I read a recent report on pakistanis(in pakistan) being polled on various issues concerning afghanistan, taliban, america…most hate america of course that’s nothing new but i’m surprised by this issue, is it only b/c the taliban are fighting american troops?
ps: i was hesitant in opening this thread, i’ll ignore the offensive comments and this was not opened to cause fights i just want to understand the thinking behind it
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
is it only b/c the taliban are fighting american troops?
not at all......its because Taliban will not be as Hostile towards pakistan as some other force.....simple as that...
also all the nutjob molvies will be sent to Afghanistan like before...:D
Pure self interest basically...
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
can one of the mods fix the title
not at all......its because Taliban will not be as Hostile towards pakistan as some other force.....simple as that... also all the nutjob molvies will be sent to Afghanistan like before...:D
Pure self interest basically...
foresight has to be there though, if the taliban take over, did the people that voted for such a situation think about how the world would be afterwards, i feel like that would be one thing that would cause a war between india and pakistan, two nuclear powers. the taliban would love that and i'm sure in some way they are linked with al qaeda, those groups are all interconnected with a link somewhere
purely thinking of the future here
and as i see it the pak taliban are the bad guys too, how are they so different from the afghan taliban?
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
foresight has to be there though, if the taliban take over, did the people that voted for such a situation think about how the world would be afterwards, i feel like that would be one thing that would cause a war between india and pakistan, two nuclear powers. the taliban would love that and i'm sure in some way they are linked with al qaeda, those groups are all interconnected with a link somewhere purely thinking of the future here and as i see it the pak taliban are the bad guys too, how are they so different from the afghan taliban?
why should our people care about the 'world'?? we got f'ed up saving the 'world' from communism.....and playing the role of mentoring the 'extremism'..all that death destruction n whatnot........??
India pakistan war can NOT be caused by anybody except the two countries themselves...
the thing fueling Taliban n Alqaeda support is the fact that they are 'fighting the invaders'.........if there are no invaders......they won't have much to fight for.... pakistani taliban also use 'america collaborater' as the principal excuse to attack pakistan..........
it is a possibility that taliban of all sorts get together in afghanistan and try to 'talibanize' pakistan.......but that is less likely as per perception here...
and if the americans leave some sort of coalition govt or structure when they leave...things wouldn't go as bad ...
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Haqqani, Hekmatyar et al. They have been our proxies since the 1980s. Hell even Ahmed Shah Masood was working with the ISI in the 1980s.
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
^ Well said.
Personally I dont support the Taliban but they are native to the region unlike the Americans. Simple fact is Pakistani's will have to live with one or the other and right now it's likely that the Taliban are not going anywhere fast...
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
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India pakistan war can NOT be caused by anybody except the two countries themselves... \
i only said that b/c i have a tiny feeling about it since j&k shares a border with afghanistan as well. already that region is messed up, if any group wanted to fuel some more tensions between the two countries that already have high tensions, including the afghan taliban, they have access to the region, that's all i was saying.
i'm just thinking ahead
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
they wont fight for j&k unless a)kashmiris want shariah b)kashmiris and or india fights them
afaik
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
i only said that b/c i have a tiny feeling about it since j&k shares a border with afghanistan as well. already that region is messed up, if any group wanted to fuel some more tensions between the two countries that already have high tensions, including the afghan taliban, they have access to the region, that's all i was saying.
i'm just thinking ahead
This the main crux of the problem with indians that they don't accept their govt treated kashmiris like $hit. I can understand that from a government propaganda minister or state run media, but this kind of thinking from indian civil society is really something else. This is not to say that extremist like jamat haven't tried to hijack the kashmir issue in the past.
I sincerely hope that pakis (be it army or civil) have grown a brain or two, and would actively work to get a broad based movement in afghanistan. No need to force education or miniskirts on the women in the south, but there should also be more tajik based alliances for the north. Ultimately, I think afghans do realize Pakistan is their Big Brother and afghanistan can only succeed on the tailcoats of a prosperous Pakistan.
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
^nnnnnyways, i really honestly for God's sake, don't want to turn this thread into the kashmir issue, forget i even mentioned the region of jammu and kashmir please, let's stay on the topic of the thread which is, why pakistanis are fine with the afghan taliban taking over afghanistan.
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
^ Fine if you say so :D As for afghanistan, a lot of Pakistanis consider taliban to be a resistance force not so much different from the mujahideen of the soviet war. A lot could be attributed to conspiracy theories, but a lot is based on facts be it the rather arrogant attitude of US with Pakistan (paki establishment is a culprit). US also isn't even willing to share coal technology with Pakistan and then there is is the whole issue of ROZs that would be much cheaper to set up than maintaining a huge force inside Afghanistan. The taliban problem needs to chipped at from different angles so it can go away.
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Poll: Majority of Pakistanis View US as Enemy
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Poll-Majority-of-Pakistanis-View-US-as-Enemy-99620719.html
A new opinion poll indicates that roughly six in 10 Pakistanis view the United States as an enemy, oppose the war in Afghanistan and are becoming less concerned about the threat of the Taliban and al-Qaida.
The survey, released by the U.S.-based Pew Research Center this week, shows that despite intense U.S. outreach and billions of dollars in aid, Pakistanis remain extremely skeptical of Washington’s intentions.
Negative image
America’s overall image remains very negative in Pakistan, says the center’s president Andrew Kohut.
“Along with the Turks and Egyptians, Pakistanis give the United States the lowest ratings of the 20 countries that we polled,'” said Kohut. “And President Obama’s famous global popularity does not extend to Pakistan. And when we ask people questions about the United States more specifically, a majority say they consider the United States an enemy of Pakistan, not an ally of Pakistan.”
**Mistrust linked to relations with India **
Kohut adds some of that mistrust stems from Washington’s close relationship with India, which 53 percent of survey respondents said is Pakistan’s biggest threat.
“The serious concerns that Pakistanis have about the United States co-exist with, and are related to, the deep worries that Pakistanis have about India. In fact, Pakistanis are more worried about the external threat of India than they are worried about the internal threat of extremist groups,” Kohut said.
History also plays a role in Washington’s troubled relationship with Islamabad.
During the 1980s, the United States worked with Pakistan to support Afghan guerilla fighters battling the Soviet army. After the Afghans successfully expelled Soviet forces, the U.S. support abruptly ended.
**Rebuilding trust **
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in a news conference Thursday that Washington is still rebuilding the trust that was lost in the years that followed.
“One of the challenges the U.S. has faced in both Afghanistan and Pakistan is that they vividly remember us walking out in 1989 and being left to deal with their own security situation on their own. The notion that, under those circumstances and not knowing whether they could count on us to be there, the notion that they would hedge in one way or another is not a surprise,” Gates said.
Washington has pledged $7.5 billion in aid to Islamabad over the next five years to try to win the support of civilians who are suspicious of the U.S. fight against militants in Pakistan, and the U.S.-led war in neighboring Afghanistan.
But despite massive amounts of foreign aid, the Pew Research poll shows only 17 percent of Pakistani respondents have a favorable view of America, and just 11 percent view it as a partner.
**Opposition to Afghan war **
Moreover, the survey shows Pakistanis widely oppose the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, and only a quarter of respondents think it would be bad for their country if the Taliban regained control of Afghanistan.
“There is a sharp decline in concern that extremists would take over the country compared to attitudes in 2009,” said Pew president Andrew Kohut. “Worries about the threat of the Taliban were less extensive, and there was much less concern about al-Qaida than there was in 2009.”
Pakistan has waged its own fight against Taliban militants who continue to carry out a wave of suicide attacks on soft targets in Pakistan. Despite military operations against Islamic extremists in Swat Valley and South Waziristan, Washington and Kabul both say Islamabad should do more to fight terrorism.
This is the poll that i was talking about
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
is it only b/c the taliban are fighting american troops?
It is false impression to say that Taliban are fighting American troops only. They are fighting EVERYONE who opposes them. Be it Afghans, Pakistanis, OR Americans.
Secondly, Pakistanis have been against America long before Taliban came into being.
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Khoji Taliban of Afghanistan are only fighting Americans they are not fighting agaianst Pakistan its TTP who is fighting against Pakistan
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
How do u know since they have harbored sectarian terrorists in afghanistan which should not be acceptable?
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
the typo title is really annoying me, why did the mods change it back to the typo one :hinna:
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
It is false impression to say that Taliban are fighting American troops only. They are fighting EVERYONE who opposes them. Be it Afghans, Pakistanis, OR Americans.
Secondly, Pakistanis have been against America long before Taliban came into being.
and pakistanis are against america b/c the united states created the taliban or is it something much earlier that i'm not seeing.
it isn't b/c americans are mostly nonmuslims fighting the muslim taliban right? i've seen muslims misquote the quran when speaking about it.
the quote was only in reference to one situation with the prophet when a small group of nonmuslims tried to attack him, but countless times, i've seen the quote being used when america is spoken about and this war against the taliban
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Haqqani, Hekmatyar et al. They have been our proxies since the 1980s. Hell even Ahmed Shah Masood was working with the ISI in the 1980s.
He soon understood the evil in that and moved away. :)
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
Taliban simply does not have the resource and strength to take over Pakistan.
re: most in pakistan are fine with taliban taking over in Afghanistan
He soon understood the evil in that and moved away. :)
Actually no. He was not given enough support and we favored Hekmatyar and Haqqani who actually did the fighting. Masood was a brilliant tactician but he won no battles because nobody supported him from even within his own country.