mosques are not mens club only

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. – On the 11th day of the recent Muslim holy month of Ramadan, in a pre-dawn lit by the moon, my mother, my niece and I walked through the front doors of our local mosque with my father, my nephew and my infant son. My stomach churning, we ascended to a hall to pray together.

Islamic teaching forbids men and women praying directly next to each other in mosques. But most American mosques have gone well beyond that simple prohibition by importing largely from Arab culture a system of separate accommodations that provides women with wholly unequal services for prayer and education. And yet, excluding women ignores the rights the prophet Muhammad gave them in the 7th century and represents “innovations” that emerged after the prophet died. I had been wrestling with these injustices for some time when I finally decided to take a stand.

I had no intention of praying right next to the men, who were seated at the front of the cavernous hall. I just wanted a place in the main prayer space. As my mother, my niece and I sat about 20 feet behind the men, a loud voice broke the quiet. “Sister, please! Please leave!” one of the mosque’s elders yelled at me.

“It is better for women upstairs.” We women were expected to enter by a rear door and pray in the balcony. If we wanted to participate in any of the activities below us, we were supposed to give a note to one of the children, who would carry it to the men in the often near-empty hall. “I will close the mosque,” he thundered. I had no idea at that moment if he would make good on his threat. But I had no doubt that our act of disobedience would soon embroil the mosque, and my family, in controversy. Nevertheless, my mind was made up.

“Thank you, brother,” I said firmly. “I’m happy praying here.”

In fact, for the first time since the start of Ramadan, I was happy in prayer. In the nearly two months since that day, I have entered the mosque through the front door and prayed in the main hall about 30 times. My battle has been rather solitary; only four women, including my sister-in-law, and three girls have joined me from time to time. And yet I feel victorious.

I had tried to accept the status quo through the first days of Ramadan, praying silently upstairs, listening to sermons addressed only to “brothers.” After so many years away, I felt I would be like an interloper if I protested. But my sense of subjugation interrupted my prayer each time I touched my forehead to the carpet. I lay in bed each night despising the men who had ordered me to use the mosque’s rear entrance. “Your anger reveals a deeper pain,” my friend Alan Godlas, a professor of religious studies at the University of Georgia, told me when I described the conflict I felt.

It was true. I had witnessed the marginalization of women in many parts of Muslim society. They more aptly reflect the age of ignorance, or Jahiliya, in pre-Islamic Arabia. “Women’s present marginalization in the mosque is a betrayal of what Islam had promised women and [what] was realized in the early centuries,” says Asma Afsaruddin, a professor of Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Notre Dame.

And that marginalization seems, if anything, to be worsening. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, has concluded, based on a 2000 survey, that “the practice of having women pray behind a curtain or in another room is becoming more widespread” in this country. In 2000, women at 66 percent of the U.S. mosques surveyed prayed behind a curtain or partition or in another room, compared with 52 percent in 1994, according to the survey of leaders of 416 mosques nationwide.

And yet, notes Daisy Khan, executive director of ASMA Society, an American Muslim organization, “The mosque is a place of learning. . . . If men prevent women from learning, how will they answer to God?”
The mosque was not a men’s club when the prophet Muhammad built an Islamic ummah, or “community.” Nothing in the Koran restricts a woman’s access to a mosque, and the prophet told men: “Do not stop the female servants of Allah from attending the mosques of Allah.”

The prophet himself prayed with women. And when he heard that some men positioned themselves in the mosque to be closer to an attractive woman, his solution wasn’t to ban women but to admonish the men. In Medina, during the prophet’s time and for some years thereafter, women prayed in the prophet’s mosque without any partition between them and the men. Historians record women’s presence in the mosque and participation in education, in political and literary debates, in asking questions of the prophet after his sermons, in transmitting religious knowledge and in providing social services. After the prophet’s death, his wife Aisha related anecdotes about his life to scribes in the mosque. And Abdullah bin Umar, a leading companion of the Prophet and a son of Omar bin al-Khattab, the second caliph, or leader of Islam, reprimanded his son for trying to prevent women from going to the mosque. “By the third century of Islam, many [women’s] rights slowly began to be whittled away as earlier Near Eastern . . . notions of female propriety and seclusion began to take hold,” said Afsaruddin.

The Fiqh Council of North America, which issues legal rulings for the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), supports women’s rights in the mosque. “It is perfectly Islamic to hold meetings of men and women inside the masjid,” the mosque, says Muzammil H. Siddiqi, a Fiqh Council member. He adds that this is true “whether for prayers or for any other Islamic purpose, without separating them with a curtain, partition or wall.”

All too often, however, the mosque in America “is a men’s club where women and children aren’t welcome,” said Ingrid Mattson, an Islamic scholar at the Hartford Seminary and an ISNA vice president.

One of the issues working against American Muslim women – an issue not much discussed outside the Muslim community – is the de facto takeover of many U.S. mosques by conservative and traditionalist Muslims, many from the Arab world. Most of these are immigrants, many of them students, who follow the strict Wahhabi and Salafi schools of Islam, which largely exclude women from public spaces. They stack our mosque library with books printed by the government of Saudi Arabia, where Wahhabi teachings reign. Here in Morgantown, students from Saudi Arabia and Egypt, mostly male and conservative, were virtually nonexistent 10 years ago. More precisely, there were three. Today there are 55, and their wives regularly glide through the local Wal-Mart wearing black abayas, or gowns. (Ironically, the Saudi government says that partitions and separate rooms aren’t required in mosques.)

Sadly, the students’ presence emboldens (or in some places cows) American mosque leaders, many of whom try to rationalize the discrimination against women through a hadith, a saying of the prophet: “Do not prevent your women from (going to) the mosques, though their houses are best for them.” But scholars consider this an allowance, not a restriction. The prophet made the statement after women complained when he said Muslims get 27 times more blessings when praying at the mosque.

Much of this discrimination is also practiced in the name of “protecting” women. If women and men are allowed to mix, the argument goes, the mosque will become a sexually charged place, dangerous for women and distracting to men. In our mosque, only the men are allowed to use a microphone to address the faithful. When I asked why, a mosque leader declared, “A woman’s voice is not to be heard in the mosque.” What he meant was that a woman’s voice – even raised in prayer – is an instrument of sexual provocation to men. Many women accept these rulings; their apathy makes these rules the status quo.

I am heartened that some Muslim men are fighting for women’s rights. On that 11th day of Ramadan last month, when I made clear that I would pray in the main hall, my 70-year-old father stood by me as a mosque elder said to him, “There will be no praying until she leaves.”

“She is doing nothing wrong,” my father insisted. “If you have an issue, talk to her.” Four men bounded toward me. “Sister, please! We ask you in the spirit of Ramadan, leave. We cannot pray if you are here.” But my answer was: I have prayed like this from Mecca to Jerusalem. It is legal within Islam, I said. I remained firm.
The next day, the mosque’s all-male board voted to make the main hall and front door accessible solely by men. My father dissented. Mosque leaders have not prevented me from worshiping in the main hall while the decision receives an internal legal review. “Grin and bear it. It will change one day,” one American Muslim leader suggested to me. A woman in my mosque pleaded with me not to talk about any of this publicly. But gentle ways protect gender apartheid in our mosques, and we do no one a service by allowing it to continue, least of all the Muslim community. So I have filed a complaint against my mosque with CAIR, whose mandate is to protect Muslim civil rights.

After one of the final nights of Ramadan, considered a “night of power,” my father gave me an early eidie, a gift elders give on Eid, the festival that marks the end of the holy month. He handed me a copy of the key to the mosque’s front door, sold the night before at a fundraiser. I traced the key’s edge with my thumb and put it on my Statue of Liberty key chain, because it is here in America that Muslims can truly liberate mosques from cultural traditions that belie Islam’s teachings.

“Praise be to Allah,” my father told me. “Allah has given you the power to make change.”

I rattled the keys in front of my son, who reached out for them, and I said to him, “Shibli, we’ve got the keys to the mosque. We’ve got the keys to a better world.”

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wow. i've noticed this trend too.

Her religious advisor is a non-Muslim, her spiritual advisor is a lady named Ingrid Mattson and she uses the names of the noble Khalifas and Sahabas like they were her close buddies…

I expect nothing less then this drivel coming from such an ‘enlightened’ woman…:mash:

what makes you call this “drivel”? what do you disagree with?

what a sad state of affairs for the muslim world right now :bummer:

Almost everything…

First of all she is bringing in what the Holy Prophet :saw: said without any proofs…Where’d she come up with the fact that men and women used to pray in the Masjid side by side? I don;t even remember the Prophet :saw:'s wives ever doing that…Where’d she come up with this notion of 'praying without a partition? She even uses the Prophet :saw: like she grew up with him…Where’d she come up with the notion that women have to sit between men to learn anything in the Masjid?

She is the type of Muslimah that all true Muslims fear…Not because she will have ‘equal rights’, or be ‘liberated’ and put men to shame or have ‘freedom of speech’, but fear because she will not be driven to greatness and achievement for the sake of Islam, but be driven by ‘western’ standards and personal ego agendas, having nothing to do with our faith at all…

There is a reason for segregation…The reason is equal rights, for after all, if there was no segregation, there wouldn’t be any equal rights now, would there? The tasks of men and women vary…Men are the bread earners and the women are the nurturers…That’s why man was made bigger and stronger to handle the protection and labour of driving a family and women were made soft and delicate to nurture and raise the family…Only constantly unhappy women like these will find issues to be unhappy about and bicker and argue…They will always remain unhappy coz they are never satisfied with anything…

I dont understand how praying in a separate area makes her feel any inferior. Its like she wants to pick a fight for no reason. Some people have that sort of itch, to do something which'll get them a bit o fame. And what could be better than fighting for her rights in islam which the man has taken away from her.

Men and women both pray in separate areas in many mosques. If she feels inferior, the guys should feel just as inferior (oooh.. i feel so inferior, i cant pray standing on the balcony with the nice view and the lush carpets..).

Even though it is ok for them to pray in the same area, making an issue over it in the manner she has done shows her insincerity.

Lajawab --

i don't see where she indicates that the Prophet (s.a.w) prayed with women side by side. nor does she indicate that she intended to pray side by side with men. she was praying behind them at a distance. i don't think this is forbidden.

you're right. she needs much better documentation for her sources. however, the issues she brings up are important. too often the heads of mosques dismiss women from prayer halls. it's happened to plenty of women i know. the women's areas tend to be small, out of the way rooms, and there often isn't space for the women. this type of treatment does not exist everywhere, mashAllah, however when it happens it sends a very clear message to the women.

another issue is when people are speaking over the microphone and addressing only "brothers" or responding to the questions that the brothers in front of them have. they never see the hands of the women who may also have concerns. masjids need to implement some sort of system that allows for the multiple voices of both genders to be heard.

also, not all men are big and strong, and not all women are soft and delicate. i don't think that you can make such generalizations.

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I got this picture from islamica.com…Although the picture is portrayed as something funny but the message behind it is not…

This is exactly what happens in the apartment that we use for a Masjid where a hundred brothers are jammed and crammed into a single bedroom apartment for Jummah…Where would the sisters sit?

Anyways, whatever can be learned about a Khutba can easily be learned from a husband who attends the Masjid if the situation is as dire as ours…

Women have the added advantage of having their prayers accepted at home as well as the men, but the Sawab for men decreases a lot if they pray at home…So it’s our loss if we don’t go to the Masjid and you talk about equal rights…

And the woman if she is truly a Muslim and eager to learn and become a good Muslimah, she doesn;t need to resort to the methods against Islam which this lady highlights…If there is a section for women, why do you have to pray with the men? This lady has nothing better to do except create dissent and be miserable…If she is as good a Muslimah as she portrays herself to be, she should sit in the women’s section and gain knowledge from there instead of acting so stupid…

As for women wanting to have their problems heard about the Deen, there is nothing that says that she can’t…She can well have her questions answered or whatever query she might have…

Bringing out imaginary problems like, ‘what if this happens and what if that happens’…A million problems can be unearthed and there would be no end in sight to dissent and problems we can come across and we would be no less than Jews and Judaism…

We should be happy with whatever we have been told to observe by the Prophet :saw:, otherwise we will be perpetually unhappy like this lady…

Perhaps tomorrow you will suport her in having a lady lead the Salat…Like I said, questions and issues know no bounds and we only dig a deeper pit for us to fall into with this lady’s mentality…

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ASMA stands for American Sufi Muslim Association

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Dr. Godlas has conducted extensive research in manuscript libraries in Egypt, Morocco, and Turkey. His areas of research include Qur’anic commentary (tafsir), hadith, Islamic mysticism (also known as Sufism) and consciousness transformation, and the relationship between Islam, modernism, and postmodernism. The Islamic texts that he studies are primarily in Arabic, Persian, and Turkish. A final area of his research is the development of a disciplinary framework for the study of religion.

His professional experience includes being on the editorial boards of both** Fons Vitae press and the journal, Sufi Illuminations, and being a member of the steering committee of the Study of Mysticism and Study of Islam sections of the American Academy of Religion.** Dr. Godlas was granted a National Endowment to the Humanities fellowship for the study of mysticism with Professor Huston Smith in 1993. In the Summer of 1997, Dr. Godlas received a Fulbright-Hayes fellowship for study in Uzbekistan. Dr. Godlas is most well-known for his Islamic Studies and Sufism websites, which are the foremost comprehensive academic websites for the study of Islam and Sufism on the entire worldwide web.

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Whats wrong with praying at home? (note:asking a legit question to banish my ignorance in this matter).

I am going to disagree with the masses here and state that I think what she did was wonderful, and took a lot of courage. Its something I myself would like to do, but dont have the courage to do so.

I can also bring the several proofs (non-sufi, as I am not sufi either) people here are asking for regarding women not being behind a curtain in the time of the Prophet(SAW). People seriously need to educate themselves on what Islam says (including myself).

At the time of the Prophet(SAW) women prayed behind the men, WITHOUT a barrier between them. What happened was that women would be in the back but everyone could see and hear the Prophet(SAW). Not only that, but as soon as prayers were over, the Prophet(SAW) would wait a little while to get up, so that the women in the back could leave. It is after that the men would get up and leave. This was the practise back then, and I find it sad that there is so much segregation now.

Its very distracting when you cant even see the speaker and you have to look at a curtain infront of you. Not only that, a lot of women start chatting because they know they are behind a veil and know the imam cant see them chatting away. I had to go outside of the Eid tent on Eid just to hear what the Khutbah was because inside it all you heard was womens chatter. There are also many other reasons for women still remaining in visual distance of the imam and even of the men, which I wont go into here. I will just say to think about Eid prayer. The other thing is, all the good books are in the mens section usually. The womans side just gets ignored in several of the masjids I have been in. Out of sight, out of mind. sigh

It is astonishing to me that some guys will tell me that well, men were different then, so now there needs to be a partition. Men were no different then than they are now.

Lajawab, that picture you showed, that doesnt happen in most masjids that women attend. We are talking about masjids built for hundreds to come into and pray.

Feel free to disagree with me, as I am sure many of you will, but I stand my ground. Thanks.

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I am going to disagree with the masses here and state that I think what she did was wonderful, and took a lot of courage. Its something I myself would like to do, but dont have the courage to do so.

I can also bring the several proofs (non-sufi, as I am not sufi either) people here are asking for regarding women not being behind a curtain in the time of the Prophet(SAW). People seriously need to educate themselves on what Islam says (including myself).

At the time of the Prophet(SAW) women prayed behind the men, WITHOUT a barrier between them. What happened was that women would be in the back but everyone could see and hear the Prophet(SAW). Not only that, but as soon as prayers were over, the Prophet(SAW) would wait a little while to get up, so that the women in the back could leave. It is after that the men would get up and leave. This was the practise back then, and I find it sad that there is so much segregation now.

Its very distracting when you cant even see the speaker and you have to look at a curtain infront of you. Not only that, a lot of women start chatting because they know they are behind a veil and know the imam cant see them chatting away. I had to go outside of the Eid tent on Eid just to hear what the Khutbah was because inside it all you heard was womens chatter. There are also many other reasons for women still remaining in visual distance of the imam and even of the men, which I wont go into here. I will just say to think about Eid prayer. The other thing is, all the good books are in the mens section usually. The womans side just gets ignored in several of the masjids I have been in. Out of sight, out of mind. sigh

It is astonishing to me that some guys will tell me that well, men were different then, so now there needs to be a partition. Men were no different then than they are now.

Lajawab, that picture you showed, that doesnt happen in most masjids that women attend. We are talking about masjids built for hundreds to come into and pray.

Feel free to disagree with me, as I am sure many of you will, but I stand my ground. Thanks.
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Munni, I agree with you. I think perhaps in this article she comes off disrespectful, and she should definitely bring the Hadith and Quranic verses as support for her statement, but I also think that some reforms need to be made. I especially agree with your point about the chatting during khutba.

Lajawab: no one said anything about women wanting to lead prayer, etc. A woman's prayer is no less than a man's, and progress should be made in making mosque's more open for women. How can this be done if women don't raise their concerns? As for a woman's husband just telling her what the khutba is about, I think that wouldn't suffice because the man would not be able to replicate the khutba. People naturally abridge, interpret, and modify when they retell something. Why can't the woman get it firsthand?
Also, I understand your point that men are required to come to the masjid -- but that doesn't mean that we should settle, and make it so masjids are not open to women. We should work toward making them more accomodating for anyone who wishes to join the prayer.

No! you guys are as usual twisting her words to suit your own perverted BS

She said she got sick not being able to hear a damn thing and the shoddy conditions in the women section. and this was her reason for doing what she did. ..to well pretty much become closer to Islam and be able to hear what the hell the Imam was saying!?

And this is wrong!? how? Up and away from sight and sound and having to send a kid with a hand written note just to be able to participate at all!?

wtf is that!?

I don't expect any men to get it.. God forbid women (and children for that matter) should have a voice and thoughts of thier own!

When Allah Himself has given us all eyes, ears and tongues and a mind

... to see, hear, speak and think for ourselves...

what gives any of His creations the right to

to stop women and children from using their God given freedom?!

Even the angels were ordered to respect us!! and His decision for creating us as He did!

It isn’t distracting when you “can’t even see the speaker”, many men have to look at a wall or barrier during the khutbah in many masajids, they aren’t distracted and neither do they start chatting because “they know they are behind a veil and know the imam cant see them chatting away”. It’s the women’s fault since they are unaware of the importance on being silent during khutbah.

I am not against women praying in the masajid “behind the men WITHOUT a barrier between them”, like how it was at the time of the Prophet SAW, as long as everything else is also done according to what was practiced then. But if the women come to the masajid with the intent to socialize and chat, wearing perfume and not dressing modestly, then in my opinion its better for them to be behind a barrier. Allah o 3alam

Everybody should attend the Masjid prayers, including women, provided they are properly covered. The Messenger of Allah said: “Prevent not the women servants of Allah, from going to the Masjid of Allah.” However, when they attend the Masjid they should wear no perfume, nor raise their voices, and or show their beauty. Allah (SWT) states: “…they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof…” (Al-Qur’an, 24:31)

What ordinarily appears, refers to the outer garments, for when the Messenger (saas) commanded women to attend Eid prayer, Umm 'Atiyah (raa) said: “O Messenger of Allah, some of us do not have the outer garment (jilbab). The Messenger of Allah told her to let a sister (who has more than one) give her one to wear.” (Agreed upon)

It is Sunnah that they pray behind the men in the rear lines. The Messenger has been reported as saying: "The best lines for men are the front lines and the worst lines for men are the rear lines. The best lines for women is the rear and the worst lines of women are the front line. (Muslim)

The women should leave the Masjid as soon as the Imam says: As-Salaamu 'Alaikum. They should not delay without a valid reason. In a hadith by Umm Salmah, she said: “When the Messenger of Allah (saas) saluted to end prayer, the women would stand up to leave and the Messenger would remain in his place for a while.” Umm Salmah (raa) said: Allah is the best knower, but perhaps the Messenger did that so women would leave before men could overtake them". (Bukhari)

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yeah i dont think theres anything wrong if the women are praying behind the men, once i did that myself but found that the men usually after prayers turn around maybe not on purpose but its not something alot of women would want

its so much nicer having a seperate women's place though, where you can completely relax, sit in whatever position u want to etc etc

but munni what the women did was wrong, its totally forbidden to even admonish another person who is talking whilst a qhutba - so u can c how important it is to stay silent

Different, it is distracting for me that I have to look at a curtain. But thats me, perhaps not others. You have no idea how many girls I know dont go for Eid prayers because of the fact they can never hear the khutbah year after year.

As I stated, I prefer how it was done at the time of the Prophet(SAW). To me, that was an example set for all time, again, my opinion. And there are masjids that do this in this day and age.

Xara, I agree that the woman could have gone about it in a better way.

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This is my town....and that is our mosque being mentioned over there. I know what kind of a lady she is....but discussing her private life...would serve no good over here.

I was rite there when the whole incident happened. The ladies name is Asra Nomani...and her dad is the member of the board of governers of the local Islamic Community.

What pisses me off is why is she having a problem praying...upstairs. What ever activitiy goes on in the main prayer hall...the women are free to take part. And that day....during taraweeh, when she first came down, she created such a big fight. Her dad was taking her side.....and although wanted her to go upstairs but she would'nt go...And no...no one threatened to shut down the mosque. All he said there wont be any Salah until she leaves...later he cooled down, when they found out the lady was so DHEET.

And now she continues to pray....and what we see, as the main hall gets more and more crowded especially during Jumma prayer, she is praying in the same row as the men. During Khutbah she is found sitting just abt in the middle of the hall....with men around her. This is not allowed.

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I am going to disagree with the masses here and state that I think what she did was wonderful, and took a lot of courage. Its something I myself would like to do, but dont have the courage to do so.

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Oh yeah???

Creating a fuss in the society...is that what you call wonderful??
Making people fight against each other.....u were'nt their when her dad was crying....I saw him cry, and that day i felt sorry for him.

You dont know what happened....and what kind of a problem we had at our hands, it had hardly been a week the mosque had been opened, and we had a situation at our hands.

And the womens prayer hall...its actually a balcony...and its so wonderfuly located, they can look down and see whats happening. And ots so near....we can actually hear the women when they talk so...not being able to hear the khutbah is not the issue.

Damm...and i thought the Satan was trapped was tied down during Ramadan.