Sharaabi- You say bringing up this woman's private life would not serve a purpose.. yet then you go and post her full name!? What purpose does that serve? Is that not violating her privacy?
What is the point of making this whole thread a criticisim of this woman?
Obviously the woman was upset.. and perhaps she did not take the best actions given the situation..and her (implied) motivations ( on your part) only God knows what her deal is.
However the situation that provoked her is a very valid one. Women have indeed been silenced and hidden away in 'Islamic " Society and this is absolutely wrong! and the women's section in most mosques is really lousy!
It really disgusts me whenever someone brings up an issue or topic for discussion instead of it becoming a chance for a constructive conversation it just becomes another excuse for everyone to start criticsizing and arguing with each other .. which never leads to anything worthwhile ..period.
There's your Shaitan for you!
This problem in the mosque does indeed exist.. and the women have a right to be really furious over this.. the hypocrisy in 'Islamic ' communities of this sort is something of great disgust! At least acknowledge that it exists! And this incident certainly brings it to light.
So how about making this a constructive discussion from here on..
First lets forget about this woman.
What would have been a better way to handle this sort of problem? .. that women are facing in ..pretty much every mosque I've ever seen so far!
What kind of positive efforts have been made in other areas? How were the changes brought about? How have they improved the sense of community and atmosphere ? What still needs to be done? etc
Creating a fuss in the society...is that what you call wonderful??
Making people fight against each other.....u were'nt their when her dad was crying....I saw him cry, and that day i felt sorry for him.
You dont know what happened....and what kind of a problem we had at our hands, it had hardly been a week the mosque had been opened, and we had a situation at our hands.
And the womens prayer hall...its actually a balcony...and its so wonderfuly located, they can look down and see whats happening. And ots so near....we can actually hear the women when they talk so...not being able to hear the khutbah is not the issue.
Damm...and i thought the Satan was trapped was tied down during Ramadan.
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I dont know the situation at the womans masjid, I think I was pretty clear in stating that she could have gone about it in a manner more befitting, and I also clearly stated that I would like things to be as they were in the Prophets (SAW) time. Just wanted to clarify. Feel free to disagree with me, as it is an opinion.
The people who are taking this lady’s side have not the slightest clue what injunctions are there as far as Namaz in the Masjid is concerned regarding men and women…They are only taking her side because ‘it is unfair’…
The matter is not about unfair or fair, it’s about following the commands and tenets laid down by Allah :swt: and explained by the Holy Prophet :saw:…
If tomorrow she says women should have a Masjid exclusively for themselves, the same peole here siding with this lady would side with her once again, throwing the commands and tenets of Allah :swt: in the trash and standing up for ‘fairness’, creating more fitnah…Who cares if the women can pray at home, or there can be no Masjid exclusively for women, who cares if Allah :swt: made the Masajids for men and and women separate, fairness dictates that a Masjid exclusively for women be made with its Imam a woman too…Who cares if an Imam can’t be a woman, it’ fair…
This lady is doing nothing more than creating fitnah, as today she wishes
to pray between men, tomorrow she would want to lead the prayers, and no doubt many here would gladly follow her in prayer because it’s ‘fair’…Heck with the laws that have been perscribed, let’s do what ‘WE’ think is fair according to us…
If ‘fairness’ means breaking the commands of Allah :swt: and His messenger, then it’s nothing more than Bid’aa and Bid’aa is Hellfire…There is your ‘fairness’ now…
Lajawab, I dont know if I was included in your statement above, but I shall clarify further, incase I was.
I support this womans stance to call for change. Not the manner in which she is doing it, nor the fact that she is praying in between men (as that is not the sunnah). And it is wrong to assume that those of us who support her standing up, are not educated ourselves in these things. That is an incorrect assumption/generalization. I can bring supporting evidence for everything I have said, from Qur’an and Sunnah.
The fact remains that there is little turn-out at masjids in this day and age by women whereas in the Prophets(SAW) time there was a large turn-out. It’s because a lot of womens issues are ignored in the masjid, and by imams. Some of my dear friends are imams of masjids in other cities, and I can tell you, when I first started talking to them, they were clueless as to issues I raised to them about things that I thought were rather simple, regarding women, and the womens section of prayer. I dont even want to mention the rather humiliating experience I had at Faisal masjid while in the middle of my prayer in Pakistan, all because I was a girl. sigh
I want to be able to worship and listen to a khutbah in the masjid, just like the men do, and I dont need to be standing in line with the men to do it. But I shouldnt have to be forced to be high up on some closed-off balcony where I can barely hear the khutbah, because that to me is unfair. Allah knows how many times my mother has had to stand up and tell the women she cant hear what the imam is saying while the khutbah is going on. (I dont have the courage to do so.) And as I stated, there are many majids that dont do this, and have the women and men pray in the same prayer hall. (Too far from my house or I’d go.)
I am not saying a woman is required to go to the masjid either, as I am well aware she can pray at home, and its encouraged to do so, but she should feel as much peace and contentment at the masjid as she does at home, in her worship.
I have no problems with masjids that create this curtain or balcony divison, I am not saying its unequal for them to do that. I understand many women like this division. I am saying that I should be allowed to pray without having to go through a maze to get to my prayer place, I should be able to have equal access to the imam in terms of hearing him and gaining his attention. Do you think that women did not ask the Prophet(SAW) questions after the prayers? How can a woman do that from on top of a balcony? And I do believe it is wrong to say that what the Prophet(SAW) practiced then is inappropriate now. My opinion, feel free to disagree.
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And now she continues to pray....and what we see, as the main hall gets more and more crowded especially during Jumma prayer, she is praying in the same row as the men. During Khutbah she is found sitting just abt in the middle of the hall....with men around her. This is not allowed.
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what shes doing is totally wrong, i am completely fine with the view that women can pray behind the men in the same hall etc but if this woman is going too far
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So how about making this a constructive discussion from here on..
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if she really wanted to do something constructive there were many ways instead of disturbing so many ppl and on top of that publicising the whole event, which gives a really bad image of Islam and of muslims on a whole
you mentioned some of these concerns before. what makes you jump to this conclusion about those people who agree with the points she raises? and about the woman herself? i don’t follow your logic.
If she insists on sitting with the men because she cant hear, why cant the mosque just use a microphone and loud speakers, just like they do in most mosques.
If the womens area is so disruptive then why dosent she advice her fellow sisters.
This woman is making a mountain out of a small problem.