Yes they did. But others who use this example to defame Islam make it worse. Because you accept the paradigm in which they define us. You will notice while others here made the obvious connection that this does not involve religion at all, you did. That is the problem.
As for fixing. My duty is not to tell the paradigm you agree with to define my life. I was in New York when the cartoons came out in Denmark and I saw first hand how the EU diplomats refused to have any discussions with any Muslim Ambassador even Turkey and Jordan on the matter. They openly stated that they have nothing to discuss with us to defuse the situation.
Since that time i do not let a bunch of white **** ups define me and my religion. Sadly that is not the case with most Muslims in the west.
My job is to inform these idiots that I do not represent my faith. I do not represent 1 billion people and if that is how the west wishes to define us, they can start with apologizing for colonialism, the genocide in Algeria and so much more. After that we talk.
Its sad to see the Uncle Tom mentality amongst the Muslim community in the West.
True said brother! Allah(SWT) and his Messenger (saw) already warned us of how Muslims will be deceived so easily........ what's worse it they're inviting others to this thinking!!!!
anyway, this guy doesn't represent us Muslims, whatever the enemies of Islam want to say, we don't have to conform!
Re: Moronic Mindless People, giving Islam a bad name.
you can bury your head all you want in refusing to acknowledge reality - when anyone from an islamic country does something as moronic as this in a airliner and that too in the USA after 9/11, if anybody thinks people are not going to drag Islam into it, they are just not being realistic.
The white man did not define that 'paradigm' as you call it - it was defined so by a bunch of muslims called taleban & al qaeda led by an arab by name osama bin laden.
Why would the European officials not refuse to talk to you when their cities were threatened with horrific violence because of some cartoons?
Re: Moronic Mindless People, giving Islam a bad name.
Snookums Mandela was defined by the paradigm as a terrorist by the Apartheid Regime in South Africa and a good portion of the world for some time.
The ANC did not allow the Apartheid regime to define the manner in which they were identified.
That is my basic point and that is the reason Muslims are getting walked over. The idea is not to be on the defensive because we have done nothing wrong.
Re: Moronic Mindless People, giving Islam a bad name.
^ the two situations do not compare at all. Mandela was fighting evil called aparthied and the world knew the rightness of that cause. In the case of osama brand of terrorism, the world is quite confident that his cause is not right.
the point and problem here is that he has successfully managed to link his terrorism to his religion - by you refusing to acknowledging that does not make it disappear. Perception is reality!
The idea is not to be on the defensive because we have done nothing wrong.
This is the classic case of 'denial is worst than the crime'. Saying things like such or taking the other stance that 'oh those who have done wrong do not represent Muslims' is not going to solve the problem, cause if it could have than the problem would be solved by now.
Re: Moronic Mindless People, giving Islam a bad name.
Aimless you are either very young or very naive. Read up on this history of the ANC and who actually provided them support.
TLK where is their denial. I am not denying there are Taliban or that they abuse my faith to do their dastardly deeds. However they do not represent Islam just as I don't. No one human being has the moral or religious authority to represent Islam. That is why we don't have a system same to the catholic church.
Oh and what is going to solve the problem take? Taking every negative action taken by a Muslim as part of Islam?
Someone has to represent or these morons will get all the attention. You think KKK represents/represented all white christian Americans? No, right? Though they claimed it but the White christian America not only denounced them but in fact they’ve been declared a terrorist organization by many authorities and governing bodies of USA.
If majority of the Muslims dont stand up against such elements (talibans and al-qaeda) then the minority is going to represent the majority in front of the world.
Damn Elephant. He needs to be deported back to Africa.
Re: Moronic Mindless People, giving Islam a bad name.
all satire aside, don't you think if the elephant news is true, at least for a little while, people across the country will be more cautious around elephants? if the other elephants cry foul that it is unfair, will you unhesitatingly let your toddler go near another elephant immediately after the news?
It will take time to forget and forgive. And during that process every little thing such as an elephant breaking a fence or making a loud noise will make the process of healing just that much longer and difficulter!
Someone has to represent or these morons will get all the attention. You think KKK represents/represented all white christian Americans? No, right? Though they claimed it but the White christian America not only denounced them but in fact they've been declared a terrorist organization by many authorities and governing bodies of USA.
If majority of the Muslims dont stand up against such elements (talibans and al-qaeda) then the minority is going to represent the majority in front of the world.
But do you see Christians allowing themselves to be defined by the KKK and what others think?
The answer is a two letter word.
I swear where do you people come up with such comments. The majority of Muslims do not stand up to the taliban and Al-Qaeda? Since bloody when? You will notice those on this forum who are patriotic Pakistanis do openly condemn them. In Pakistan the sentiments are very obvious as they are in Afghanistan and all the way in Darfur Sudan.
I find odd that so many of you post on the taliban but are yet so out of touch with what the people in the Muslim world feel or support.
But do you see Christians allowing themselves to be defined by the KKK and what others think?
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There is no comparison between the modern day European Christians and the uncouth tribals from Middle east.
Modern day Christians do not believe in, or at least do not practice Christian Ammah ooops Ummah.
but
Modern day Muslims do.
Modern day Christians do not burn down Pakistani embassies just because a Pakistani Mullah said semething like Bible is corrupted.
Modern day Muslims do.
Thus by defending this Qatri tribal and other uncouth behaviors, certain people are further maligning Muslims. And that's the deficit of brain power that many Islamists lack these days.
Unfortunately these so called defenders are trying to hide behind this Khus ki tutti just remember the old Urdu adage "Tutti ki arrr main shikar khailna".
I swear where do you people come up with such comments. The majority of Muslims do not stand up to the taliban and Al-Qaeda? Since bloody when? You will notice those on this forum who are patriotic Pakistanis do openly condemn them. In Pakistan the sentiments are very obvious as they are in Afghanistan and all the way in Darfur Sudan.
Point is my cool headed friend .. its not about general Muslim population but we need to condemn such acts at higher levels. We need our Muslim leaders (real Muslim leaders and not American path'thoo as Zardari) going public and denouncing these groups (Taliban and Al-Qaeda). I have not seen many denouncing them by their name, off course every one will say that terrorism is wrong .. but why cant we have top Muslim scholars saying that Al-Qaeda is not a Muslim organization or Islam has nothing to do with such people like Osama.
Just because you don’t read about it on ABC does not mean it is not occuring. In the past 2 weeks I found these many articles where scholars have denounced Al Qaeda and the terrorists.
But do you see Christians allowing themselves to be defined by the KKK and what others think?
The answer is a two letter word.
The KKK / Al Qaeda parallel is apt I think. However unfortunately the Muslim world has allowed themselves to be defined by their KKK. That is the difference. You are right to get angry about it but that's what has happened.
The reluctance in some cases, slowness in others, to condemn and capture the Al Qaeda and Taleban etc by number of principal Muslim countries is what led to the lack of trust when such condemnation comes ultimately.
Regardless of why it happened, given that it has happened, the whole Muslim world has to dig its way out. As that happens, incidents such as the qatarian idiot simply makes the process more difficult than it has to be.
Sometimes it is easier to alter reality than it is to change perceptions!
We were talking about a Qatri diplomat of third rate mentality behaving $tupidly in an airplane bathroom, and you drop poor Iranians and their veils like a brick.
And then you italicize the lie/truth.
So what is lie about this brain-dead’s shenanigans in the airplane bathroom?