More Turmoil Ahead

The following is from McClatchly, as good as source as one can expect.
With elections nearing there has been no action on the part of Mushy and his lackies to ensure free or fair elections. A rigged election is now widely expected. Consering this is as a foregone conclusion:
What comes next?
Is it civil war to oust Mushy and co.?
Is there hope for stability anywhere?
My assessment is that after the rigged elections there will be a period of extreme instability when Mush and co. try holding on to power. In this time period there is a risk of a civil war like situation, especially in Karachi. Moving forward the only logical possability is another military intervention.
Should the military intervene in favor of Musharraf and co. the country is likely to fragment with wide scale civil war.
Should the military do the sane thing and have actual fair elections the situation may be salgavable.
Either way the future looks dark.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080205/wl_mcclatchy/2839707_1
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — Less than two weeks before this country’s crucial Feb. 18 elections, the man who supplanted slain opposition leader Benazir Bhutto as Pakistan’s most widely known politician has left the country
It’s a peculiar absence in the middle of a political campaign, but one that reflects a growing belief that the upcoming election likely will be plagued by widespread vote rigging and fraud.
Nawaz Sharif , a two-time former prime minister, went to the United Arab Emirates this week, apparently to be with his wife as she underwent surgery in Dubai . The chairman of Sharif’s political party, Raja Zafar -ul-Haq, downplayed the importance of any campaign at this point anyway.
“There will be vast rigging,” Zafar-ul-Haq said. “I think there will be chaos, a serious public reaction afterward.”
In Dubai , Sharif told reporters that he expected the vote to be “a farce” and holds no hope for a free and fair vote.
Sharif, 58, is the politician with the highest stature in Pakistan following the assassination in late December of Bhutto, with whom he alternated terms as prime minister during much of the 1990s.
He’s a bitter adversary of President Pervez Musharraf , who toppled him from power eight years ago and later threw him in jail. U.S. officials have cited Musharraf repeatedly in recent months as “indispensable” in the global fight against Islamic terrorism.
Analysts say Sharif expects post-election tumult to force Musharraf from power and a period of political confusion to ensue.
“He’s not banking on this election,” said Zahid Hussain , a journalist and author of Frontline Pakistan: The Struggle with Militant Islam. “He’s trying to create conditions for Musharraf to leave power. That’s his main objective. He feels another election will take place soon, maybe within six months or a year’s time.”
Sharif’s and Musharraf’s distaste for one another dates to Sharif’s last period as prime minister, which lasted from Feb. 17, 1997 , until Oct. 12, 1999 , when he was overthrown.
Sharif had tried to avert the coup by blocking an airliner carrying Musharraf, then the army commander, from landing at Karachi airport on its return from Sri Lanka . But the airliner landed anyway, and Musharraf and his army followers succeeded in toppling Sharif, immediately throwing him in jail.
Courts handed Sharif a life sentence for conspiracy to hijack an airliner. He later was allowed to flee with his family to exile in Saudi Arabia . The court barred him from politics for a decade.
Sharif’s supporters say the legal bar eventually will be overturned in court because Sharif is the only person convicted of taking part in the conspiracy.
“For a conspiracy, you can’t just have one person. It’s a legal joke,” said Zafar-ul-Haq.
In one of the few recent interviews he’s given during the campaign, Sharif told Dawn Television this week that Musharraf’s political party, the PML-Q League , will win almost no support at the polls.
“There’s not one iota of doubt in my mind that Musharraf will not win the election,” Sharif said, adding that he’d “be surprised if it gets more than two percent of the vote.”
Sharif’s lowballing of the Q League’s chances in the election may be because Bhutto’s People’s Party may reap a large sympathy vote and his own party may not do so well, some observers say. Like other politicians, Sharif is limiting campaign activity out of rational fear they may be targets of political violence or terrorism.
In an image-buffing trip to Europe late last month, Musharraf pledged that the country would enjoy free, fair and peaceful elections. He warned, though, that difficulties might occur if political parties don’t accept the results.
Pollsters say that food and energy shortages, combined with rising terrorism, have made Musharraf unpopular. A Gallup Poll conducted in December, before the
Bhutto assassination on Dec. 27 , found that 68 percent of voters wanted Musharraf to step down.
The same Gallup poll also helps explain the national gloom that has cloaked the country despite the prospect of elections. The poll found that only 15 percent of voters expect the vote to be free and fair, while 53 percent said it would be rigged. The rest could not give a definite answer.
“I’ve never seen such a lackluster campaign,” said Hussain, the journalist. “It’s really clear that people don’t trust the elections. The death of Benazir Bhutto has really cast a huge shadow over the process.”

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Let's make it real simple for you.

Your choices are: zardari, NS or Musharaf.

Not very difficult is it? Who do you want - the robber, the plunderer or the diktator?

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One would think these critics would get tired of using the same words for 7 years since the coup took place, but some people are persistent it seems. They are perverts and seem to lick their lips when they imagine a civil war in Pakistan. The only enemy Musharaf faces are wahabis. Wahabis that enemies to Islam, Ahl Sunnah and Fiqh Jafaria.

Dictator. Thats a funny word. Dictators are like Saddam Hussien or perhaps someone like Idi Amin...certainly not like Musharraf.

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LOL maybe its time you checked the opinion polls in the nation you claim to love. Musharraf is more hated in Pakistan than George Bush. Bin Laden is more popular than Mushy. The man is universally despised and hated in Punjab. I wond even go there when takling about his popularity in the other provinces.

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I take the robber or plunderer. Each has his own support base. Mushy has NO support base. Even the Jatt Chaudries he has stuck hs wagon to hate him

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or how about this scenario - mush is president, pml-n or ppp rep is the pm, now thats trouble

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I would say its wrong to assume Mushy has no support base. I think he has somer support amongst the masses. How you measure support in a country like Pakistan is very hard. From my guess there ae still considerable numbers of people who support Mushy although at a guess I would say more than half of the country wants him out of power but then again no one takes not iof the silent majority which do not consist of militants, lawyers, nawaz sharif supporters, benazir supporters. I know some NS and BB supporters who also support Mush because they have seen more development during his time.

Opinion polls can be biased, rigged, slanted and the question is how exactly it was compiled?

By the way - how do they know if an election will be rigged? How does one spot a rigged polling booth beforehand?

Sad fact is whoever wins be it fairly or unfairly there will be some unrest. People will be looking to make trouble. If PML-N and PPP join forces I guess that will easily be 2/3 so Mushwillbe in trouble.

If there is trouble Ithink the army should intervene to stop disturbances and on top of that forcing Mush to resign. A compromise needs to be reached. Mush's declining popularity needs to be resolved and that with a forced retirement. A new army face is needed with an impartial view to restore credibility back within the army and its role as well as the political process.

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Out of these 3, who is fighting for PM'ship and who is for presidency?

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Check it… by an INDEPENDANT polling organization.
Musharraf has ZERO support, no credability, no base. He is a tyrant and a tinpot despot.
Lets all hope he hangs after his impeachment.

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Bahi Malik appears to be very fond of bloodshed in Karachi again. Pathetic.

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The elections will not be rigged. The people are already making excuses just incase their party is defeated. :)

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Voters list are 'amended', election officials are those who support Q,MQM.

Opposition parties are 'barred' from certain campaign areas, etc, etc

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Lets decide for the robbber aka plunderer aka murderer aka dictator as a choice. Will you vote?
Correct me If Im wrong but Zardari is no option Its Amin Fahim.

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its a CNN poll.

Story Highlights Osama bin Laden more popular than Pakistan, U.S. presidents, poll finds
Two-thirds of respondents say they believe war on terror is action against Islam
Respondents say view of U.S. would improve if aid, business ties increased
Poll of more than 1,000 Pakistanis conducted for group Terror Free Tomorrow
face-to-face with 1,044 Pakistanis across 105 urban and rural sampling points in all four provinces across the nation. Households were randomly selected.

its is only a poll of over 1000 pakistanis - 1000 is far too small sample for a city such as karachi, lahore, pindi let alone pakistan.

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Mostar bhai, I have no quarrel with you or the city of Karachi.
Lets state plane facts.
-PML-Q represents Musharraf in Punjab and the rest of the country. It is hated everywhere in every district by nearly everyone. It has no real support and is a shell created by the army and intelligence services. In a conflict it would dissapear with its leaders going to exile in Europe.
-In Karachi MQM represents Musharraf. MQM has real support on the ground and passionate followers. The rest of teh city is PPP or MMA followers. In a conflict MQM supporters (presumabley) are not going anywhere - thats where the conflict will be....

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What reason would CNN he US have to make Musharraf look unpopular? If anything they should make it appear that Musharraf is popular since he is there slave.
Make no mistake, the man is widely hated and despised.

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LOL So you think that PML-Q actually has support and deserves the seats they are likely to get?
Sheikh Rashid cant even leave his house in Pindi because comman people are likely to beat him for his treachery.

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Malik_786 bhaijan. The free and fair elections that will soon take place in Pakistan will determine how popular the parties are. Not long to wait now. :)

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So true … you said it all :slight_smile:

We should know that party that tries to derail election is the one who is unpopular and is in government, whereas those in opposition should love to have election, especially if they are popular. It is funny that in Pakistan, those who want to derail election are those who are in opposition and claim that they are popular, and thus should have been happy that government is holding election.

Similarly, as for rigging, again it is funny that Pakistan is holding election under interim government even though all over the world, it is right of party in government to hold election under their own supervision, still opposition are crying foul.

It is also funny that most of Pakistan so-called political leaders are scared to go out in public when they are suppose to be leaders of masses, and one that did dared to push her head out of her car, a guy amongst public took it as an opportunity to have a shot at her protruding head, successfully.

Actually, one can see election result written on the wall. The position of pro and anti government parties in last parliament of 342 ‘NA’ members were:

PML (Q): 132
PPP (Sherpao): 19
MQM: 18
Others: 32
Total: 201 MNAs (government)

MMA: 57
PPP: 55
PML (N): 16
Others: 13
Total: 141 MNAs (opposition)

I do not see any reason to believe that PPP, PML (N), or MMA would do better than 2002 election, rather I have all reasons to believe that they would do worse than what they did in 2002, and Molvies would be lucky to get half of what they got in 2002. Because of freedom to Media given by President Musharraf, people have learned about crook characters of PPP and PML(N) leadership more today than they knew in 2002. People have also seen lot of development works and reduction in corruption during last 8 years at pace that is unprecedented in Pakistan history. Even Transparency International report shows how corrupt periods of PML(N) and PPP was.

http://www.transparency.org.pk/documents/csr.pdf

**Question (on page 40 of the report): **
In Pakistan which government was/is most corrupt in your opinon?
Result:
**48.7 percent ****said that **BeNazir period was most corrupt.
**43.03 percent ****said that Nawaz period was most corrupt.
3.17 percent
said that **Musharraf period is most corrupt.

What a difference … 91.73 percent considered ‘NS’ and ‘BB’ governments were most corrupt in Pakistan history, in comparison only 3.17 percent considered Musharraf government as corrupt, even when many thugs of NS, BB and also pro-Taliban retarded elements were bias and must have answered to malign Musharraf government (plus, perception of current government is always worse than past governments, as people are going through all what happens in current government).

If these losers in opposition want to derail election, I think that government should postpone election and let past government of ‘PML (Q) and alliance’ come back to rule, as I believe that in any fair election, they would be coming back to rule anyhow. Best thing is that, parties in opposition knows in their heart that they do not have any chance to win election and that is why they are trying to find all excuses to derail election, boycott election, or shout rigging, so that after election they can say that instead of public rejected them, it was rigging that got them lose the election.

From all evidence on ground, if anyone thinks that these losers in opposition have any popular support amongst masses than they are on drugs or living in big dream world, as we all know support of these parties during last 8 years, as best the party leaders of these corrupt parties could do was bring some criminals and hooligans like themselves on roads, who knew nothing other than how to loot, burn, rape, shout, and destroy the country (even lawyers who are suppose to be educated, on roads were behaving like animals), as that is what they have learned from the thug party leaders they support, who have looted and destroyed the country while in government.

Criminals and hooligans these parties brought on road during last 8 years clearly show that they have no mass supports, but they have supports of handful of criminals that any criminal party can find in a country of 165 million people. I think that if after election, these parties would try to create law and order problem in the country, government should suppress them with iron fist.

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^ bhai jaan FONT ki setting to nikal deyn apnay message se... thanks.