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^ bhai jaan FONT ki setting to nikal deyn apnay message se... thanks.
Sure yar ... kiya karayin :) Actually this 'FONT message' get added to post is funny. I wrote it in my Word document and when pasted it here, it gives all sort of 'command' messages. :)
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^ I'd rather use Notepad instead of Word (to avoid the hassle of [FONT] etc) :)
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Similarly, as for rigging, again it is funny that Pakistan is holding election under interim government even though all over the world, it is right of party in government to hold election under their own supervision, still opposition are crying foul.
Lets say elections will not be rigged, then per your another post in another thread is this how PML-Q managed to win majority and is going to win again?
Actually, democracy in Pakistan does not mean asking vote from voters, democracy in Pakistan means taking vote from voters ... by duress, force (gunda-gardi) or intimidation ... and that is what Vaderas, Jagirdaars, Sardars in Pakistan do to get into parliament.
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Lets say elections will not be rigged, then per your another post in another thread is this how PML-Q managed to win majority and is going to win again?
No doubt that many candidates in PML(Q) are those that would win election regardless of party they would contest, as that is the case with most rural constituencies in Pakistan.
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No doubt that many candidates in PML(Q) are those that would win election regardless of party they would contest, as that is the case with most rural constituencies in Pakistan.
And they will be able to that more-so because they are still enjoying the benefits.
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Saleem bhai
Every single source of media Western or otherwise confirms that Musharraf and his followers are widely hated in Pakistan to the point that they cannot even enter the public domain for fear of their own safety.
If by some way PML-Q wins as many seats as you have said, it indicates widespread corruption and rigging as the Western media is indicating is likely.
Should this happen you can expect a good part of the country to burn and look at Kenya for an example. The trouble after BB’s death is not even a dot compared to what will happen…
BTW when you speak of comparisons with the west, please check your facts. In the West they have an independant judcidiary and the media. Not a pig faced general like Musharraf who controls everything by himself.
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Saleem bhai Every single source of media Western or otherwise confirms that Musharraf and his followers are widely hated in Pakistan to the point that they cannot even enter the public domain for fear of their own safety. If by some way PML-Q wins as many seats as you have said, it indicates widespread corruption and rigging as the Western media is indicating is likely.
Should this happen you can expect a good part of the country to burn and look at Kenya for an example. The trouble after BB's death is not even a dot compared to what will happen....
BTW when you speak of comparisons with the west, please check your facts. In the West they have an independant judcidiary and the media. Not a pig faced general like Musharraf who controls everything by himself.
Brother, for PML(Q) to lose election, people have to vote parties in opposition. What make you think that people would vote PML(N), PPP or any other party?
Though I do not agree with you, still let assume that PML(Q) is not popular, still that does not mean 'PML(Q) and allies' would lose the election, as in that case there would be low turnout, still what I can see is that 'PML(Q) and allies' would win the election.
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Brother, for PML(Q) to lose election, people have to vote parties in opposition. What make you think that people would vote PML(N), PPP or any other party?
Though I do not agree with you, still let assume that PML(Q) is not popular, still that does not mean 'PML(Q) and allies' would lose the election, as in that case there would be low turnout, still what I can see is that 'PML(Q) and allies' would win the election.
Well I respectfully disagree having spent December in Pakistan I cannot imagine PML-Q ever winning any election. I think maybe 2 or 3% of people would support this party, not much more.
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Brother, for PML(Q) to lose election, people have to vote parties in opposition. What make you think that people would vote PML(N), PPP or any other party?
On one hand we paint whole nation as 'personality-lover', dumb-enough-to-not-distinguish-bad-from-good, blind-loyalty etc and on second hand you are asking why people will vote for PML-N, PPP or any other party.
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Well I respectfully disagree having spent December in Pakistan I cannot imagine PML-Q ever winning any election. I think maybe 2 or 3% of people would support this party, not much more.
Though I do not agree with you that PML-Q would get 2 to 3 percent of vote, nevertheless, in election there are two ways to win. Either a party wins election or their opponents lose election. That means, if PML-Q would get 2 to 3 percent of votes and party in opposition gets 1 to 2 percent of votes, that would mean that even though PML-Q did not deserve to win the election, still they would win because opposition lost the election (opposition got less votes than them).
Whatever you say, what I am saying is that I do not think that parties in opposition (aka PML-N, PPP or MMA) would get enough votes, more than 'PML(Q) and their allies' to win the election and that means, 'PML(Q) and their allies' would win the election.
This is called Election :).
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Whatever you say, what I am saying is that I do not think that parties in opposition (aka PML-N, PPP or MMA) would get enough votes, more than 'PML(Q) and their allies' to win the election and that means, 'PML(Q) and their allies' would win the election.
This is called Election :).
The only way PML(Q) will win election if it is rigged. With Mush in power that is not only a possibility more like a certainty.
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You cant measure life by internet articles, opinion polls - I disagree with you when you say widely hated and that he has no support at all. Dislike would be a better word to use for sure. Its not as if the whole country has come out against him to protest.
An opinion poll showing Mushy look popular is not "newsworthy". An opinion poll showing Mushy looking very unpopular breaks news headlines, even though many have been published.
I have no idea what the USA's intentions are for Pakistan. None are good I presume.
What reason would CNN he US have to make Musharraf look unpopular? If anything they should make it appear that Musharraf is popular since he is there slave. Make no mistake, the man is widely hated and despised.
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One would find it very hard to say who will actually vote what but I am assuming PPP will get the most votes and then it will be a toss up between PML-Q and PML-N. The PPP have the best chances - they will get a large proportion of the sindhi vote, not sure what % of the muhajir vote they will get but anincrease could be likely esp with MQM proving their thuggery on May 12, they will definitely have increased support in nwfp - the mma mightsuffer serious losses in some areas, because of benazir's more reconciliatory approact to the baloch she may get some extra votes there.
the mqm would probably not expand their vote bank at all after may 12 and a decrease is more than likely. about time mqm started thinking in unison with sindhi wishes - it would do them a great favour rather than supporting pml-q and mush.
pml-q have obviously suffered because of musharaf and their credibility under-mined - mushy has startedporjects in ifferent areas but i doubt it would do anythingto restore his credibility now. pml-q will will be under pressure with pml-n on the heals. their is nochance they can win alone and their best bet is probably to form with ppp.
pml-n probably have no chances of winning alone but pose a huge threat to votebank of pml-q with nawaz back. they could lose their nationwide non-punjab votes to PPP.
MMA - wellthey will hold some areas butlose many too.
Who know what the outcome will be - theproblem with pakistan is that is is sxo unpredictable - there are many reasons and equal reaons to hate each and every party. for some this will be a time of revenge.
Though I do not agree with you that PML-Q would get 2 to 3 percent of vote, nevertheless, in election there are two ways to win. Either a party wins election or their opponents lose election. That means, if PML-Q would get 2 to 3 percent of votes and party in opposition gets 1 to 2 percent of votes, that would mean that even though PML-Q did not deserve to win the election, still they would win because opposition lost the election (opposition got less votes than them).
Whatever you say, what I am saying is that I do not think that parties in opposition (aka PML-N, PPP or MMA) would get enough votes, more than 'PML(Q) and their allies' to win the election and that means, 'PML(Q) and their allies' would win the election.
This is called Election :).
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I don't know if you guys noticed this, but Sharif's representatives have hinted that there will be chaos after the elections. They know they wont win. Furthermore, likh lo, they will be orchestrating violence in Pakistan just like they did for the 2-3 days after Benazir was shot (I'm sorry, I refuse to use the word "shaheed". Allah decides that. She was SHOT).
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I don't know if you guys noticed this, but Sharif's representatives have hinted that there will be chaos after the elections. They know they wont win. Furthermore, likh lo, they will be orchestrating violence in Pakistan just like they did for the 2-3 days after Benazir was shot (I'm sorry, I refuse to use the word "shaheed". Allah decides that. She was SHOT).
Allah decides if she is labelled by us people on this earth as shaheed. Are you having a direct link to Allah? Please ask Allah then and present us Allahs opinion.
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I don't know if you guys noticed this, but Sharif's representatives have hinted that there will be chaos after the elections. They know they wont win. Furthermore, likh lo, they will be orchestrating violence in Pakistan just like they did for the 2-3 days after Benazir was shot (I'm sorry, I refuse to use the word "shaheed". Allah decides that. She was SHOT).
It is your contention that PML-N followers orchestrated violence after Benazir died? I would think such a charge could be brainless and completely unsubstantiated. I didnt realize there were that many PML-N followers in Sindh or Karachi.
If PML-Q or Mushys followers win the election they deserve every iota of violence that happens, lets hope theres lots of it.
You can only live under tyranny and opression for so long before acting out.
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If PML-Q or Mushys followers win the election they deserve every iota of violence that happens, lets hope theres lots of it.
Ouch. So much hatred. :)
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One would find it very hard to say who will actually vote what but I am assuming PPP will get the most votes and then it will be a toss up between PML-Q and PML-N. The PPP have the best chances - they will get a large proportion of the sindhi vote, not sure what % of the muhajir vote they will get but anincrease could be likely esp with MQM proving their thuggery on May 12, they will definitely have increased support in nwfp - the mma mightsuffer serious losses in some areas, because of benazir's more reconciliatory approact to the baloch she may get some extra votes there.
the mqm would probably not expand their vote bank at all after may 12 and a decrease is more than likely. about time mqm started thinking in unison with sindhi wishes - it would do them a great favour rather than supporting pml-q and mush.
pml-q have obviously suffered because of musharaf and their credibility under-mined - mushy has startedporjects in ifferent areas but i doubt it would do anythingto restore his credibility now. pml-q will will be under pressure with pml-n on the heals. their is nochance they can win alone and their best bet is probably to form with ppp.
pml-n probably have no chances of winning alone but pose a huge threat to votebank of pml-q with nawaz back. they could lose their nationwide non-punjab votes to PPP.
MMA - wellthey will hold some areas butlose many too.
Who know what the outcome will be - theproblem with pakistan is that is is sxo unpredictable - there are many reasons and equal reaons to hate each and every party. for some this will be a time of revenge.
It really doesnt matter who wins.
Allow credible elections, I dont care who wins.
Allow a free media running in to elections, have a neutral electoral commision and an independant judiciary to mediate any outcome.
Until then the whole process is tainted and meaningless.
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If PML-Q or Mushys followers win the election they deserve every iota of violence that happens, lets hope theres lots of it.
You'd rather break up the country into smaller pieces?