The violence in the city is sky rocketing. What is the government doing to stem this vicious cycle?
Karachi: 104 people killed during last 2 weeks
24 have been killed during the past 24 hours alone.
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It is just morning here in Pakistan and our media is showing such stories 24 hours a day .
Nothing new for us .
This all mess started in Karachi in a firing case by some unknown persons on a MQM rally to Hyderabad .
Remember the firing was made from back on last bus leaving .
Even MQM was not known of this .
This was a plan to make them popular .
Sure by the people who knew nothing more than fire .
Waisay 'Good morning' thread should be something else .
Gal tay changi keeta karo
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Are these killings, done to just random people going about on their daily business, or is this to like targeted people, meaning like business men, or politians or criminals? Are these in like a "bad" area of karachi? or just anywhere, randomily?
Just curious, if someone is living in Karachi, how do they stay safe?
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They are usually targeted killings. But the target could be anyone. It doesn't have to be a politician or businessman or police officer, although they are targets quite often.
A random person going about his daily routine might be chosen as a target only for his religious background. Also, a random person might be killed during an attack on a chosen target.
There are some bad areas in Karachi for sure. But since a target could live anywhere in the city, therefore the killing can happen anywhere in the city.
For staying safe, if you are a target then there is no safe place. If you are not a target then there is little chance something will happen to you. Although there is hardly anyone in the city who has not been a victim of petty crimes like mobile snatching. Such crimes happen under the auspices of politicized police itself.
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They are usually targeted killings. But the target could be anyone. It doesn't have to be a politician or businessman or police officer, although they are targets quite often.
A random person going about his daily routine might be chosen as a target only for his religious background. Also, a random person might be killed during an attack on a chosen target.
There are some bad areas in Karachi for sure. But since a target could live anywhere in the city, therefore the killing can happen anywhere in the city.
For staying safe, if you are a target then there is no safe place. If you are not a target then there is little chance something will happen to you. Although there is hardly anyone in the city who has not been a victim of petty crimes like mobile snatching. Such crimes happen under the auspices of politicized police itself.
This all is the result of the foolishness in Zia era .
Now power brokers are not ready to come down and it is also out of control of leaders and hidden forces too .
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^ Zia is dead for the past three decades. Have you seen any attempt by the present regime to stem the violence? Keep in view that the situation was much more peaceful during musharraf and your beloved arbab ghulam raheems tenure.
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^ Zia is dead for the past three decades. Have you seen any attempt by the present regime to stem the violence? Keep in view that the situation was much more peaceful during musharraf and your beloved arbab ghulam raheems tenure.
How can they do this .
Remember the day of NRO case.
MQM refused to support them for help in passing a law.
Remember the biggest number of the person benefited of NRO were MQM people .
This was an arranged attempt and Altaf did this in a Tv program .
They are still allies .
Powers behind plays more than government .
Just have a look on the election of new PM .
How Makhdoom was stopped on the day of submitting papers .
You know all.
Na haq ham majbooron par yeh tohmat hay mukhtari ki
Jo chahay so aap karay hay , Ham ko abs badnam kia
[RIGHT]ناحق ہم مجبوروں پر یہ تہمت ہے مختاری کی
جو چاہے سو آپ کرے ہے ہم کو عبث بدنام کیا
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I think Ali Syed is right. Killings due to policies of Zia's era are but one part of mess Karachi is in. Like they say, Karachi is mini-Pakistan. There are people from all over the country. So there are killings happening due to problems initiating from all over the country, including Karachi itself.
When people move to a place, they bring good and bad things to the new place. For example, when Italians moved the US, they brought Mafia.
Thus there is Talibanic violence originating from KP mostly. There is sectarian violence which has its centers in Southern Seraiki belt of Punjab. There is political violence involving parties like MQM, ANP, PPP, JI, MQM Haqiqi. There is ethnic violence. There is gang violence from Lyari. Etc.
Only Talibanic and sectarian violence may be attributable to Zia.
The businessmen clearly say that the problem of hijacking and bhatta is due to police support of these crimes. And we know that such crimes are the main cause of death of Karachi's economy. This problem is due to Karachi police having 40% appointed on political basis.
And this has nothing to do with zia.
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I think the duo who are responsible in messing up Karachi is MQM n ANP!
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^ not to forget PPP, who have the CM there plus interior ministries both in the province as well as Center.
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I think the duo who are responsible in messing up Karachi is MQM n ANP!
Like I said earlier, this is a simplistic explanation of a complex reality.
About 6 people who got killed yesterday were Sipahe Sahaba activists. Was it MQM who did it or ANP?
Earlier some people were killed for being shia, and some were killed for being bohris.
There are many other factors in play which I don't want to go into details of. Like PPP's Lyari stronghold and crimes associated with it.
Simplistic views are easier to explain. It is easy to give these killings ethnic (or religious) colors. But reality is complex. And unless one reads the news daily and get into discussion, one can not ascertain the facts.
And like I said earlier, Karachi is mini Pakistan. Thus Karachi has both positive AND negative factors associated with all peoples of Pakistan.
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Sipah e Sahaba activists or students of a Madarsa? 
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^ wasent it some ASWJ madrasah?
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Look at the difference in reaction of wafaq ul madaris. Strangely there’s no reaction from them when some Shia/Hazara is killed or some suicide attack takes place around the country.
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Its everywhere same. Everyone talks for their people. No one owns all. We don’t see condemnation of this event from Shia ulema too.
oh, BTW I remembered there was some joint event organised by Shia + Suni Ulema today at Numaish Chorangi, Karachi. What happened to that.
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^ sadly but it seems that the chicken have come home to roost...
The people who remain indifferent to the plight of others will face the consequences themselves. Some people for the past many years are trying to push the shias and barelvis against the wall, and at some stage there will be a response. And when that happens May Allah forbid will be very bloody and dangerous.
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If everyone talks for THEIR people alone then no one’s people will be safe.
As far as madaris, besides keeping silent about murder of others, they also remain silent on hundreds of cases of abuses against women and children which have come forward.
Police raid in Pakistan finds chained students at religious school - CNN
Pakistani police rescued 54 men and 14 young boys Monday from an Islamic religious school and drug rehabilitation facility where they were found chained to one another and held in an underground room, police officials told CNN.
Video from the madrassa showed young men and boys – some appearing to be as young as 8 years old – with heavy chains connected to their ankles.
According to CNN affiliate GEO news, the Islamic school, Al-Arabiya Aloom Jamia Masjid Zikirya, is located in Sohrab Goth – a suburb of Gadap in Karachi.
“It’s alarming what was found in there. Some of these kids were treated worse than animals,” Memon said.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/111213061515-pakistan-madrassa-story-body.jpg
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As far as the spike in sectarianism in Karachi is concerned, the killings in Ahsan ul Uloom were in response to some shia killed a day earlier. May Allah save karachiites from sectarianism, we have seen the fruits of the same in 80’s and 90’s (in Punjab) and would hope the people of Karachi don’t become victim to that.
‘Tit-for-tat sectarian’ attacks: Six more shot dead in city | DAWN.COM](http://dawn.com/2012/11/11/tit-for-tat-sectarian-attacks-six-more-shot-dead-in-city/)
**KARACHI, Nov 10: Peace remained a distant dream for Karachiites as an armed attack on seminary students in Gulshan-i-Iqbal and an ambush on an activist of a proscribed religious party in North Nazimabad left at least six people dead on Saturday in what police said as part of the ‘ongoing tit-for-tat killings on sectarian grounds’.
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**The deadly incidents followed the hours-long tension mainly in districts central and west, where two vehicles were set on fire during the funeral procession of the Imamia Students Organisation adviser who was killed on Friday in Karimabad.
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The level of threat authorities warned remained high ahead of Muharram, beginning next week, but they had failed to cap the brutal trend terrorising Karachiites for the past more than two months.
The fear stayed in most parts of districts central and west, where multiple killings have been witnessed in the recent spate of violence.
Nearly half a dozen riders on three motorbikes targeted young students of Ahsan-ul-Uloom, a known seminary of in Gulshan-i-Iqbal Block 2.
“The victims are seminary students, who were sitting at a roadside teashop after Maghrib prayers as a matter of their daily routine,” DIG-East Shahid Hayat told Dawn. “The teashop is close to Ahsan-ul-Uloom, with which the victim students were enrolled. The firing left five of them dead and three injured. The area police were collecting more information that would establish the identity of the victims.”
An official at the Gulshan-i-Iqbal police station said the attackers riding three motorbikes used 9mm and 30-bore pistols. The firing was so intense that it caused panic in the locality, which becomes quite busy after sunset with people thronging the food outlets there.
“The victims were mostly hit in the chest and head. The dead and the injured have been shifted to the Jinnah Postgraduate Medical Centre,” said the official. “They all were in their early 20s and sitting at the restaurant as they always did after Maghrib prayers. Three of the dead have been identified as Iqbal, Aslam and Tahir. The injured and the other two dead remained unidentified.”
Life came to a complete halt in Block 2 of Gulshan-i-Iqbal and its neighbouring localities. A heavy contingent of police backed by Rangers cordoned off the crime scene, where blood stains were visible showing the intensity of the horrific episode.
**“On the face of it, there is no other reason than tit-for-tat killings on sectarian grounds,” said DIG-East Shahid Hayat, when asked about suspects behind the fresh killings. “Unless another aspect is proved, we believe there is a sectarianism motive behind the recent killings carried out in different parts of Karachi.”
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**Within and hour, gunmen in North Nazimabad targeted the Ahl-i-Sunnat Wal Jamaat’s senior activist while he was riding home.
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The area police said the armed men on a motorbike intercepted 28-year-old Muhammad Irfan near the Landi Kotal roundabout.
“One of the motorcyclists fired shots at him and sped away with his accomplice,” said an official at the Hyderi police station.
“The victim wearing shalwar kameez died on the spot and his body was shifted to the Abbasi Shaheed Hospital. He was a resident of North Nazimabad, Block L.”
**The police suspected sectarianism behind the incident, which also echoed in the statement of the ASWJ issued after the killing.
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**“The victim was the information secretary for our North Nazmabad town’s organisational structure. His killing is part of the fresh trend targeting ASWJ workers,” it added.
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“There are visible, organised and coordinated efforts behind the recent killings,” said Maulana Taj Hanafi of the ASWJ. “One day we see people from the Shia sect being targeted and the other day we see Sunnis being killed. The administration has failed to recognise the conspiracy behind the brutal trend and arrest the killers. Indiscriminate operations as carried out in Swat and Waziristan are the only option left to restore peace to Karachi.”
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Students of madrassah, belonging to Sipahe Sahaba.
20 killings roil Karachi | The Nation
In the worst incident in Gulshan-e-Iqbal area, unidentified gunmen killed six seminary students. Investigators said they were sitting at a tea stall in Block-2 close to their seminary,** Jamia Arabia Ahsanul Uloom**, when four attackers, riding on a motorbike, appeared on the scene and opened fire on them.
The Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat, to which the students were associated, strongly condemned the killings.
Wafaqul Madaris coming out strongly in favor of a banned sectarian militant outfit, exposes its own stand towards sectarian violence.
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The best observation came from Nabil Gabol: "Karachi is a time bomb."
I think Karachi is more like a volcano that continues to spew ash and lava and at some point in time, it may explode with full intensity. Karachi may have a political solution, but main players in the city know how to manipulate their way into politics through the element of violence and I am sure they have now grown to be strong enough to survive any operation if there is any.