I have been reading the quran. Some things that I have read have disturbed me. I must apologize that I don’t have the quran with me so I can not tell you exactly where I found theses verses. One verse instructs you to beat a woman if she gets “out of line”. WHAT?
Another instructs you to not only kill a woman who has been adluterous but to STARVE her to death in a room. WHAT?
Can someone please offer some explanation that might ease my mind about the Islamic religion. Seeing things like this turn my eyes and heart away from God not towards him. If God,Allah or whoever told me to kill someone just because they did something wrong I would seriously doubt that the were right in telling me this especially seeing as how god is love and all things good.
okay, I am not a scholar... but to my understanding I'll offer to explain as below.
The verse you saw permits you to beat your wife ONLY if she persistently denies to follow you (when you are yourself a FIRM beleiver and do good deeds) & Allah's commands... but you should not start hitting her right away. You should do everything else before resorting to do this (like explain her, try to convince with love etc). This is what I know about it, and I beleive is agreed by many scholars.
About 'starving' a woman in a room. You claimed to be pursuing 'preisthood'. What do you know about laws GOD has given us to mankind? How to deal with problems in a society? If you wife commits adultery with your neighbor or with your friend? What is some women opts that as a business?
Islam does not allow prostitution. And to stop spread of prostitution in a society you have to punish the wrong doer.
Does any society in current "civilized" world allow anyone to kill/murder? loot? bribery? How can you eliminate evils from a society? Ans: you have to punish the evil-doer.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
Also, Quran does not only ask adulterous WOMAN to be killed but also adulterous MAN to be killed. Both of them have to fall under certain conditions. NOT ALL of them have to be killed. I'm not sure, but if anyone of them is not married then he/she gets 'whipped', but if married than 'stoned to death'.
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
I think you need to quote the verse to keep the question in context.
Secondly, you will have to be careful about the translations. As those who did it, did it with the best of their knowledge. You will find that many translations or interpretations differ.
Just a side note! The Holy Prophet (saw) was the one to whom Quran was revealed. He understood it the best! Wouldn't you agree?
Now, according to his traditions ... he never even raised his voice in front of his wife, let alone raise his hand against them! So, obviously the problem is with the understanding of the Quran by the translator or interpreter in the context it was given. :)
killing is wrong, under ANY circumstance. Adultery is not as big a crime as to warrant starving and beating.
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Originally posted by Sarah Splendor:
killing is wrong, under ANY circumstance. Adultery is not as big a crime as to warrant starving and beating.
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why does current civilized world 'execute' murderers? kill spies? kill 'masterminds' (someone who directs a disaster/terrorism)?
We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by Sarah Splendor:
Killing criminals and murderers isn't right either. People may say kill the murderer because he or she killed but that's taking revenge. People have only one life, to deny them this right, the right tolive, for a sin they committed is against human values.
who defines 'Human Values'?
It's terrible. Instead, killers and criminals should be punished according to the extent and seriousness of the crime
does it mean that 'killing/murderering' is not serious enough to kill the criminal?
and moral sins like adultery and illict sex should be dealt with in a way that is humane. Killing, starving, stoning, beating is not.
what is your position in defining 'humane'? who has right to define 'humane'?
The person should seek repentance. I think moral sins' punishments should not be decided by people but by Allah because the people involved with the person will be biased and all that, and will probably be subject to their emotions. Only Allah should be the decided of punishments and what consititutes a crime
and if Allah is asking you to kill the criminal would you insist that Allah shows up with a sword and kill the criminal?
Islam should not anoint people to punish someone because they gave into their emotions.
Its okay if you want to make your own religion and follow what you desire, but you should not ALTER an existing religion as per you desire.
Maybe there was something lacking in te marriage, stuff like that should be taken into consideration.
can you elaborate please?
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We oughta be Changez like, don't we?
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Originally posted by Sarah Splendor:
*Killing criminals and murderers isn't right either. *
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You might want to take the job of peace-missionary and should see Mr Bush.
Priest,
This is the verse you must have been looking for. It’s Chapter 4 Verse 35.
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You should also check out the verse 35 and 36 in the same chapter. I hope somebody else has answered your question. Don’t hesitate if you aren’t convinced.
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If you fear a breach between them twain (the man and his wife), appoint (two) arbitrators, one from his family and the other from her’s; if they both wish for peace, Allâh will cause their reconciliation. Indeed Allâh is Ever AllKnower, WellAcquainted with all things.
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Worship Allâh and join none with Him in worship, and do good to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, Al-Masâkin (the poor), the neighbour who is near of kin, the neighbour who is a stranger, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (you meet), and those (slaves) whom your right hands possess. Verily, Allâh does not like such as are proud and boastful;
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**. You claimed to be pursuing'preisthood'.
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I never claimed to be pursuing "priesthood"
Priest is my last name. I am looking into all religions to try and come to a decision about where my heart lay when looking at God.
Thank you for your response.
Thank you Khan Sahib.
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I don’t know whether U R a muslim or not, but Muslims lives and struggles all his life for life after the death.
God has mentioned more about doomsday than anything else in his holy book.
If you R muslim, you should beilieve in your faith and silence your personal whims against your faith.
Like you said you live or you don’t.
So either be fathful muslim or do’nt. There is no midway.
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Thank you Khan_Sahib ...
And just to show that different people have translated the verses with the best of their knowledge & choice of words, here is another translation:
*4: 35. Men are guardians over women because ALLAH has made some of them excel others, and because men spend on them of their wealth. So virtuous women are obedient, and guard the secrets of their husbands with ALLAH's protection. And as for those on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them and keep away from them in their beds and chastise them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Surely, ALLAH is High and Great.
4: 36. And if you fear a breach between them, then appoint an arbiter from his folk and an arbiter from her folk. If they (the arbiters) desire reconciliation, ALLAH will effect it between them. Surely, ALLAH is All-Knowing, All-Aware.
4: 37. And worship ALLAH and associate naught with HIM, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbour who is a kinsman and the neighbour who is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, ALLAH loves not the arrogant and the boastful; *
Sarah Splendor,
Please tell us, what would you consider an ethical or moral punishment for the person who has committed murder?
Do you differentiate between a mass murderer (who has killed hundreds, sometime thousands) and the person who has killed only one!
Death as a punishment of murder is there to serve as a deterrent to further such acts and is very appropriate. On the other hand, if someone knows that even for murder the highest level of punishment is just being locked up, then people wont be hesitant in commiting this sin.
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well actually i dont recall any such verses where it says to BEAT women....
as far as adultery is concerned - married men or women shud be stoned to death (and not starved) if the r found guilty....
and the unmarried r to be punished with 100 lashes (without distinction of men or women)....
and hey sarah, if u dont believe that what Alah has said in Quran is right, i am sorry to tell u that u r NOT a muslim....
what Allah has prescribed for a crime is the best punishment, cuz He is the All-Knowing....
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I will try to answer your original question but I need some time.