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**"After the lectures that Arabs and Muslims received from Europeans on Freedom of Speech and on Tolerance. And after that many European newspapers republished the Danish cartoons on the Prophet Mohammed. AEL decided to enter the cartoon business and to use our right to artistic expression.
***Just like the newspapers in Europe claim that they only want to defend the freedom of speech and do not desire to stigmatise Muslims,we also do stress that our cartoons are not meant as an offence to anybody and ought not to be taken as a statement against any group, community or historical fact. ***
If it is the time to break Taboos and cross all the red lines, we certainly do not want to stay behind."

http://www.arabeuropean.org/newsdetail.php?ID=94 cartoon1

http://www.arabeuropean.org/article.php?ID=100 cartoon 2

more coming I guess?!..

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Sick! Just as sick as the Danes, but then again that’s what freedom of speech is all about these days.
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Well there you go. If there was any supposed "moral high ground" it is lost with this. Or does the aphorism "an eye for an eye" give you dogmatic reasons to still claim it?

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'moral high ground? i thought this was all about over-sensitive Muslims? We dont have an over-sensitive jew on our hands do we? :hehe:

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These cartoons are not disrespecting the Jewish religion, just posing valid questions about the so-called facts about the Holocaust. I bet you will never see such cartoons in the European press, because it is against the law to question the Holocaust. Freedom of press, yeh sure.

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Another one :frowning:

http://www.arabeuropean.org/articleImages/0204200611391007661_spelberg.JPG

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Public denial of the Holocaust is a criminal offence in Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia and Switzerland, and is punishable by fines and jail sentences.

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Not Denmark then? Why don't they run these cartoons next week to balance stuff out, admitedly they're not as crude at the Islamaphobic ones, but they'll do to show they're being 'fair and balanced'?

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two wrongs done make a right. yes this is a recent hitorical point but near and dear to the hearts of millions, tit for tat is not right in my view.

I mean wht is next, we start cartoons questioning the virgin birth?

think about it. does this approach suit us? The answer to these things are not to take things lying down and not speaking up against it, but why follow in some idiots footsteps and try to offend people?

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Good point Silly Billy.

Questioning the so-called facts about the Holocaust is not necessarily being anti-semitic or insulting the Jewish faith, as then even those whites who dismiss the genocide of native Indians and blacks in America would be forever termed racist bigots.

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It is deplorable that some of you would side with terrorists such as ahmadinejad on the subject of holocaust. Your only motivation has to be sheer and insecure hatred of Jews, since the facts of the holcaust have been amply established. Germany has apologized - why would they do it if it's not true? Why would my jewish colleagues lie to me about it?

It is not as if we're hearing the atrocities of the holocaust from some long lost book - we're hearing 1st hand and 2nd party accounts.

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Most, if not all the people in jail for questioning the Holocaust in Europe are white Christians, and that is a fact.

Even if what the Jews say about the Holocaust is indeed true, and if they are confident of their facts, then there should be no need for laws to punish those who question them? Making laws to stop people voicing their opinions (however wrong) gives the impression that someone has something to hide.

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curmudgeon, your missing the point here. The topic is not the denial/occurance of holocaust. I'll give you a clue what its about; it begins with 'free' and ends with 'speech'.

I guess the west shouldn't have a problem publishing these?

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This is so funny. Danes insult Muslims, Muslims vent their rage at Jews.
Now why would any one think that Muslims have a religious hatred torward Jews.
But hey, excercise your right in any manner you choose.

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They probably reproduced the cartoons from the archives of those oh so lofty European newspapers. They have a catalogue of those things.

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^ hahaha. Good point. Europeans do have a history afterall, for turning on their minority. The holocaust came about after the europeans constantly ridiculed and dehumanised jews in the media. And now..we can see how their mindset hasnt changed much, just become a little more subtle.

NIU: its an example, to show the' H' word is so ingrained in the westerners, they arent prepared to admit it. Both jews/arabs/muslims are on par interms of race/religion/culture hence the comparison.

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Perhapes cartoons mocking those killed in 2005 earthquake in Pakistan should be created?

Jews will not riot and burn down buildings in response to these cartoons nor will they threaten violence, I can tell you that much. The words that come out the Arab/Muslim lands about Jews is much worse that these cartoon anyways.

I predict Israel will now have unprecident support from the world after the events we have seen over the last few weeks.

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no jews ensure people are jailed, they are appeased by western laws. Why riot?

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Dutch Islamists post cartoons depicting Anne Frank, Hitler in bed

A Belgian-Dutch Islamic political organization posted anti-Jewish cartoons on its Web site in response to the cartoons of the prophet Mohammed that appeared in Danish papers last year and offended many
Muslims.

The cartoons were posted on the Arab European League’s site on Saturday. It was not working Sunday morning because of exceeded bandwidth.

The cartoons depicting Mohammed wearing a turban-shaped bomb were first published in Denmark, and then in newspapers elsewhere in Europe in a show of solidarity with press freedoms.

The Islamic site carried a disclaimer saying the images were being shown as part of an exercise in free speech rather than to endorse their content - just as European newspapers have reprinted the Danish cartoons.

One of the AEL cartoons displayed an image of Dutch Holocaust victim Anne Frank in bed with Adolf Hitler, and another questioned whether the
Holocaust actually occurred.

Dyab Abou Jahjah, the party’s founder and best-known figure, defended the
action on the Dutch television program Nova Saturday.

“Europe has its sacred cows, even if they’re not religious sacred cows,” he told the program.

Denying the Holocaust is illegal under most European hate speech laws, which outlaw intimidating or inciting hatred toward groups on the basis of their ethnic, cultural, religious or sexual identity. Complaints about alleged hate speech are common but prosecutions are rare and convictions very rare.

The AEL espouses nonviolence but has gained a reputation for extremist views, and opposes Muslims integrating with non-Muslims. It promotes the
participation of Muslims in political dialogue in European countries, but is internally divided as to whether or not to participate in elections directly.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/678639.html

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wud like to share my views on the side topic.
nobody here is denying it.its their exploitation of holo and the sympathy being shown by the world.plz consider the following two points

  • Those who were oppressed by the Nazi cruelty are not only the inmates of concentration camps. They are not only Jews as well. The World War II cost the lives of some 55 million people. Only the number of Soviet citizens who lost their lives during the war was about 25 million. Dozens of different nations and ethnical groups were subjected to the torture and cruelty of the Nazis and their fascist allies. Therefore, it would not be right to demand a special political compensation in the name of a single nation due to the sufferings of the World War II.

  • The fact that Jews were oppressed by Nazis cannot be used to justify and legitimise the cruelty inflicted on other nations (on Palestinians, for instance) by some Zionist Jews.
    In recent years, this fact about the Holocaust has been expressed by Jews themselves. Esther Benbassa, the director of the Contemporary Jewish History Department of Ecole Pratique des Hautes Etudes in France, wrote in Liberation on September 1, 2000 that "the Jewish Holocaust has been turned into a religion" and added: "Putting oneself in the status of a victim secures every Jew against criticisms and thus also Israel against criticisms."

harun yahya

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I dunno. There’s a linear relationship and it is this:
Where the bias against Muslims increases (eg for anti-immigration etc), there is a usually a reported rise in anti-jewish, antisemitic attacks too. Who knows, maybe they can’t figure out the difference between a muslim and a Jew?