More barbarity from the Israelis

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Re: More barbarity from the Israelis

@Raj_ind

Saudis are only ppls on earth who seem to have some respect about Islamic principals. Rest (Majority of them not all) are just bunch of munafiqeen who would swear about Islam, but they shy away from Implementing shariyah, coz of its rigorous rulings. And the ahadith they posted suggest to destroy all idols, and idols were generally meant to worship. What happened to idolators/mushrikeen after the holy prophet conquered Mecca? Did he allow them to continue with their idol worship or broken all their idols?

Kaabah is supposed to be the place of Hunafa(monotheists) and there is no place for any idol so it was conformed to its original form by removing the idols.
No one was forced to convert to Islam. People of Makkah became muslim on their own accord.

I don’t understand why do you want to represent Muslims as two groups, Alzheimers and manic-depressive. Every religion has extremely strict or zealous and Secular people but then there are those followers who haven’t changed the religion and haven’t became zealous or secular.

@Raj_ind

Plz make it habit to give reference when U are engaged in debates on sensitive issues like this one, just a brotherly piece of advice to U.

Perhaps following ahadith will convince U about Islamic ruling on apostasy.

You cannot take out rulings by reading one hadith that’s the advice I want to give you.

@Raj_ind

Perhaps those bloody killers known as Talibaan are ensuring their reward taking lessons from this Sahih Bukhari. They claim that they are killing the infidels only,dont they???

And where did the Hindu radicals are taking their lessons from? Probably from Mahabharta?

As I told you Reason that Shariah is not a simpleton’s math and you cannot read one hadith and take out rulings from it. If you just pick one hadith it’ll confuse the hell out of you and others.

This hadith definitely needs from explanation following more ahadith from the same chapter. Another hadith from the same chapter with a different narrator:

*Volume 9, Book 84, Number 67: *

Narrated Abu Sa’id: While the Prophet was distributing (something, 'Abdullah bin Dhil Khawaisira At-Tamimi came and said, “Be just, O Allah’s Apostle!” The Prophet said, “Woe to you ! Who would be just if I were not?” 'Umar bin Al-Khattab said, “Allow me to cut off his neck ! " The Prophet said, " Leave him, for he has companions, and if you compare your prayers with their prayers and your fasting with theirs, you will look down upon your prayers and fasting, in comparison to theirs. Yet they will go out of the religion as an arrow darts through the game’s body in which case, if the Qudhadh of the arrow is examined, nothing will be found on it, and when its Nasl is examined, nothing will be found on it; and then its Nadiyi is examined, nothing will be found on it. The arrow has been too fast to be smeared by dung and blood. The sign by which these people will be recognized will be a man whose one hand (or breast) will be like the breast of a woman (or like a moving piece of flesh). These people will appear when there will be differences among the people (Muslims).” Abu Sa’id added: I testify that I heard this from the Prophet and also testify that 'Ali killed those people while I was with him. The man with the description given by the Prophet was brought to 'Ali. The following Verses were revealed in connection with that very person (i.e., 'Abdullah bin Dhil-Khawaisira At-Tarnimi): ‘And among them are men who accuse you (O Muhammad) in the matter of (the distribution of) the alms.’ (9.58)

Similar narrations In other hadith books:
Hazrat Abu Saeed Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) and Hazrat Anas (Radiallhu Anhu) report that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated: "My Ummat is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will arise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (just oral reading). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Quran and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam. Whoever will confront them, he will be the most beloved servant of Allah. The Sahaba inquired: “Ya Rasoolullah, (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) what is their sign?” He replied: “Sitting in a Halqa (circle).”(Mishkat Shareef, pp/308)

Shareekh Ibn Shihab (Radiallhu Anhu) also narrates a similar incident of a person who displayed disrespect towards the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). He states the Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said "Nearing Qiyamah there will be a Group of people who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the true Religion of Islam as fast as an arrow leaves the bow. They will be recognized by the shavings of their entire head and they will move in Groups and their last Group will emerge with Dajjal, when you meet them you will discover their nature and character, the worst of its kind." (Mishkat pp/309 -
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So you heard all the signs, right? I still can’t interprete these ahadith on my own accord because I’m in no authority to do so because of my poor knowledge of sciences of hadith but what I understood is that these people will be hypocrites and there will be a war between them and muslims in Anti-Christ’s days.

@Raj_ind

Further U wrote.

I agree there is no ayah in holy quran which talks of punishment to apostates, but still there is one which suggest the punishment for a hypocrite who turn renegade, care to explain this one Sister??

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What I understand from those two ayahs, ALLAH is telling the believers that hypocrites cant be guided coz ALLAH himself had made the hypocrites go astray, but in next verse ALLAH is ordering that they should be killed if they turn apostates.

Will U kindly tell me that why the above quoted verse should not be taken as ALLAH’s clear cut commands to kill apostates?

And permit me to tell U that the hadith U have quoted without any number means noting in this debate, and secondly its not at all more reliable than Sahih Bukhari when its contradicting it.

The verse talks about apostates who betrayed and rebelled and they should be killed because of their treason and not because they converted to some other religion.

And you said that the hadith I quoted without number means nothing?
So here’ s the number:4339 (Sunnan Abi Daud, Book of Prescribed Punishments)

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed.

@Raj_ind

There is Shariyah in Saudi only, U can spread lies about them coz U possibly dont like their rigorous shariyah.

And will U kindly let me know how the country U are living in has adopted Islamic laws? I take this just like another excuse muslims over the world give about not living under Shariyah, the ultimate laws of ALLAH.

Peace to U.

If Saudi has shariah then all the other places with majority of Muslims have Shariah in their countries.

We have Shariah in Iran, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in Europe, middle east, Africa and so on…with their own different versions.

You can take this as an excuse or whatever you like, but the reality is Shariah is compatible with West as The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, suggested in a 2008 speech that the shari’ah may very well have to be accommodated in the United Kingdom.