More barbarity from the Israelis

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@hareem01

Kaabah is supposed to be the place of Hunafa(monotheists) and there is no place for any idol so it was conformed to its original form by removing the idols.
No one was forced to convert to Islam. People of Makkah became muslim on their own accord.

I don’t understand why do you want to represent Muslims as two groups, Alzheimers and manic-depressive. Every religion has extremely strict or zealous and Secular people but then there are those followers who haven’t changed the religion and haven’t became zealous or secular.

Peace hareem,

I m not talking of Kaabah but rest of Mecca. And I just noted again the typical muslim view that whole Kaabah changed their faith instantly once the holy prophet entered it. If U can answer my question without any religious bias then plz tell me if this story sounds worth believing??? Can ppls who were so obsessed with idol worshipping till just few days back became muslim overnight? Sounds fishy to me.

You cannot take out rulings by reading one hadith that’s the advice I want to give you.

LOL, its not me who is taking out any ruling by reading any hadith, rather its those pious jihadis who untill few years back were darling of an entire Nation. But if the hadith is sahih, than no one can stop them to take their ruling out of it, unless one is a kind of muslim who issue fatwa declaring interest given by banks as halal.

And where did the Hindu radicals are taking their lessons from? Probably from Mahabharta?

Not probably,but there are fair chances that they took lessons from Mahabharata. BTW are U aware of the fact that Mahabharat is just an epic and not a sacred religious scripture of hindus? And plz make no mistake about radical muslims taking their lessons from holy quran and sahih ahadith. There is pleanty much in those sacred scriptures which can easily misinterpretated to brainwash any reigious muslim and convince him that ALLAH wants Infidels to be killed. This is happening in Nations where religion has been given too much importance and a way to achieve Jannah.

So you heard all the signs, right? I still can’t interprete these ahadith on my own accord because I’m in no authority to do so because of my poor knowledge of sciences of hadith but what I understood is that these people will be hypocrites and there will be a war between them and muslims in Anti-Christ’s days.

Well hareem,I have already written whatever I needed to prove that the lesson of killing innocents comes directly from (Mis)interpretation of holy quran and ahadith. now what is defination of an innocent could differ between a secular and a muslim and further a radical muslim. I m well aware of the fact that almost all educated muslims know this fact, but most of them dont want to talk about it due to their religious compulsions and few who want to talk about it are intimidated by fellow muslims.

The verse talks about apostates who betrayed and rebelled and they should be killed because of their treason and not because they converted to some other religion

No U are wrong, lets examine the verses again.

4:88Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.

4:89They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks

What I understand from above verses is that ALLAH is telling muslims that HE has made those hypocrites gone astray and in next verse ALLAH says that if they turn renegades/apostates than kill them. Where question of a hypocrite turning apostate arises? he is already non believer.

And you said that the hadith I quoted without number means nothing?
So here’ s the number:4339 (Sunnan Abi Daud, Book of Prescribed Punishments)

Well if U consider sunnan Abi Daud more reliable than sahih bukhari than U are entitled for it.

Peace.