Morals without God

[armughal]

Re: Morals without God

without believing in God, what is the motivation for a person to observe moral values????

[bob_chasm]

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@armughal

without believing in God, what is the motivation for a person to observe moral values???

Like I said before, I believe empathy and reasoning can lead to the creation of sound ethics, as in the case of Ayn Rand.

regards,

bob

[armughal]

Re: Morals without God

reasoning wud say "since there is no account of what i do, why shud i bear a loss myself for the sake of anyone else"....

without having a concept of God, there is no way one cud be determined to stick to moral values even at his/her own personal loss....

reasoning and logic, in that case, wud only make a person to think of his own self and not of anyone else....
and the moment u stop thinking of others benefit and sacrifice ur own for the sake of many, the moral values cease to exist....

[Roman]

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^ That's absolutely incorrect. Empathy, affection, compassion are natural human emotions and do not require concept of God to validate themselves.

[PyariCgudia]

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without believing in God, what is the motivation for a person to observe moral values????

Kant would say it would be a "sense of duty" responsible for this motivation. The "sense of duty" would be provided by rational thought processes, according to Kant.

[armughal]

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'sense of duty' comes only when a person thinks he is answerable to someone....

[PyariCgudia]

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erm, like the gov't? like to your own self-conscious?

Haan, yeh kaho that morality has its own different mazaa when there is a God involved. That's something different.

[Lajawab]

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@Roman

^ That’s absolutely incorrect. Empathy, affection, compassion are natural human emotions and do not require concept of God to validate themselves.

Roman…Not everyone is as nice as you…

[armughal]

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@PyariCgudia

erm, like the gov’t? like to your own self-conscious?

Haan, yeh kaho that morality has its own different mazaa when there is a God involved. That’s something different.

self-conscious too seems very illogical a thing if one assumes there is no God…

[bob_chasm]

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@armughal

reasoning wud say “since there is no account of what i do, why shud i bear a loss myself for the sake of anyone else”…

without having a concept of God, there is no way one cud be determined to stick to moral values even at his/her own personal loss…

reasoning and logic, in that case, wud only make a person to think of his own self and not of anyone else…
and the moment u stop thinking of others benefit and sacrifice ur own for the sake of many, the moral values cease to exist…

Please go back and read my post, I said reasoning and empathy could make people ethical. I am not sure how you confused empathy with logic.

regards,

bob

[Roman]

Re: Morals without God

armughal, then may be you need to interact with people on more personal basis without viewing them under the microscopic vision of muslim/non-muslim/athiest/thiest.