Morals and \ethics of Pakistanis living abroad

[MustafaQuraishi]

Re: Morals and \ethics of Pakistanis living abroad

@geminifromkhi

Agree with the burqa part. Most girls in mazar e quaid wear burqas. And I HATE this abuse of burqa.

lol @ Mazar-e-Qaid. Go to lahore’s taxalli gate and you will find a lot of burqay walia … or wander around at M. M. Alam road in lahore at night and you will notice a lot of them …

[geminifromkhi]

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@queserasera

1. It’s too freakin hot over here in karachi, so lets just leave the parks out of it, ok. And the only public places that are air conditioned are the malls (i guess/ to the best of my knowledge) and last time i went to one, i’m pretty sure it wasn’t just me out there, there were hundreds of other people there too besides me. So chill people. Relax

2. @ OP, I don’t think you had any intention of hurting anyone through this thread, but remember judging someone or generalising anyone or anything, even with or without knowing them personally, is hurtful nonetheless. People have feelings not only in Pakistan but its a common ailment that affects everyone one irrespective of color, cast, creed, borders and even their level of piety. Yes a sinner has feelings too and his/ her sins does not give other people a license to judge them and thrash their character publicly. If anyone doesn’t like a certain aspect of someone’s behaviour, advise them privately, in a nice/ gentle manner, and one should never take a holier-than-thou attitude with them or use a condescending tone or even pity them, in most cases this kinf of attitude often leads such a person to a path of rebellion and even more sinning.

As human beings and esp as muslims (we are rather proud of this part of our identity aren’t we) we should know and act better. We should strive to follow our deen in every aspect and in this case too. I think everyone must have have heard about these hadiths : A muslim is the one who avoids harming muslims with his tongue and hands and this one: He who hides the faults of a muslim,Allah will hide his faults in the world and will forgive his faults on judgement day. Enough said.

So now that we all acha bachas:halo: have decided to leave the judgement part to the Creator, lets get to business. @geminifromkhi and @us1415 since both of you are computer graduates so help me out. I need to learn Matlab, which books would you recommend someone with a medical background. I remember basic arithmetic and basic algebra andthats it. Sowhat do i need to know to learn Matlab.

P.S. Kindly reply in business and career section. Please and thankyou:flower1:

Go through my other posts, I have never apologized this much in life:P My intention wasnt to hurt anyone.

Oh I had a MATLAB book, gotta look for it!

[geminifromkhi]

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@pak2015

Yeah exactly..those type of girls in Pakistan tend to be very challak and hide it very well in public..they’re very street smart compared to Pakistani girls here in US.

I’d agree with the street smart part. Not just Pakistani girls, even Pakistani guys are more street smart than people abroad. Like you guys are almost, SORRY AGAIN, dumb Like jk but somehow people from abroad are simpler. Which is good ofcourse

[geminifromkhi]

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@pak2015

No one is saying other nations are better or perfect, they have their own issues..i care about Pakistan and our society so focusing on that, we need to recognize our issues before we can fix our culture and society..self-criticism is not a bad thing..and fake degrees and bribery for admissions is well known fact that’s a rampant issue in Pak..it fits the theme of deceit, dishonesty, finding loopholes and cheating others, corruption at every level of society–themes that are prevalent in more ways than one in our Pakistani society. Plus world news like this is an embrassment..and this issue taints the actual prestigious institutions in Pakistan and hurts the hard working and deserving student

I know this thread was more about sexual perversions and drinking but the moral values of a society tend to be intertwined. Bribes, dishonesty and deceiving others is not considered as big of a deal in our Pakistani culture because everyone from the maids, teachers, police, to high level politicians are engaging in it. Because of this implicit acceptance, these qualities, such dishonesty, seep into other aspects of life. Wrong is wrong.

yeah but you cant discuss all the issues on this one thread.

[pak2015]

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@geminifromkhi

Sigh. Such a sad state of affairs.
But then again how many in Pakistan do you think can call their boyfriends/girlfriends at home? Or how many live in defence. I know such stuff happen in interior Punjab and interior sindh too but those are the extremes? Like they are poor people who dont know much about religion and have nothing else to do.

Yeah it really is sad. Qayamat is near lol.

But don’t need to call them at home. Can’t even do that here in US for most families. But can hide it either by meeting up in a different location or can video chat, text, facebook, etc and still do immoral things like sending dirty pictures or getting naked over webcam. Much easier to do it these days. And it’s rich and poor, although I noticed rich girls do it more because they have more opportunity to do so and tend to be less religious and more into fun/socializing/fashion/guys.

[geminifromkhi]

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@Reha

Drinking, sex and drugs are not only abroad..they’re very much present in Pakistan too. Aur jisko bigarna hota hai usko mulk badalne ki zuroorat nahin hai…vo vaise hi bigar jata hai.

Many of the men I’ve met in the rishta process had actively dated in Pakistan and had been sexually active. They had clubbed and had been drinking. They had smoked weed.

The difference?

Majority of the people do not TALK about it in Pakistan. The ones who do it will just do it but will not utter the words sex, drugs and alcohol. That’s all.

In the US, we don’t consider it taboo to speak about.

How many do you think are doing it in the us compared to pak?

[pak2015]

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@geminifromkhi

yeah but you cant discuss all the issues on this one thread.

Yeah but I’m saying it’s interrelated

[geminifromkhi]

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@MustafaQuraishi

lol @ Mazar-e-Qaid. Go to lahore’s taxalli gate and you will find a lot of burqay walia … or wander around at M. M. Alam road in lahore at night and you will notice a lot of them …

I cringe at this abuse of burqa

[Sehrysh]

Re: Morals and \ethics of Pakistanis living abroad

@geminifromkhi

How many do you think are doing it in the us compared to pak?

There are more Pakistanis sinning in Pakistan, then non-Resident Pakistanis sinning abroad, khush? Did I get the answer right?

Mind you, neither you nor I have access to a statistical evidence, but hey - your guess or assumption (or baseless accusation) is as good as mine, and if we have to come up with a stat or quantification, then mine seems fair

[geminifromkhi]

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@pak2015

Yeah it really is sad. Qayamat is near lol.

But don’t need to call them at home. Can’t even do that here in US for most families. But can hide it either by meeting up in a different location or can video chat, text, facebook, etc and still do immoral things like sending dirty pictures or getting naked over webcam. Much easier to do it these days. And it’s rich and poor, although I noticed rich girls do it more because they have more opportunity to do so and tend to be less religious and more into fun/socializing/fashion/guys.

Horrendous. arghh.

[geminifromkhi]

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@Sehrysh

There are more Pakistanis sinning in Pakistan, then non-Resident Pakistanis sinning abroad, khush? Did I get the answer right?

Mind you, neither you nor I have access to a statistical evidence, but hey - your guess or assumption (or baseless accusation) is as good as mine, and if we have to come up with a stat or quantification, then mine seems fair

Yes sahi jawab, ye 800 cc car aapki hui!

[geminifromkhi]

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@pak2015

Yeah but I’m saying it’s interrelated

Sure is. One vice leads to another

[queserasera]

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@geminifromkhi

Go through my other posts, I have never apologized this much in life:P My intention wasnt to hurt anyone.

Oh I had a MATLAB book, gotta look for it!

Thats why i wrote you had no intentions of hurting anyone. Going by your posts, you’re alright :k: What i’ve observed is that even though your heart is in the right place ppl tend to get hurt by generalisations and -ve judgement. But as pak2015 said criticism can be healthy too.

[geminifromkhi]

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@queserasera

Thats why i wrote you had no intentions of hurting anyone. Going by your posts, you’re alright :k: What i’ve observed is that even though your heart is in the right place ppl tend to get hurt by generalisations and -ve judgement. But as pak2015 said criticism can be healthy too.

Truee

[Reha]

Re: Morals and \ethics of Pakistanis living abroad

@geminifromkhi

How many do you think are doing it in the us compared to pak?

You can be defensive or you can be realistic.

This is kind of an example…where the actual suggestion of things gets people really upset. If it happens, it happens behind closed doors and whatnot but its never talked about.

Now if you’re comparing US Pakistanis to PAK then I have to say…I’d say its pretty even. Families here are much more conservative than people in Pakistan think because the older generation was so stuck in their ways (in a good way)…they didn’t want to assimilate completely. Average people here don’t walk around in bikinis on a daily basis. Yes there are modern ones though just like there are in Pakistan. No difference.

[Reha]

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Just ask the younger Pakistani parents on this forum how they’re raising their kids in the US…are their kids dressing in mini skirts and hanging out with boys in dark hallways? Are their boys running around impregnating teenagers?

[Reha]

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@geminifromkhi

At least I will think a thousand times before marrying someone from UK/USA now. Especially after the claims that most guys there are like that.

Did you know that most people in the US are wary of going to Pakistan to marry because of green card scams? Men and women alike.

These are what I’ve heard from my friends:

I don’t want to teach my wife how to use a vending machine (honest…this is what he said)

Do the girls use deodorant?

What if the guy is backward?

These are not my opinions - merely using as examples.

There are fears on both sides actually to be honest…not just one. If I were you, I’d stick to what I know - which is in Pakistan. But realize that what you hear is the negative…just like the stuff I posted is the negative. You have no reason to hear the positive because its not juicy gossip.

[Southie]

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@SID_NY

Please name one nation in which there are poeple who dont make any mistakes?

Bharatvarsh during Sundarakandam

[Southie]

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One more Arithmetic issue.

50 person time 9 is 450. That is one day. Now calculate the number per month. Use a 8x multiplier tl account for overlap. Calculate over a year. Use 2x multiplier. Calculate for last 6 years. Use 2x multiplier. Or 32x.

32 tike ur 0.05 is 1.8 pct. Closer to the 1 pct I came up with.

By the way, whither the markets?

[SaeedinPakistan]

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@Reha

You can be defensive or you can be realistic.

This is kind of an example…where the actual suggestion of things gets people really upset. If it happens, it happens behind closed doors and whatnot but its never talked about.

Now if you’re comparing US Pakistanis to PAK then I have to say…I’d say its pretty even. Families here are much more conservative than people in Pakistan think because the older generation was so stuck in their ways (in a good way)…they didn’t want to assimilate completely. Average people here don’t walk around in bikinis on a daily basis. Yes there are modern ones though just like there are in Pakistan. No difference.

Them shorts though :D. You don’t see any legs in Pakistani, like never :(.