Hmmmm…well I’d like to add my voice too but this time it’s regarding the non-shias.
I was around 14 years old and in urdu class my teacher read a Chapter called “Shaheeday Karbala”. I am not a very good student in urdu…in my class I am usually the ones in the class who get the last 4-5 position in class. Still I was paying great attention to what was being read since I had knowledge of the events of Karbala. The chapter wasn’t in much detail.it mention Ali Asghar’s shahadat and Imam Hussain’s (as)Shahadat as far as I can remember.
Our teacher was reading this chapter when she stopped suddenly and everyone looked to see why. She continued again and stopped again. This time a longer pause..at all times…she was concentrating on the book. She continued reading the chapter again..this time she did stop again but it was through the bursting of tears. My classmates were amazed. The teacher stopped crying and continued reading and stopped again..again a pause by now I was seeing my classmates (some of whom I called as friends) had started laughing. “What’s she crying for?” they said, beaming around tying to please each other and joining in smiling and laughing. These were the people whose urdu is better than me. I bet they knew what a shaheed was. Some of those who were smiling were top in urdu. There were 4 people who weren’t smiling or laughing out of the 16 ppl in class. 4 people included me, my non-shia close friend (whom I warned her not to laugh or smile) another shia friend and the teacher. They were bold enough to ask if I or the other shia friend were crying, which we weren’t especially coz I was observing our classmates response..
It’s okay if only one person laughed, two is also acceptable, three can also be understandable but 4..5…6…7…8…9…10…11…12….COME ON WHAT THE HELL! If there was anyone else in my place may have got up and had smashed their teeth.
I regret I did/say nothing to them…what I did was give a book to my close friend regarding the events of Karbala. I still don’t understand this incident but I thought I would share it here…:rotato:
Re: Month Of Muharram - Shia Bashing In This Forum
You did the best thing.
It could be you classmates weren’t amused at the reading of waqia of Kerbala but at the crying teacher. Kids can be very insensitive especially when they don’t understand
Probably the reason they were surprised is that Muslims are taught that their Shuhada are alive and Allah (SWT) has promised them a reward that not even the imagination can conceive. And that too, one of the most magnificent examples of Martyrdom like Hazrat Hussain (RA) and Hazrat Hassan (RA). Are you kidding me?
Sura Aal -'Imraan (The family of Imraan)
3 Ayat 169 to 171
[3:169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;
[3:170] Rejoicing in what Allah has given them out of His grace and they rejoice for the sake of those who, (being left) behind them, have not yet joined them, that they shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve.
[3:171] They rejoice on account of favor from Allah and (His) grace, and that Allah will not waste the reward of the believers.
Get it? They rejoice...That means all your mourning and weeping actually does their joy of Shahadat more harm by hurting them...:)
The "Bani Israel" prolly didn't even follow the same calendar back then so how can someone know for sure it was the same day .. except from fancy stories written to create doubts and introduce new things into religion.
There are several hadiths regarding Ashora being the day when bani israel got rid of Pheroah and when Prophet SAW came to Madina he asked about it and when he was told the significance. He said We are more close to Musa A.S than anyone else. So thats how the Ashora started in Islamic society and also the fasting on either 9 and 10th or 10th and 11th. Just posting what we know from hadith books, not my personal opinion.
But celebrating ashora with happiness is not acceptable for majority of Sunni. Since Hussain R.A's is more close to us than Musa A.S. It is simple and straight forward. We feel grief and sadness on this day but do not celebrate as shia do, and that is the difference among to sects. And shiaz also know that majority of sunniz or I would say 'sahi ul aqeeda' sunniz feel the same way shiaz do for the tragedy of karbala..but the difference is in expressing. Shiaz go on extreme and hurt themselves (thats their choice, no argument, as its a tradition not a part of religion) and sunni do fatiah and zikr or quran khawani for shuada.
lajawab we cry because of they way they were martyred...when they killed Hazrat Ali Asghar he was only 6 month old..imagine how Imam Hussain (as) took him back to His mom..imagine how that mom felt..they buried Hazrat Ali Asghar but imagine how his mom would have felt when she saw His head on a spear next morning
imagine Imam Ali's (as) daughter going through the bazaar of Shaam without hijab on her head..someone asked Imam Zainul Abideen (as), where He suffered the most and He said Shaam Shaam Shaam ..ek nauha yaad aa gaya:
parda duniya ko sikhanay waali..ayee bazaaro main Zainab
ghar say bahar bhi naa aanay waali..ayee baazaro main Zainab
There are conflicting stories about this (so what's new). One says the Jews were celebrating the other says they were fasting..
PICK ONE..
sholay bhai jaan there is something called the burden of proof.... u come out with an assertion.. you back it up... just saying something is true doesn't make it.
Sad events indeed and ofcourse distressful to many of us. some show it by wailing, some by praying, and meditating, some by hitting themselves which I personally dont really understand.
but what do we do at other sad events? I dont think I have heard of anything, do we do anything close to than then?
do people cry on teh days that the prophet's sons died in infancy? or when he was pelted with stones in taif? or when his uncle was killed and his body desecrated? or even when the prophet passed away?
what about when others were martyred, Hazrat Osman for one, Hazrat hassan for another one.
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14 year olds wereprobably just amused at their teacher breaking out. Had she slipped and fallen they woukd have done the same.
I have never bashed a shia in my life I feel like left out :D Ok I am gona join the crowd.. lol.. Now tell me where can I find a shia? What do they look like how do they eat, drink, walk, laugh, cry, blah blah blah...
Get it? They rejoice...That means all your mourning and weeping actually does their joy of Shahadat more harm by hurting them...:)
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And how does it hurt them... Nothing wrong in crying its natural man ! ! !
There are lot of incidents that happened on Muhurrum besides the shadat of Holy Imam Hussain A.S.
the thing that hurted Imam Zain-ul-Abedin A.S.... was when the ladies of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. were been taking in bazars without rida, Look at other things that happened... How can you celebrate this... Celebrate that it was the family Of Prophet who had to suffer to save the Islam..... Its insane man....
If you cannot cry for the shaheed... why did Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H made gum for his Uncle Hazrat Hamza... Why didnt he celebrate his shadat?
To Cry doesnt have anything to do with believing a shaheed is not dead... To cry is a natural instict... I am sorry not every one is that stone hearted man
If you cannot cry for the shaheed... why did Holy Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H made gum for his Uncle Hazrat Hamza... Why didnt he celebrate his shadat?
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how did the prophet mourn his uncle's death? i mean in which manner, and for how many years. I would like to know. Thanks
I dont know, i am just trying to learn here. do you know the answer to that question?
You brought in the point of th eprophet mourning for his uncle, so I am just trying to learn a bit more by understanding how did the prophet mourn and for how long.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me the answer.
You raised Hazrat Hamza R.A's shahada and Prophet's mourning. Please let us know for how long Prophet did the mourning.
And most importantly did he used to mourn on the same day of Uhad battle every year??? Did he ? We know of that he used to go out to the Uhad field for fatiah on 15th of Shabaan as he did in Janat-ul-baqi and ma'ala.
I mean we can mourn or do fatiah in case of sunniz at any time in year. Why specifically on 10th of Moharram? Any sunni or shia references to mourn or fatiah for shuhada on ashura ?
Another thing is which is very common in Sunniz too (even one of my aunt told me) to not to do any shopping (other than the grocery) during the first 10 or 13 days of Moharram as it could be count as a sign of happiness or celebration and Allah will punish. I am just asking generally that if you have heard this kind of thing and what is the basis of it.
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*Originally posted by sholay: *
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Burden of Proof. Correct.
You've just hit the nail on it's head.
I will use the A'Hadeeth for my burden of proof and you can counter it not using A'Hadeeth.
Is that fair?
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very fair sholay.. bring me some story that has been verified by at least two people at source all the way down.. i'll gladly accept.
not to derail the thread.. let's just solve the issue of fasting on 10th Muharram ...
so what's the verdict.. were the Jews fasting or celebrating??
When people can cry watching shahrukh khan dying in devdas, I wonder what happens to them while listening the treagedy of karbala. I dont find any amusment in that tragedy....
These were the people whose urdu is better than me. I bet they knew what a shaheed was. Some of those who were smiling were top in urdu. There were 4 people who weren’t smiling or laughing out of the 16 ppl in class. 4 people included me, my non-shia close friend (whom I warned her not to laugh or smile) another shia friend and the teacher. They were bold enough to ask if I or the other shia friend were crying, which we weren’t especially coz I was observing our classmates response..
If there was anyone else in my place may have got up and had smashed their teeth.