Mom given custody back..

[NomiCA]

so this was in the news recently…

LAHORE, Feb 17: Justice Manzoor Ahmad Malik of the Lahore High Court on Friday handed over an 11-year-old girl to her French mother.The court passed the order on a petition filed by French national Ingrid Branden Burger who sought custody of her daughter, Amina.Earlier, the police produced the girl before the court after recovering her from the custody of her father. Amina’s grandfather and uncle were also present in court.Weeping bitterly, the girl refused to go with her mother but the court ordered to hand over the girl to her mother.Ingrid Branden submitted that she married a Pakistani, Abdul Razzaq, in France and a girl, Amina, was born to her. However, after some time the relations between them did not remain cordial and eventually she was divorced but Razzaq returned to Pakistan and illegally took the girl along with him, she said.She pointed out that a French court had already granted ruling in her favour regarding the girl’s custody.The petitioner submitted that a local guardian court of Mandi Bahauddin also decided the case in her favour but Razzaq went into hiding along with the girl.She pleaded that directions be issued to recover the girl and her custody be handed over to her.The LHC also upheld the previous decisions and ordered to hand over the girl to her mother.Razzaq could not appear before the court as he was hospitalised.—AP

will the kid be able live with her mom and happy ever after,??
it really in the best interest of the child??
could she reconcile with her etc??
since she ain’t little baby..she is 11 already…

[Nisha25]

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i don't know why wouldnt a child want to be around her mother too. it's wrong of any parent to take full custody of a child that was born to both. i dont really agree that the mother should get full custody but do you see how wrong the father was to just kidnap her and he must be delusional to think that she only belongs to him. very very childish on the part of the father, now he wont see her even half of the time which he would have been granted with joint custody but with the whole drama of stealing her and hiding her in another country away from her mother lost him even that.

she will be able to adjust with her mother, why wouldnt she, will take time for her to get used to the situation though since it looks like shes been heavily brainwashed by the father against the mother by the big drama that the media is showing here. why else would a child be so dramatic when she's going back to her mother

[Mehnaz]

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How old was the child when the father removed her from France? What year was the child taken? This can’t be recent as the mother had to go through the Government and then the Pakistani court system which, I am guessing, took at least 3 or 4 years.

I am trying to find a non-Pakistani article on this but I can’t. I say non-Pakistani (meaning European or French) because the Pakistani articles seem to lack a lot of important information pertaining to the questions I asked above.

Edit: Ok I found one article.

Burger said the petitioner had “secretly” brought the girl to Pakistan in 2005 after she had been granted the child’s custody by a French court. She said she had then filed another custody case in a family court in Pakistan, where again she was granted the custody. Razzaq’s appeal against the order was dismissed in 2008, but he still did not let go and in 2009 filed a petition before the LHC seeking court directions in his favour.

Custody row: French mother handed Pakistani daughter | The Express Tribune

So for nearly 7 years the girl has been kept away from her mother. She was taken away from her mother when she was 4 years old. What must it have been like for a 4 year old girl to be taken to a foreign place where she does not get to see her mother? She was not an 11 year old then - she was 4. Frankly, if any of you have kids, you will see a huge problem with this.

The father not only broke the law in France, but breached a court order issued in Pakistan as well.

This comment sums it up quite nicely:

*Her father kidnapped her. She is clearly brain washed by her father and other relatives. How can a daughter say that she will not go with a “WHITE” woman? Is being a “WHITE” a crime? How can a daughter who is perhaps 10 years old say that she will not go with a “CHRISTIAN” woman? Is having a religion other than Islam a crime? Can a 10 years old is old enough to say that? Did her mother harm her or her father? No! she did not harm them. They were her father’s “WORDS” not her own. Her crimes are that she is “WHITE” and “CHRISTIAN“.

I do not like the way ARY News and other channels are showing it to people.*

If the issue is now about the fact that the girl is going to become Christian, the father should have thought about that before moving to France and shaking up with a French woman and creating a child with her. He also should have thought about what Islam says about taking a 4 year old child away from her mother, by force.

[Muzna]

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@Mehnaz

How old was the child when the father removed her from France? What year was the child taken? This can’t be recent as the mother had to go through the Government and then the Pakistani court system which, I am guessing, took at least 3 or 4 years.

I am trying to find a non-Pakistani article on this but I can’t. I say non-Pakistani (meaning European or French) because the Pakistani articles seem to lack a lot of important information pertaining to the questions I asked above.

Edit: Ok I found one article.

Burger said the petitioner had “secretly” brought the girl to Pakistan in 2005 after she had been granted the child’s custody by a French court. She said she had then filed another custody case in a family court in Pakistan, where again she was granted the custody. Razzaq’s appeal against the order was dismissed in 2008, but he still did not let go and in 2009 filed a petition before the LHC seeking court directions in his favour.

Custody row: French mother handed Pakistani daughter – The Express Tribune

So for nearly 7 years the girl has been kept away from her mother. She was taken away from her mother when she was 4 years old. What must it have been like for a 4 year old girl to be taken to a foreign place where she does not get to see her mother? She was not an 11 year old then - she was 4. Frankly, if any of you have kids, you will see a huge problem with this.

The father not only broke the law in France, but breached a court order issued in Pakistan as well.

This comment sums it up quite nicely:

*Her father kidnapped her. She is clearly brain washed by her father and other relatives. How can a daughter say that she will not go with a “WHITE” woman? Is being a “WHITE” a crime? How can a daughter who is perhaps 10 years old say that she will not go with a “CHRISTIAN” woman? Is having a religion other than Islam a crime? Can a 10 years old is old enough to say that? Did her mother harm her or her father? No! she did not harm them. They were her father’s “WORDS” not her own. Her crimes are that she is “WHITE” and “CHRISTIAN“.

I do not like the way ARY News and other channels are showing it to people.*

If the issue is now about the fact that the girl is going to become Christian, the father should have thought about that before moving to France and shaking up with a French woman and creating a child with her. He also should have thought about what Islam says about taking a 4 year old child away from her mother, by force.

this.
nothing more.

[Paheli00]

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@Mehnaz

How old was the child when the father removed her from France? What year was the child taken? This can’t be recent as the mother had to go through the Government and then the Pakistani court system which, I am guessing, took at least 3 or 4 years.

I am trying to find a non-Pakistani article on this but I can’t. I say non-Pakistani (meaning European or French) because the Pakistani articles seem to lack a lot of important information pertaining to the questions I asked above.

Edit: Ok I found one article.

Burger said the petitioner had “secretly” brought the girl to Pakistan in 2005 after she had been granted the child’s custody by a French court. She said she had then filed another custody case in a family court in Pakistan, where again she was granted the custody. Razzaq’s appeal against the order was dismissed in 2008, but he still did not let go and in 2009 filed a petition before the LHC seeking court directions in his favour.

Custody row: French mother handed Pakistani daughter – The Express Tribune

So for nearly 7 years the girl has been kept away from her mother. She was taken away from her mother when she was 4 years old. What must it have been like for a 4 year old girl to be taken to a foreign place where she does not get to see her mother? She was not an 11 year old then - she was 4. Frankly, if any of you have kids, you will see a huge problem with this.

The father not only broke the law in France, but breached a court order issued in Pakistan as well.

This comment sums it up quite nicely:

*Her father kidnapped her. She is clearly brain washed by her father and other relatives. How can a daughter say that she will not go with a “WHITE” woman? Is being a “WHITE” a crime? How can a daughter who is perhaps 10 years old say that she will not go with a “CHRISTIAN” woman? Is having a religion other than Islam a crime? Can a 10 years old is old enough to say that? Did her mother harm her or her father? No! she did not harm them. They were her father’s “WORDS” not her own. Her crimes are that she is “WHITE” and “CHRISTIAN“.

I do not like the way ARY News and other channels are showing it to people.*

If the issue is now about the fact that the girl is going to become Christian, the father should have thought about that before moving to France and shaking up with a French woman and creating a child with her. He also should have thought about what Islam says about taking a 4 year old child away from her mother, by force.

^ Very well put!

I found it interesting that the 11 year old is saying that she doesn’t want to go with a “white” woman. Did the father and her other care takesr bother to teach her that she herself is half-white and NOTHING can change that?

I also find it unbelievable that the “loving” father isn’t there consoling his daughter. I’ve seen custody battles where one side loses and the kids completely freak out (just like in this situation). I’ve also seen the “losing parents” put aside his/her own feelings and CONSOLE the child and help the child understand that despite the court ruling and change in the child’s enviornment…and the child will remain safe and he/she will be well-taken care of by the other parent. Despite the legal issues…where is the father in this situation HELPING his daughter remain calm?!

The father was selfish when he abducted the daughter. And now he’s being selfish by hiding while his daughter is being put on public display for all to discuss. This entire matter could’ve been handled different if he had chosen to put his daughter’s needs first and work WITH the biological mother instead of making the mother his enemy.

[Monk]

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@Mehnaz

How old was the child when the father removed her from France? What year was the child taken? This can’t be recent as the mother had to go through the Government and then the Pakistani court system which, I am guessing, took at least 3 or 4 years.

I am trying to find a non-Pakistani article on this but I can’t. I say non-Pakistani (meaning European or French) because the Pakistani articles seem to lack a lot of important information pertaining to the questions I asked above.

Edit: Ok I found one article.

Burger said the petitioner had “secretly” brought the girl to Pakistan in 2005 after she had been granted the child’s custody by a French court. She said she had then filed another custody case in a family court in Pakistan, where again she was granted the custody. Razzaq’s appeal against the order was dismissed in 2008, but he still did not let go and in 2009 filed a petition before the LHC seeking court directions in his favour.

Custody row: French mother handed Pakistani daughter – The Express Tribune

So for nearly 7 years the girl has been kept away from her mother. She was taken away from her mother when she was 4 years old. What must it have been like for a 4 year old girl to be taken to a foreign place where she does not get to see her mother? She was not an 11 year old then - she was 4. Frankly, if any of you have kids, you will see a huge problem with this.

The father not only broke the law in France, but breached a court order issued in Pakistan as well.

This comment sums it up quite nicely:

*Her father kidnapped her. She is clearly brain washed by her father and other relatives. How can a daughter say that she will not go with a “WHITE” woman? Is being a “WHITE” a crime? How can a daughter who is perhaps 10 years old say that she will not go with a “CHRISTIAN” woman? Is having a religion other than Islam a crime? Can a 10 years old is old enough to say that? Did her mother harm her or her father? No! she did not harm them. They were her father’s “WORDS” not her own. Her crimes are that she is “WHITE” and “CHRISTIAN“.

I do not like the way ARY News and other channels are showing it to people.*

If the issue is now about the fact that the girl is going to become Christian, the father should have thought about that before moving to France and shaking up with a French woman and creating a child with her. He also should have thought about what Islam says about taking a 4 year old child away from her mother, by force.

mudaee sust gawah chust…

ok reapeat after me “mother gave the girl back”

You women are hopeless…

[Muzna]

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^ ??

[Mehnaz]

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mudaee sust gawah chust....

ok reapeat after me "mother gave the girl back"

You women are hopeless....

Actually the Pakistani quam is hopeless for glorifying the abduction of this child at the age of 4 under the guise of Islam. It amazes me that you see nothing wrong with that, but then again, you are not a parent.

What's even more disgusting about the media is that only one article out of several mentions that she was illegally and forcefully removed from France in 2005. He also had this child out of wedlock. As far as I know, having sex outside of marriage is a big no-no.

The articles all focus on the fact that she's 11 and crying for her father. The articles do not mention that the child has been cut off from her mother since 2005 and that the mother has gone through 3 different court systems (French court, village court in Pakistan and then the family court in Pakistan) to get her child.

[Muzna]

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another clip…
showing some more

[NomiCA]

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@Paheli00

^

I also find it unbelievable that the “loving” father isn’t there consoling his daughter. I’ve seen custody battles where one side loses and the kids completely freak out (just like in this situation). I’ve also seen the “losing parents” put aside his/her own feelings and CONSOLE the child and help the child understand that despite the court ruling and change in the child’s enviornment…and the child will remain safe and he/she will be well-taken care of by the other parent. Despite the legal issues…where is the father in this situation HELPING his daughter remain calm?!

The father was selfish when he abducted the daughter. And now he’s being selfish by hiding while his daughter is being put on public display for all to discuss. This entire matter could’ve been handled different if he had chosen to put his daughter’s needs first and work WITH the biological mother instead of making the mother his enemy.

come on now…you wrote all that without even reading carefully…
that sounds like a premeditated response…

here it is for you again..the bold red part near the end.

LAHORE, Feb 17: Justice Manzoor Ahmad Malik of the Lahore High Court on Friday handed over an 11-year-old girl to her French mother.The court passed the order on a petition filed by French national Ingrid Branden Burger who sought custody of her daughter, Amina.Earlier, the police produced the girl before the court after recovering her from the custody of her father. Amina’s grandfather and uncle were also present in court.Weeping bitterly, the girl refused to go with her mother but the court ordered to hand over the girl to her mother.Ingrid Branden submitted that she married a Pakistani, Abdul Razzaq, in France and a girl, Amina, was born to her. However, after some time the relations between them did not remain cordial and eventually she was divorced but Razzaq returned to Pakistan and illegally took the girl along with him, she said.She pointed out that a French court had already granted ruling in her favour regarding the girl’s custody.The petitioner submitted that a local guardian court of Mandi Bahauddin also decided the case in her favour but Razzaq went into hiding along with the girl.She pleaded that directions be issued to recover the girl and her custody be handed over to her.The LHC also upheld the previous decisions and ordered to hand over the girl to her mother.Razzaq could not appear before the court as he was hospitalised.—AP

[Mehnaz]

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^ He apparently had a heart attack before the final decision was made in Court.

[Muzna]

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@Mehnaz

^ He apparently had a heart attack before the final decision was made in Court.

I just can’t imagine any child, particularly a female child, kicking up such a fuss unless there has been some brainwashing involved.

[Mehnaz]

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cases like this make me so angry …

[UZ]

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After this much fighting, I hope mom will give child a lot of love, better environment and a better home.

This arouse another question in my mind what will be child's religion in future right now she is muslim but what will she do next? Since she is 11 years old she will remember everything and its really hard. Tough situation.

[Paheli00]

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@NomiCA

come on now…you wrote all that without even reading carefully…
that sounds like a premeditated response…

here it is for you again..the bold red part near the end.

My apologies. Yes, I just re-read the bold part and read what Mehnaz wrote. Father has a good reason for not being there.

So in that case…I guess the responsibility falls to the grandfather (who seems quite busy defending his son’s behavior to the press) and other members of the father’s family. While the father is in the hospital…who from HIS family is consoling the girl while she’s having a complete mental meltdown? The 2 videos I watched…I definately don’t see the grandfather doing anything to calm down the girl.

And I still stand by my statement that the father and other members of his family could have handled this “transition” better. Her reaction would not be this extreme if she had been prepared better by the father’s family. The words coming out of the girl’s mouth as she’s being carried away…11 year old’s don’t have “views” like that on their own UNLESS they heard other adults around her making those comments.

None of the information so far says anything about any abuse or mistreatment from the mother towards the daughter. There is no reason for the daughter to have such nasty attitude towards her mother other than the father/his family brainwashing her since her abduction.

But hey…then again NONE of this would be happening if the father hadn’t abducted the daughter in the first place.

[canadiandesigirl]

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So, what is the purpose of this thread?

[Monk]

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Actually the Pakistani quam is hopeless for glorifying the abduction of this child at the age of 4 under the guise of Islam. It amazes me that you see nothing wrong with that, but then again, you are not a parent.

What's even more disgusting about the media is that only one article out of several mentions that she was illegally and forcefully removed from France in 2005. He also had this child out of wedlock. As far as I know, having sex outside of marriage is a big no-no.

The articles all focus on the fact that she's 11 and crying for her father. The articles do not mention that the child has been cut off from her mother since 2005 and that the mother has gone through 3 different court systems (French court, village court in Pakistan and then the family court in Pakistan) to get her child.

dude so what is your excuse for being hopeless?

There is a kid a, a fater and a mother.... through 2 courts.
Both courts did the right thing.
Then eventually mother decided to leave kid with the father.

I don't what resident V-monologists have any thing to do with it ?????
hopeless!!

[Mehnaz]

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What are you talking about Monk? The mother has not handed the child back to the father.

The father's lawyers are getting the CJ of Pakistan involved and want him to stop the mother from flying out with her child. She has not given the child back to the father. There are no news stories that she has given the child back to her father.

Even if she does, the girl has been heavily brainwashed and mostlikely hates her mother now thanks to father.

Yet again, it amazes me that you do not care about the fact that this child was taken away when she was 4 years old. She has been in hiding with her father since 2008. What kind of psychological effects did all of this have on her? What kind of things was the father saying to her about her mother to make her react the way she did?

[Monk]

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dude.. I said it was right decision to give child to mother, if mother was stable.

Title says "mom gave child back" unless nomi made this up :ASA:

[canadiandesigirl]

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lol Monk, it says "Mom GIVEN custody back" not "Mom GAVE custody back"

Let's :ASA: Nomi for his poor angraizi.