Is Mohammed’s personal life a guide for all Muslims to follow. Or is the Quran the only guide to be strictly followed.
Mohammedans seem to be the ones who worship the prophet mohammed, and try to follow & copy his life. Whereas the followers of Islam only rely on the Quran.
Do you agree with these views, if not why not?
Re: Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.
There is no SINGLE soul on this planet earth and heavens above who will declare it being the worshipper of Muhammad 
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Those who claim that Quran is enough and Prophet Muhammad’s ( ) personal life is not needed to be a muslim, the answer is RIGHT in the VERY book they claim to follow:
33:21 Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah **a beautiful pattern (of conduct) **[Uswaah-e-Hassanaa] for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah.
Uswaah-e-hassanaa refers to day to day way of life.
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Imitating a chosen man of God’s actions so as to cultivate the inner spirit he had is a FAR cry from worshipping him!
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The Quran is a code of ethics…The Sunnah is the code of conduct…
You will not be questioned if you fail the code of conduct however you will be called to account for the code of ethics…
But, the code of ethics is very hard to follow without the code of conduct…
P.S. Anyone who worships Mohammed :saw: is not a Muslim…
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There couldn't have been M the prophet without M the man. So there's really no distinction possible.
If you start making such distinctions then how would anyone know which of his utterances are Islam and which are just that of a fallible person?
A prophet has the credit and
responsibility for all his actions and sayings.
Re: Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.
Is Mohammed's personal life a guide for all Muslims to follow. Or is the Quran the only guide to be strictly followed.
Mohammedans seem to be the ones who worship the prophet mohammed, and try to follow & copy his life. Whereas the followers of Islam only rely on the Quran.
Do you agree with these views, if not why not?
I think AQ answered the question right from the Quran itself. Though just to add more, your question is flawed because it assumes Muhammad SAW personal conduct was different from the Quranic ethics and requirements.
No one worships Muhammad SAW is another wrong assumption. Please do not attribute things which are not true. Islam has no place for worship of anything else other than One God i.e. Allah SWT.
Muhammad SAW was a walkng, talking and living Quran, So if anyone copies him, he is still following the Quran. And yes, it does not mean we start living in 7th century Arabia either.
Please first learn about Islam before you start a conversation about it as if you know what you are saying. If you are here for academic curiosity then ask questions about whether what is right or what is wrong. Please do not make statements which make it look like what you are saying is a fact.
So I do not agree with the question to begin with. Please get the question correct first?
Re: Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.
Good question that is becoming increasingly necessay - just looking at some of the threads active right now.
In one thread there's a question raging about the Zaid Zainab affair and M's role, motives and actions
In another somebody is questioning the difference amonst how muslims do and ought deal with other religions.
The underlying theme recurs in all these - should we associate some of the prophet's actions as a personal mortal thing and not bundle it with islam or should all his words and deeds be considered islam.
After looking at these threads imo islam is better of not being burdened with some of these acts which are, to say the least, controversial.
Ofcourse there are those from the 6th century that believe questioning anything M is wrong and would call for beheading!
If the prphet is not deemed different from islam and all of his words and deeds are to be considered islam as some less-educated will have it, it creates major problems. Because if prophet and religion are the same, then muslims have to follow teachings of Jesus or stop arguoing that it is older than M!
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Your still here. Anyway, just thought I’d stop by and say Hello. And say something about one of your paragraphs (I’ve emboldened it).
No we should not associate every mortal moment of his life with Islam but this is not enough to set a premises for throwing out things at will when we are unable to correlate them out of a lack of knowledge.
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No we should not associate every mortal moment of his life with Islam but this is not enough to set a premises for throwing out things at will when we are unable to correlate them out of a lack of knowledge.
Or is it enough to include things at will due to lack of knowledge?
What limits/rules/criteria did God set up to include post-Quranic teachings as part of Islam? The only form of revelation (divine wisdom) was the Quran. The practice of following hadith and sunnah is a man-made practice. Man decided which hadith, teachings, sunnah to include as part of the religion. No where in the Quran does it say in to follow a whole separate set of religoius teachings (revealed by someone other than God no less).
Of course Muslims believe they only worship the one God - that's the most basic tenant of the faith - so it's understandable that a Muslim would say that it's ridulous to say they worship the prophet. Even insulting. But it has become such a built-in part of the way the faith is practiced that isn't seen a such. Even if it's not "worship", it's not treating the Quran as the sole, divine, untouched, unchangeable word of God. To follow the subjective teachings of hadith doesn't make Islam any different than what Muslims believe Christianity to be - following a religion that was not revealed by God.
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No body is saying Sunnah is wajib. But it is liked in the the sight of Allah, the almighty, the most mercifuly, that we act as His beloved Prophet(s) (PBUH) did. Everything the Prophets did was in accordance to Allah's command. So by following the Ahadith, what we try to accomplish is to follow the ways of our Beloved Prophet (PBUH) so that Allah may be pleased with us as well. Quran is the ultimate word of the Almighty, Allah. Hadith is the way of Prophet (PBUH), the person who delivered to us the book, the Holy Quran. They go hand-in-hand. If you respect Islam, its ways, and its teaching, respecting and shadowing the ways of the Prophet (PBUH) is a no brainer.
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Hi Semi
Or is it enough to include things at will due to lack of knowledge?
Point taken. Such things are called Biddah in a broad sense and understanding. The contention is mostly about things from the Sunnah because they cannot be termed Biddah as they occured during the life of the Prophet SAW. For such things authentication and research is required and correlation with injunctions in the Quran.
What limits/rules/criteria did God set up to include post-Quranic teachings as part of Islam? The only form of revelation (divine wisdom) was the Quran. The practice of following hadith and sunnah is a man-made practice. Man decided which hadith, teachings, sunnah to include as part of the religion. No where in the Quran does it say in to follow a whole separate set of religoius teachings (revealed by someone other than God no less).
Hadith are historical narratives of the life of Muhammad SAW though the collections do include some accounts of the first four Caliphs. So Hadith are not post-Quranic literature though their compilation in the mainstream is.
Of course Muslims believe they only worship the one God - that's the most basic tenant of the faith - so it's understandable that a Muslim would say that it's ridulous to say they worship the prophet. Even insulting. But it has become such a built-in part of the way the faith is practiced that isn't seen a such. Even if it's not "worship", it's not treating the Quran as the sole, divine, untouched, unchangeable word of God. To follow the subjective teachings of hadith doesn't make Islam any different than what Muslims believe Christianity to be - following a religion that was not revealed by God.
I would not deny that in certain cases it has taken the extreme but not in that they following the Prophet SAW but using their dogmatic adherence to it to justify tactics used to propagate their motives. It is still different from how it is in Christianity. There is no academic debate with such people.
Re: Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.
Is Mohammed's personal life a guide for all Muslims to follow. Or is the Quran the only guide to be strictly followed.
Mohammedans seem to be the ones who worship the prophet mohammed, and try to follow & copy his life. Whereas the followers of Islam only rely on the Quran.
Do you agree with these views, if not why not?
Depends on your definition of "guide".
The Quran is the Word of God, for muslims. So, if something is encouraged in the Quran, you should try and do it. If something is MANDATED in the Quran, you NEED to do it. If something is discouraged in the Quran, then you need to try to stay away from it. And if something is outright forbidden in the Quran, you NEED to stay away from it.
The Prophet's life, however, is more of a guide in the sense that you can refer to it, but you are not bound by divine law to it. There are many hadith that report the daily activities of the Prophet, but just because he did something a certain way, does not bind you to it. For example, he rode a camel, but that doesn't prohibit you from driving a car.
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PCG - The 'moderate' believes they are the true followers of Islam, they use their brain to distinguish between good & bad and live with the values of the 21st century.
Whereas the 'Jihadi/extremist' believes they are the true followers of Islam. They refuse to use their brains, parrot things by rote from the quran or life of Mohammed and strictly follow the views & values of the 6th century
Who determines what is to be followed from Mohammed's life and what is not to be followed. There lies the biggest problem.
That is why I think a distinction is warranted. Moderates are the true Muslims. The Jihadi/extremists are the mislead Mohammadens.
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That is why I think a distinction is warranted. Moderates are the true Muslims. The Jihadi/extremists are the mislead Mohammadens.
I parallel that ...thumbs up !
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Point taken. Such things are called Biddah in a broad sense and understanding. The contention is mostly about things from the Sunnah because they cannot be termed Biddah as they occured during the life of the Prophet SAW. For such things authentication and research is required and correlation with injunctions in the Quran.
They may have occured during the life of Muhammad, but they didn't become part of the religion until later when it was decided that God's message to follow the example of the prophet (follow the Quran only) really meant to exhalt Muhammad to the same level of Quran and consider everything he said as a man as relevant to the religion as what he said as a messenger.
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Hadith are historical narratives of the life of Muhammad SAW though the collections do include some accounts of the first four Caliphs. So Hadith are not post-Quranic literature though their compilation in the mainstream is.
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Of course they are post-Quranic. Allah's revelations are in the Quran. Anything that is part of the religion that is not in the Quran is post-Quranic.
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I would not deny that in certain cases it has taken the extreme but not in that they following the Prophet SAW but using their dogmatic adherence to it to justify tactics used to propagate their motives. It is still different from how it is in Christianity. There is no academic debate with such people.
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And there is no debate amongst Muslims (except for the small percentage of Muslims that follow the Quran only) that following hadith as if they were word of God is not what Muhammad intended when he preached to follow the Quran only. Instead, most tend to follow Quran (God) + Muhammad + his companions + early imams + mujtahids + later imams, etc.
Re: Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.
Quran itself speaks of this:
Al-Ahzab Chapter 33 : Verse 22
Verily, you have in the Prophet of Allah an excellent model, for him who hopes to meet Allah and the Last Day and who remembers Allah much.
They may have occured during the life of Muhammad, but they didn't become part of the religion until later when it was decided that God's message to follow the example of the prophet (follow the Quran only) really meant to exhalt Muhammad to the same level of Quran and consider everything he said as a man as relevant to the religion as what he said as a messenger.
Of course they are post-Quranic. Allah's revelations are in the Quran. Anything that is part of the religion that is not in the Quran is post-Quranic.
And there is no debate amongst Muslims (except for the small percentage of Muslims that follow the Quran only) that following hadith as if they were word of God is not what Muhammad intended when he preached to follow the Quran only. Instead, most tend to follow Quran (God) + Muhammad + his companions + early imams + mujtahids + later imams, etc.
Re: Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.
Quran itself speaks of this:
Al-Ahzab Chapter 33 : Verse 22
Verily, you have in the Prophet of Allah an excellent model, for him who hopes to meet Allah and the Last Day and who remembers Allah much.
Yes, because he lived by Quranic principles. That is the model, not everything he ever said or did as a man, a mortal, a normal human being. He followed God, not God (Quran) + prophet + his companions + early imams + mujtahids + later imams, etc.
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Who determines what is to be followed from Mohammed's life and what is not to be followed. There lies the biggest problem.
If you had even had a slight idea what prophet was like you wouldn't have said that.
For extremism All I have to say it also exist in follower in most peace full religions like Hinuism/Christianity.
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Yes, because he lived by Quranic principles. That is the model, not everything he ever said or did as a man, a mortal, a normal human being. He followed God, not God (Quran) + prophet + his companions + early imams + mujtahids + later imams, etc.
But think of this: why not simply throw a book down from heavens rather than reveal it to a man, a mortal, a normal human? the answer is that the word of God has always been revealed to pious deserving men who become role models for the followers of the message. Be it Moses, David, Krishna, Buddha, Jacob, Joseph, Ibrahim, Jesus, Muhammad (peace be upon them all). Their role is much bigger than just the revelation of a scripture.
In Mohammad(SA) we find a pious prophet, a truthful man, an honest trader, a sincere friend, a loving husband father and grandfather, a brave soldier, a wise leader, a skillful general and much more. Why should the followers of Quran not follow the example of this man?
Re: Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.
Is Mohammed's personal life a guide for all Muslims to follow. Or is the Quran the only guide to be strictly followed.
recite Quran, if you are blessed enough you will get your answer :)
Mohammedans seem to be the ones who worship the prophet mohammed, and try to follow & copy his life. Whereas the followers of Islam only rely on the Quran.
no. Muslims are only obliged to worship ALLAH SWT, and to do that they have to follow and respect teaching told to them by Muhammad PBUH (through Quran-e-pak and hadith-e-Mubarik)