Mohammed the man vs Mohammed the prophet.

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Zobia - your interpretations of the Quran are correct(for you), the interpretations of the extremist are correct (for them), each thinks they are the true followers of Islam.

The reality is that there are so many interpretations of quran, that there is no uniformity in beliefs. The emotions & hate generated by these minor differences has resulted in Muslims killing Muslims - in Pakistan, Iraq,Afganistan etc.

That is why it is critical to distinguish between True muslims (who only believe in the Quran) and the "Mohammadans" are, as Seminole said: most tend to follow Quran (God) + Muhammad + his companions + early imams + mujtahids + later imams, etc.

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u must be talking about the quraniyeen…
they r not even muslims and u call them true muslims?!?!? :rotfl:

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That is precisely the point. Some hardcore clerics have their own interpretations, Sufis have their own, and recently, there is one being endorsed by western critiques, their intentions are always suspect. I even heard a Hindu/Zen preacher giving her enlightened opinion of Islam. So who’s interpretation is correct?

We believe the only correct and balanced interpretation of Quran is that of Mohammad(SA). He(sa) shines as beacon of light in an ocean of darkness, and he knows Quran better than anyone.

Quran is truth. Verses in it will never change. With time new interpretations will come in different ages, and they all might be true at their time. For instance, two men are standing starring at the sun, one in the east, the other in the west.
One in east says "Sun is shinning in the west" while the man standing in west says "Sun is shinning in the east".
Even though both the statements seem to contradict each other yet they are both true!

After some time they both might say that the "sun is shinning in the west" and they will still be correct. Interesting thing is that Sun might not have even budged a millimeter, its the men whose circumstances have changed.

So truth is relative and must always be analyzed in its time, place and context. Nothing is stationary; everything changes with time.

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Nicely made point.

Hence Eashwar Allah theyrae naam!

Sri Rama Jayam

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They may be the only true Muslims as they are the only true followers of the Quran. They may end up having the last laugh.

Everyone is so quick to point out they believe in the oneness of Allah, but are just as quick to associate words from those other than Allah as “Islam”.

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Peace All

For the record I can't think of any situation where any of the life of Muhammad (SAW) cannot be taken as a basis for Islam. So on that basis ... evey mortal moment of the life of Muhammad (SAW) has a bearing on Islam. What he did, what he advised, what he did not do, what was recorded by his companions and so on. The things we don't know about ... we don't know about. What is encouraged and what obligatory what is forbidden and what should be avoided are the classifications that we need to look at in context to everything that was done by Muhammad (SAW) and his companions.

To be a Muslim one needs to believe in Allah (SWT) - i.e. Monotheism
But also needs to declare that Muhammad (SAW) is the Messenger of Allah (SWT) ... the Qur'an being the Word of God, the Sunnah being the implementation in it's best way. To reject the Sunnah is to reject the second part of that declaration.

How this is understood by the non-Muslims here is not my concern.

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As discussed in other recent threads ('Deeply Disturbed') some actions of the prophet are not to be emulated.

If every one of his acts is ok to emulate and repeat what will stop others to claim they had revelations too?

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Of course it isn't. If I belonged to a monolithic group of over a billion people that prided itself on following the perfect path laid out by God I don't think I would want to hear that it has been practiced the wrong way for centuries either. It doesn't mean those non-Muslims are wrong. They (we) can look at it objectively as opposed to being indoctrinated from an early age to the wrong interpretation.

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Anc why would it have to be only non-muslims that can look at this objectively? There are some but as I am realizing, a small minority

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That doesn't sound right at all, given some of the acts of the prophet are clearly wrong if anyone else repeats the same. Ofcourse you are saying 'basis for islam' and not 'repeatable by muslims', so to that extent it is a little better.

But I am wondering how something that is incorrect can be the basis of a widely followed religion. To call any human being perfect is incorrect isn't ?

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SC, one should learn to show respect to other’s faith. Was Muhammad:saw: perfect human being? myabe not, but he was as close as any human is ever going to be.
In addition, none of his actions are/were wrong and never will be. I will invite you to list the actions you perceive to be wrong, but I am afraid it is going to open up another useless discussion. However, feel free to do so.