Modi's party concedes Bihar elections

[OYMWA]

Narendra Modi’s party concedes defeat in Bihar election | World news | The Guardian

From the article:

Modi turned the election into a referendum on his leadership after he addressed at least 30 campaign rallies, a departure from tradition in state elections, which usually centre on local issues and regional leaders.

The poll came against a background of concern in India at incidents in which Muslims have been targeted by Hindu extremists. There have been protests by prominent intellectuals at what they call a climate of rising intolerance.

It is unclear to what extent such concerns are more widely shared, though defeat in Bihar may indicate that the BJP strategy of simultaneously stressing both development at a national level and using more sectarian rhetoric at a local level may be becoming less effective.

And implying that there is no real opposition to their policies now, at least, one analyst thinks..

Writing in the Hindustan Times, analyst Prashant Jha said a defeat for Modi’s BJP would mean the “return of the opposition” in India.
“The opposition will roar. Parliament will witness a renewed vigour. The setback will be used to attack BJP for both its willingness to turn a blind eye to religious chauvinism, as well as its failure to meet the promises of 2014. Narendra Modi will have to do a drastic review of operations in government,” Jha wrote.

[Southie]

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Was watching Ornob Goswamy show on the Bihar election. Probably filmed a week or so ago. There were circa 14 guests. And only 10 could fit on the screen at a time. Couldn't watch after 20 min. Ornob dominated the conversation. So could hardly get an idea of who the guests were and what their views were.

Assuming cumulative time for guests was 15 min out of the 1 hour show tike per guest 1 MIN.

[ReadMe]

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I think with the defeat India has proved the vitality of democracy. When Modi deviated from his development agenda and began focusing on religion related issues, his party was thrown out. The same people who voted for BJP in the Lok Sabha elections did not favor his party for the state.

The only sad part about the defeat is the victory of Laloo, a corrupt politician to the core.

[OYMWA]

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Laloo might be corrupt, but he is no murderer.

[KKF]

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Laloo might be corrupt, but he is no murderer.

Laaloo and Nitesh are achievers. Nitesh changed the face of Bihar and Laaloo turned the Indian Railways around from red to black. Indian Railways started making profits during his tenure as Railway Minister.

[ReadMe]

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^^
and stopped after he left

[the_kaur]

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Sometimes I wonder people of Delhi and others simply do not know anything about UP-Bihar politics :)

It is not politics of some ideology, it is Chonch and Jabda politics :)

[Anjul]

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Sometimes I wonder people of Delhi and others simply do not know anything about UP-Bihar politics :)

It is not politics of some ideology, it is Chonch and Jabda politics :)

no, time has changed and it is very much evident from this election. Junta these days don't go by bhashans or botal. The present election was all about preparations. Local parties like RJD Jad(u) started preps soon after general election. BJP had some communication gap with it's local leaders therefore misinterpreted public's mood and expectations. They understood but it was too late.

[ReadMe]

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I think BJP tried to polarize the voters based on religion and was overconfident. The way they handled the elections showed that development did not figure in their list of priorities and paid the price. I think it is time that the BJP does a serious introspection.

Sad part is that there is no alternative to BJP at the national level.

[Southie]

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BJP doing more introspection may be the deathnell for minorities

[OYMWA]

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BJP doing more introspection may be the deathnell for minorities

Interesting choice of words there... deathknell....

[Southie]

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Sorry abt spelling. Speaking if which is the correct usage spell the death knell?

[the_kaur]

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no, time has changed and it is very much evident from this election. Junta these days don't go by bhashans or botal. The present election was all about preparations. Local parties like RJD Jad(u) started preps soon after general election. BJP had some communication gap with it's local leaders therefore misinterpreted public's mood and expectations. They understood but it was too late.

The politics in UP-Bihar is about patronage and circulation of state patronage, it is not Delhi, where politics is of principles. It is Bihar, where politics is what it always was. A yadav will vote for Lalu, so that he can ask for state patronage to enroll his son in police. There is no fight for secularism as you may interpret.
Nitish promised Berozghari Bhatta of Rs 1000/month for 18 month. This is Bihar. Such offer have no value in Delhi.
If BJP ever got decimated it was Delhi and it was on principles instead of UP-Bihar type Chonch-Jabda politics.

[OYMWA]

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Unfortunately for India, the damage is already done. We can debate if it was principals or politics or what not, but when ordinary people take law in their hands and kill the innocent and government shows such a degree of apathy, it has gone too far. You will see the bigotry and hatred not just in the leaders, but in lynch mobs, on internet forums etc.; even Southie seem to think the minorities are down and sorta out. This is not like fiscal policy or foreign policy, where if Indians elect a non-fascist party, it can be rolled back. I know some of you try to throw out percentages of hate-mongers vs. peace-lovers etc., but am sorry to say, the hate-mongers are winning in India.

[lakkis25]

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Lalu and Nitesh are achievers. Nitesh changed the face of Bihar and Lalu turned the Indian Railways around from red to black. Indian Railways started making profits during his tenure as Railway Minister.

Lalu Never turned Red to Black, all the profit Numbers are manipulated by him, it was quite a surprise for Mamata when she took Railways after Lalu before becoming CM :-),

Bihar politics is more about Caste , 1 in every 4 MLA is Yadav , there are total 61 yadav's elected (and they still need reservation)

Public taught a good lesson for politicians who use hate politics for their success, even AIMIM (Majilis) didn't win a single seat, even where muslim population is more than 70%

Comparing to Lalu and Nitish there is no charismatic figure in Bihar BJP

[ReadMe]

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Unfortunately for India, the damage is already done. We can debate if it was principals or politics or what not, but when ordinary people take law in their hands and kill the innocent and government shows such a degree of apathy, it has gone too far. You will see the bigotry and hatred not just in the leaders, but in lynch mobs, on internet forums etc.; even Southie seem to think the minorities are down and sorta out. This is not like fiscal policy or foreign policy, where if Indians elect a non-fascist party, it can be rolled back. I know some of you try to throw out percentages of hate-mongers vs. peace-lovers etc., but am sorry to say, the hate-mongers are winning in India.

Please do not believe whatever the media says in terms of tolerance and all that crap. I was born a christian(though I am more of an agnostic now) and have never ever faced discrimination based on religion in India. I have a lot of Christian friends and they too would agree with me.

True there might be incidents of hatred here and there, but exceptions can never be an example. I agree there have been a few incidents of intolerance. Which country does'nt.

Southie for all I know does'nt live in India anymore. Though I am currently not in India, I travel there once every 3 months and have never been subjected to race hatred...

[ReadMe]

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The politics in UP-Bihar is about patronage and circulation of state patronage, it is not Delhi, where politics is of principles. It is Bihar, where politics is what it always was. A yadav will vote for Lalu, so that he can ask for state patronage to enroll his son in police. There is no fight for secularism as you may interpret. Nitish promised Berozghari Bhatta of Rs 1000/month for 18 month. This is Bihar. Such offer have no value in Delhi. If BJP ever got decimated it was Delhi and it was on principles instead of UP-Bihar type Chonch-Jabda politics.

Hate to agree with you on this one :D.

From another perspective the same people voted for BJP in the Lok Sabha elections while they consciously kept the BJP out this time. There should have been some logic to the turnaround apart from the caste equations.

[OYMWA]

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Please do not believe whatever the media says in terms of tolerance and all that crap. I was born a christian(though I am more of an agnostic now) and have never ever faced discrimination based on religion in India. I have a lot of Christian friends and they too would agree with me.

True there might be incidents of hatred here and there, but exceptions can never be an example. I agree there have been a few incidents of intolerance. Which country does'nt.

Southie for all I know does'nt live in India anymore. Though I am currently not in India, I travel there once every 3 months and have never been subjected to race hatred...

Frankly, this whole argument 'media is out to get us' is weak. Even if we discount the incidents about people on people violence, how can we ignore things which BJP leaders say about Muslims in general. Did media lie when they called Shah Rukh Khan a traitor? Did the media make up the story about award recipients returning awards to protest intolerance? And if intolerance is not on the rise, why are so many Indians alarmed? Also, it has not happened to you so far, does not mean it is not happening to others. Conversely if it happens to you, it will not mean it is happening to everyone. To an outsider looking in with any degree of interest, situation for minorities is deteriorating in India. It is a matter of time before people living in India will come to the same conclusion. Even Nazis enjoyed German support for a long time due to blind nationalism.

[ReadMe]

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Please understand that India is different. With a huge population there would definitely be rotten apples everywhere. BJP did not come to power solely based on religion. Development was the main point on the agenda.

Outsiders generally see what they want to see and do not understand reality. If you are looking with prejudice that is all what you will see unfortunately. The BJP MP was forced to withdraw his comments.

Also why did the award recipients return the awards. They were standing upto the government. Imagine something like this happening in other countries. These recipients would probably have been shot by their own security guards.

Media highlights only the bad incidents. They do not highlight the fact that there are more minorities living in India peacefully and thriving. While in other countries we see population of minorities being drastically reduced.

[OYMWA]

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Imagine something like this happening in other countries.** These recipients would probably have been shot by their own security guards.**

Media highlights only the bad incidents. They do not highlight the fact that there are more minorities living in India peacefully and thriving.** While in other countries we see population of minorities being drastically reduced.**

Now who is being prejudiced? And naive too.