Why is it that moderate Muslims are letting a fraction of fanatic idiots dictate there future and in turn have the world opinion of the greater Muslim Population in shambles.
We are (according to media) at a brink of war, why? Cause of some terrorist group decided that Abbas meeting Israel was not the right thing to do and it might help Palestinians put some food on there table.
Why isn’t the majority of Muslims who want to live in peace get rid of these terrorist?
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There is no such thing in Islam being a Moderate Muslim. You are either a muslim or you are not. Either Iman has entered your heart or it has not. Nothing in between.
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^ is that your opinion or fact,
secondly do you know what moderate Islam is.
show me where it says in Quran, don't give me some BS about a mullah or something.
also if there is no such thing as moderate Muslim then why is it that majority of Muslims who oppose this are not speaking up?
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First: that is my belief based on Quran
Second: yes I know what moderate Islam is: Interpretation of Islam based on how non-muslims want it.
I will show you from Quran but then again, will you believe in it or its context? You want to change the quran yourself as evident from your signature…
49:14] The desert Arabs say, “We believe.” Say, “Ye have no faith; but ye (only)say, ‘We have submitted our wills to Allah,’ For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey Allah and His Messenger, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.”
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how does that answer my question,
you have the theory of moderate muslim wrong, totally wrong.
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and what is the right theory?
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peaceful people, who use example not violence to teach others about Islam, who don't hate someone because they are of different religion. simple as that.
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Beautiful.
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That's a definition of a Muslim, not a moderate muslim. you are confused :P
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i guess i am, but i m not the one who is preaching killing of Jews and Americans to the rest of the world. majority of the Muslims are against terrorists and there propaganda. why is it that you as a Muslim (as you mentioned about my post) are not speaking against it?
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Moderate muslim?
is like between liberal and conservative muslims?
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Many Mod-Muslims like to drink, gamble, keep girlfriends/boyfriends e.t.c....
Is this the moderate Muslim you are talking about?
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Chapter 5:3
This day I have perfected my religion for you and complete my favour unto you and chosen for religion as Al - Islam
So if moderate muslims, believe in what was revealed 1400 years back as to the above verse.
The let them go ahead and behead the fanatics.
But the only reason I have provided the above verse is Allaah is perfected our religion 1400 years back, and that time he called us as Muslims. Ok the other higher level is Momin.
By the way if you have to say Moderate muslimes then you can call yourself one.
But dont let this fitnah spread.
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This day I have perfected my religion for you and complete my favour unto you and chosen for religion as Al - Islam
So if moderate muslims, believe in what was revealed 1400 years back as to the above verse. The let them go ahead and behead the fanatics. But the only reason I have provided the above verse is Allaah is perfected our religion 1400 years back, and that time he called us as Muslims. Ok the other higher level is Momin. By the way if you have to say Moderate muslimes then you can call yourself one. But dont let this fitnah spread.
I m sure you are the pious one, and i am the fitnah, but let your God be the judge of it, i still say that spreading hate and killing innocent is wrong doesn't matter who's religion you follow.
Lajawab, you can define Muslim as you want, if he doest fit your ideology then so be it, but are gonna condemn these idiots who are doing things in the name of Islam.
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Danial, u’ve got a nice name
u shouldnt be confused anymore;
the above criteria/definition fits our Holy Prophet :saw: perfectly!
He introduced Islam and was a Muslim;
no such thing as extremist/terrorist/moderate muslim back then, right!?
so it makes sense to say Muslims rather than moderate muslims!!
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Lajawab, you can define Muslim as you want, if he doest fit your ideology then so be it, but are gonna condemn these idiots who are doing things in the name of Islam.
Well Allaah is the right one, to judge but Allaah in the Quran is way of life, and Allaah is rightly written in the Quran the guidelines of Life.
No where Allaah is called us Moderate Muslims, if he is called us then I wont argue but you rechristen names then this is going to spread.
I will quote a small eg. Jews and Christians were Muslims shocked shouldnt be, no doubt they have been deviated to such an extent they are called Yahuda and Nasara in the Quran. This is the kind of deviation, i dont know whether I will go to Heaven or Hell but I k now that I am a Muslim.
Not a moderate muslim.
Give me unequivocal, statement Allaah is calling us Moderate Muslims.
When did we Muslims say we dont condemn those acts, tell me have we supported such Muslims the answer is hell No. Dont be so pernicious.
Qul hatoo burhanakum in quntum sadiqeen.
Bring me the proof if your truthful.
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Danial-
Can you please identify /enlist those people who in your opinion are not representing true picture of islam.
Can you distinguish between killing innocent people and killing invaders.
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Islam always recommends the middle path, the path of moderation. However that path is not definetly not 'i dont believe in 1400 year old ideas anymore and choose to reinterpret islam and follow that which suits me'.
The path of moderation islam recommends is one where a man is not extreme in any one direction, rather he tries to lead a balanced life, prays regularly , gives alms and zajat, performs good deads.
Extremism is not in islam, be it in the form of killing innocent people (muslim AND non muslim) or in the form of forgetting everything worldly and just praying 24/7 or fasting all the time etc. Similarly on the flip side if it means forgetting the basic principles of islam and just doing what pleases you is not part of islam either.
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Kodiak I agree with your post 100% but do have a point to make on one aspect which I have quoted above.
Its not an issue of not believing in 1400 old year ideas, but in some cases the guidance is not there on how they apply in current day and age. This is why we have fatwas. This is why people ask questions. The answers may be what suits them or what does not suit them.
We do need guidance and ruling (i.e. interpretation) to situations and circumstances that no one asked questions about back then. The question is not about validity of the ruling, but on how it applies to certain situations.
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Thanks for proving Anwar Qureshi's theory regarding who the moderately enlightened Muslims are...