Question this is a side note to you - not to derail the topic, but in terms of namaz, i'm not answerable to you and that is none of your business, but given my hectic schedule, I try my best.
But praying 5 times a day, and covering yourself are two different things. I think you can be very spiritual w/o covering your head. Its your head for crying out loud, and even the Quran only emphasizes to dress decently...the last I read it, it did not have a diagram depicting proper ladies' dressing.
Secondly, the point I'm trying to make is not about whether one should or should not wear the hijaab or burqa, its about a woman's choice and last time I checked, no one is permitted to FORCE a religion upon someone, and neither are you allowed to FORCE a woman to cover her head, because frankly there are more important issues at hand.
Bringing this back into topic, I'd like to tie in here that these religious parties, the vast majority of them, are going to be more concerned about ladies' apparel and the length of a man's beard, then the real issues. I'd like to see what these people have to say about unjust "islamic" laws like the Hudood Ordinance.
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Question this is a side note to you - not to derail the topic, but in terms of namaz, i'm not answerable to you and that is none of your business, but given my hectic schedule, I try my best.
But praying 5 times a day, and covering yourself are two different things. I think you can be very spiritual w/o covering your head. Its your head for crying out loud, and even the Quran only emphasizes to dress decently...the last I read it, it did not have a diagram depicting proper ladies' dressing.
Secondly, the point I'm trying to make is not about whether one should or should not wear the hijaab or burqa, its about a woman's choice and last time I checked, no one is permitted to FORCE a religion upon someone, and neither are you allowed to FORCE a woman to cover her head, because frankly there are more important issues at hand.
Bringing this back into topic, I'd like to tie in here that these religious parties, the vast majority of them, are going to be more concerned about ladies' apparel and the length of a man's beard, then the real issues. I'd like to see what these people have to say about unjust "islamic" laws like the Hudood Ordinance.
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You are right its none of my business to tell you are ask you if you pray 5 times a day or not. As I said above I am trying to make a point but it seems like people take things too sreiously and take things the wrong way.
There are quite few things in your comments that I can prove you wrong along with hard examples. But I don't wanna mess this thread since this not the place to talk about all those stuff.
And some people should realise before jumping into someone else's business
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ANP was actually a very pro-Musharraf and fairly pro-Pakistan party. They are also very progressive minded, unlike MMA. So why is it a good thing that ANP lost? Pashtoon nationalists these days are not like others. Jeay Sindh, MQM, BNP, BNM, and even PPP are much more anti-Punjabi. And these parties did pretty well.
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Come on dude... You got it all wrong...
ANP and BNP -> Anti-Pakistani... The very roots of ANP were anti-Qaed-e-Azam!!!
PPP anti Punjabi??? Is that why it has been so strong in Punjab?
I am not saying MMA is an anti-Pakistani party, infact Qazi just reiterated he and his partners did not believe in this hate monging at all...
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Question this is a side note to you - not to derail the topic, but in terms of namaz, i'm not answerable to you and that is none of your business, but given my hectic schedule, I try my best.
But praying 5 times a day, and covering yourself are two different things. I think you can be very spiritual w/o covering your head. Its your head for crying out loud, and even the Quran only emphasizes to dress decently...the last I read it, it did not have a diagram depicting proper ladies' dressing.
Secondly, the point I'm trying to make is not about whether one should or should not wear the hijaab or burqa, its about a woman's choice and last time I checked, no one is permitted to FORCE a religion upon someone, and neither are you allowed to FORCE a woman to cover her head, because frankly there are more important issues at hand.
Bringing this back into topic, I'd like to tie in here that these religious parties, the vast majority of them, are going to be more concerned about ladies' apparel and the length of a man's beard, then the real issues. I'd like to see what these people have to say about unjust "islamic" laws like the Hudood Ordinance.
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Another anti-Sindhi conspiracy I guess? Dont worry, they will never be in a position to promote laws. Btw, personally I think such laws should be passed in Pakistan, as some women are breaking all records there... You talked about decent clothing, may I remind you what you wrote yourself in that thread in the corner room about forgetting to wear something? This is whats going on in Pakistan, and although Taliban type laws are no answer, a little religious vigour will help improve things...
After Asfandyer Wali resigned, the new acting President of ANP is a Punjabi! Mind you the JI and JUI used to call Quaid e Azam Kafire Azam, and the JUI's founder said once in a speech "We may have commited many wrongs, but at least we are not responsible for this thing(Pakistan)"
The ANP nor Baluchi nationalists or Sindhi Nationalists also had nothing to do with the 1970 disaster that was the PPP and the Army;)
Although I am happy the ANP lost they deserved it, they had become arrogant and money hungry, esp the Bilours and Hotis..the record should be set straight.
And I don't think anyone should be forced to wear a burqa, There is no compulsion on religion in Islam, and more importantly Islam puts equal emphasis on us men to avert our eyes!
Bringing this back into topic, I'd like to tie in here that these religious parties, the vast majority of them, are going to be more concerned about ladies' apparel and the length of a man's beard, then the real issues. I'd like to see what these people have to say about unjust "islamic" laws like the Hudood Ordinance.
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Yeah that's about the limit of these people's thought process. And then we wonder why we haven't progressed in the last 500 years.
Mr. Rajput I am not intruding and not trying to be a custodian of Islam.
Thats the problem when some one try to atleast make someone realise people start bashing like they are the only one who make sence.
Now what makes u think I am trying to be the custodian of Islam. I was trying to make a point. And that is praying 5 times a day is "farz" but some people take it as if they feel like praying they would otherwise its all good. Same applies for women to cover herself. It is the responsibility of the women to cover and hide herself from na'mehram. And since PCG said who the hell MMA is to force hijjab I was replying to that.
I don't know why people start bursting on others with these remarks "hey u the custodian of Islam" without even thinking what they are talking about. Dude do you even know whats mandatory in Islam and whats not?
I have seen womens who would not even step out of their house before making sure they are covered from head to toe. And this is not some thing they are being forced to do infect its their own beliefs and will. I would suggest you to know your religion before you comment others.
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If a woman wants to cover her head its her own perogative. The whole thing about Burqa can be interpreted in different ways, not just in yours. I dont think its required in Islam form my understanding, but that again is MY UNDERSTANDING. If you have a problem with that, by all means, go live in Saudi. LAST, If everything in the Koran is taken to be literal, then shouldnt we be killing "kufars" wherever we find them?!?!?
I have no problem with Mullahs, as long as they dont intrude into anyone elses is private affairs. The Burqa and Beard is a perfect example of what they SHOULDNT be doing. Also, do we the minorites have anything to fear of these people? Its obvious they wont grant us our rights, but can we be fairly certain they wont take away our VERY BASIC rights? Academic, income. etc etc. ?
And what of freedom of the press? Will these people start handing out Fatwa's everytime someone critisizes them?
It would be a sad day in the Quaids Pakistan if these Mullahs turn Pakistan into something worse then it is now.
First, you said a girl needs to be convinced… My question is, what if she isnt convinced?
Second, if you force her, by “convincing” her, then she still isn’t really all that pious, because it was not her choice. I personally know MANY girls who wear Hijabs but are real Fudged up. Hijab only coverS your body, it doesnt cover your soul. So I dont agree with you, I think the Hijab is irrelevant.
Lastly, who the hell really cares, its not the Job of the govt to enforce Hijab or anythng else. The job of the govt is to feed, house, clothe and educate the populus.
I ensure you, if the MMA revolves to much around their Dark ages mentality, if the insist on nonsense ideology, they will never be voted into power again.
**Two Muslim sub-groups, the Ahmedis and Ismailis (my community, which has adherents in Tajikistan, Afghanistan and which has built hospitals, universities and schools across Pakistan), have already experienced these pressures. I find it ironic that Muslims who insist that western countries should respect diversity ignore the way hegemonic Islamicists are crushing all diversity within. I have never worn hejab; nor did my mother or grandmother. Our imam in the fifties told families to stop the practice and to educate their daughters. Now, Muslim men and women accost us in the streets and instruct us to submit to the hejab. I find this intrusive and contemptible. Who are they to tell me how to worship?
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Here is a muslim lady in Britian and a very prolific writer and journalist. She says her family has never worn a hejab, and who is anyone to tell her how to worship. Is she wrong? How would MMA respond to women like her in Pakistan (example: Asma Jhangir)? It should be interesting to see over the next few years.
Adnan how can you force a person who is already convinced of the idea this is a contradiction no?
Adnan it is job of government if it claims to be islamic to enforce islamic laws obviously if it is kufr laws then it not gonna apply law regarding hijab.
I don't think this is even a sect issue. My problem with these people is that they will be concentrating on issues which have less importance, i.e., beards, hijabs etc and not on education, health, economy and progress.
I am full of hopes that MMA can do some good things for the countrly. Purely secular parties are undoubtly unhealty for the Islamic Country of Pakistan. Islam should encapsulate everything including law and order, and society as a such.
Having said that I hope MMA can implement a healthy true religion in the country and contribute in making it a technologically, socially and economically advanced couuuuuntry :)
As far as Hijab is concerned, the islamic ruling which is agreed upon by 99 % of the scholars, is that it is cumpolsory for a woman to wear islamically compatible clothes which includes covering ones head. Burqah as a such is more a traditional piece of cloth.
if this mma concentrate on beards, hijab and thats it then they are rubbish and not worthy to be in power islam covers all aspects not just social issues.