MMA against teaching pre-islamic history

By Raja Asghar
ISLAMABAD, Feb 21: Religious parties in the National Assembly were on Wednesday up in arms against teaching Pakistan’s pre-Islamic history in schools to find Speaker Amir Hussain willing to keep the issue burning in a house committee, ignoring some dissenting voices in the ruling coalition.

Members of the six-party Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal also staged a token protest walkout over the inclusion of chapters about Hinduism, Buddhism and ancient emperor Chandragupta Maurya in the history textbooks for classes VI to VIII after a heated discussion, before a listless and inconclusive debate on the law and order situation in the absence of the boycotting People’s Party Parliamentarians, the main complainant in the matter.

The government used the second PPP boycott after the question hour – in protest against violence during the Feb 10 by-election for a National Assembly and a provincial assembly seat in Sindh – to push through a bill seeking to establish a National Institute of Oceanography without any debate.

Five MMA members had raised the history textbook issue through a call-attention notice, but their claim that the inclusion of chapters they considered objectionable had caused a “grave concern amongst the public” was disputed by Minister of State for Education Anisa Zeb Tahirkheli and some other ruling coalition members, who accused the religious parties of seeking to keep students ignorant about glorious periods of the sub-continent’s history such as the Indus Valley or Gandhara civilisations.

But the authors of the notice seemed unimpressed despite some interjections from the chair to justify the teaching of pre-Islamic history for the sake of knowledge and described the changes as part of what they saw as a government attempt to secularise the educational curricula.

“That may be your history, (but) … our history (starts) from Makkah and Medina,” MMA member Farid Ahmad Piracha shouted as he led his alliance’s walkout when Bushra Rehman of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League, then chairing the proceedings, allowed party colleague Ali Akbar Vaince to voice his support for the chapters even after the speaker had referred the matter to a house standing committee for more discussion as he did with another call-attention notice of five PPP members regarding changes in the examination system for classes IX and X.

PML member M. P. Bhandara staged his own protest walkout earlier after Speaker Hussain rejected his plea to disallow the MMA call-attention notice for what he called not being of immediate importance and seeking to erase 5,000 years old history starting from Moenjodaro from the textbooks.

The speaker repeatedly said there was no harm in studying pre-Islamic history for the sake of knowledge as he and his contemporaries did in schools, colleges and universities but, to an apparent surprise of the treasury benches, accepted an MMA demand to refer the matter to the standing committee, which the alliance members could use to continue the controversy.

Ms Tahirkheli earlier told the house that the decision to include the new chapters –

the like of which existed in old history books but were excised at some later stage – was taken by an inter-provincial committee which also included ulema and rejected allegations that Islamic chapters were being deleted or curtailed from the curricula.

“If you don’t regard the history of Moenjodaro and Harappa as your heritage, then you may delete it. But if you are proud of it then students must know about it,” she said.

Muttahida Qaumi Movement member Israrul Ebad saw the MMA call-attention move as an attempt to provoke a “fight between Muslims and non-Muslims” and asked the chair to “take notice of this notice”.

The PPP walked out immediately at the end of the question hour after two of its members, party secretary-general Raja Pervez Ashraf and former interior minister Aitzaz Ahsan, said the police chief of the Jamshoro district had told party member Azra Fazal Pechuho, a sister-in-law of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto, that her FIR about a gunfire at her bullet-proof car on the by-election day could be registered only if she removed the name of Provincial Minister Altaf Unar as an accused.

Minister of State for Interior Zafar Iqbal Warraich told the house that an FIR could be registered on the orders of the Jamshoro sessions court to which Dr Azra had gone with a petition or if she made a written complaint to police.

But Mr Ashraf said a written complaint had already been sent to the Jamshoro district police officer who, according to him, insisted on the removal of the minister’s name from it.

A total of 17 back-benchers from the ruling alliance and opposition benches spoke to a poorly attended house about law and order before the house was adjourned until 9am on Thursday when the debate will be resumed.

Opposition members blamed the government’s alliance with the US-led war on terrorism and its policies against political opponents for the recent wave of suicide bombings and other acts of violence while those from the treasury benches supported President Gen Pervez Musharraf’s concept of “enlightened moderation” and the campaign against terrorism.

“We ourselves have invited lawlessness… by lying down before the West,” PML-N member Khawaja Saad Raifque said, adding that “this is the first government which is at war with all sections of the society”.

PML-N’s Mehnaz Rafi criticised what she called elements who had opposed the creation of Pakistan and now even did not allow women to come out of their homes, but said: “We are not afraid of their activities and we will follow the (liberal) ideals of the Quaid-i-Azam and the Muslim League”.

Railways Minister Shaikh Rashid Ahmad intervened in the debate to tell the house that bodies of five out of at least 22 identified Pakistanis in a total of 68 killed in Sunday night’s firebombing of the Samjhota Express in India had been buried in India’s Uttar Pradesh state because their bodies were in bad shape while bodies of six more Pakistanis were awaited and would be taken to their places of residence by railway authorities as soon as they were received.

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Mullahs! You can not expect any thing positive from them!

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That's all right...American history starts from the creation of America...Mainstream American history does not teach pre colonization era...You have to enroll in an elective course to study that...

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Interesting ! So Apparently history from Noah to Ibrahim to Yousaf to Esa all unislamic. These idiots should erase it from holy quran too.

I have noticed that these opposition specially MMA MNA;s alongwith many other worth mentioning qualities they are also Haram khor.

They are paid handsomely from public treasurey to attend the National assembley sessions, and make legislation but when ever there is time to discuss important issue and debate and pass resolution they walk out, without any reason, just for the heck of it. So that routine laws and legislation keeps on lingering.

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To be honest, ever country focuses on whatever part of its history it considers to be most important.

At school in England, we were never taught England's history prior to the 1066 Norman invasion and conquest of England. We were told since that was when modern England started, that's all the only point that we needed to know the country's history from.

Pakistan's pre-Islamic past was even longer ago than 1066. If English schoolboys are taught only the past 1000 years of history of their land, starting from when the foreigners who shaped what became the modern nation invaded, why should Pakistani schoolboys not follow a similar system?

Taking it one step further, English schoolboys are not taught about Englands pre-Christian past. Why should Pakistani schoolboys then be taught about the pre-Islam past?

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The bit about England - that's a very sweeping statement and I would expect largely untrue. I remember learning about dinasours and Romans at Primary school. At Secondary level there were options to specialise on different eras. Can't imagine what sort of school you attended (no offence).

The bit about 'taking it one step further...' just because one nation wishes to distort or limit historical study/introspection, doesn't justify another country to. I read in the paper today the MMA or their ilk are complaining about Pakistani students being taught about Hinduism. As if giving them that exposure would encourage them to become Hindus or denying them the exposure would make Hinduism disappear

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Right said Sialkot waale saheb.

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Actually you may have a point. I generalised based on my school experience, where staff rather than students chose the subject matter. I know that the teachers did in fact select only a portion of the National Curriculum for teaching - I didn’t check to see if the NC covered the pre-1066 period.

Did you cover the dinosaurs and Romans in general or specifically dinosaurs and romans in the UK?

Whilst we spent a year studying the Romans in secondary school, it focused on the Roman Empire as a whole with very little mention of the Romans in Britain.

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I'd think if they're talking about a country's history, then they have the freedom to teach it from the time of inception of the country (even though I think this would limit erudition)... but Islamic religion history needs to incorporate the foundations and antecedents to the origins of Islam. It wouldn't make sense any other way!

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http://www.dawn.com/2007/02/23/ed.htm#2
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History: an obscurantist view

GIVEN the MMA’s aversion to laws and trends that promote liberal and humanistic thinking in society, it should really come as no surprise that the religious alliance created a rumpus in the National Assembly the other day over the teaching of Pakistan’s pre-Islamic history in schools. Angered by a parliamentarian’s defence of the inclusion of chapters in textbooks on the era predating Islam’s advent in the subcontinent, the MMA staged a walkout with one legislator shouting “That may be your history…our history [starts] from Makkah and Madina.” This kind of attitude is ridiculous. For not only does it mean a rejection of the process of continuity and all that has shaped our evolution as a society and nation, it also smacks of the kind of obscurant ideology that is being zealously promoted by the religious orthodoxy. Such an attitude is the result of the dogmatic interpretation of religion and is largely responsible for the growing divisions among the people. Under these circumstances, the repudiation of the past does little to instil a sense of collective pride in and ownership of one’s historical heritage and antecedents — something that could have transcended divisions and helped promote national unity.

There is no doubt that the story of Islam in the subcontinent is an interesting one. There is testimony to that in Sufi literature and music and in the several architectural gems, including mosques, mausoleums and forts, that are found all over the country. But should this obscure the equally fascinating ups and downs and phases of history before the advent of Islam? Should the dust be allowed to settle forever on Moenjodaro, Taxila and Mehrgarh? Are we to draw no lessons from the tolerance of the Buddhist king Asoka whose edicts are carved in stone? Are the glories of Gandharan sculptures, the product of an age that combined the best in Grecian and Indian art, to be shunned as un-Islamic? Our clerics have only to look at other Muslim countries to understand that a pre-Islamic heritage can easily be reconciled with today’s faith. Modern-day Egypt with its Pharanoic past is just one example. The government must stand its ground on allowing lessons in Pakistan’s pre-Islamic past and not give in to the MMA’s ludicrous demand.
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Right and timely editorial.

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The Islamist are a bunch of idiots. We have a share of a glorious pre Islamic history, rich in civilization and culture. We should celebrate it, teach it so our children know they were not animals pre Arab conquest. They were the proud and successful people of the Indus.

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deport these idiot monkeys. pre islamic history is what makes pakistanis ethnically what they are today.

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My only worry is that the Pakis start teaching pre Islamic history wrongly. Paki was where Vedism arose and developed, not Hinduism as the article seems to suggest.

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phir shuru hoga tu....let me and you have one on one debate in culture forum. come there!

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Besides, good move by government of pakistan

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Curriculum should not be politicized - period. Besides, they are doing their students a huge disservice by neglecting to teach history prior to the mughal invasions. One doesn't spend chapters on it, but it should be covered.

Don't they have anything more productive to do during their time in the legislature? Such as - say - improving conditions in general for the poor.... but I digress.

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Islamic states ruled most of India from long before the Mughal invasions, amana. There is plenty of Islamic civilisation in India history that can be taught before the Mughal era.

The main achievement of the Mughals was to unify India by waging war on and conquering Muslim states such the Delhi sultanate.

In other words, there is plenty of very well documented history to teach without having to delve back into the pre-Islamic past.

Schoolchildren should be taught the history of their civilisation, not the history of previous failed civilisations that have left virtually no legacy on the very fabric of the modern nation.

Such study of elder, less relevant civlisations should be left to specialists at universities, or be optional classes at most.

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MS, how about both of them, the history of previous civilizations as well as the present one? More knowledge, is always good dont u agree? Ure good with history, im sure u'll agree with that.

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What a bunch of retards they are! Why they fail to understand that Pakistan is not only for Muslims, there are minorities, why rob them of THEIR history?

IMO it all goes to from what perspective you are looking at it. if demographically then yes government is right to include pre-Islamic era, as religion is merely a part of that history. If you want to perceive history from a religious perspective then again the pre-Islamic history must be included since history is just not about few thousand years, after all it’s SPECIFICALLY about history of current demography.

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^^Look it's very simple. history of Pakistan is all the history that occurred in its borders. Doesnt matter is 1 person is a Dravidian. This Dravidian should be taught the history of Pakistan within his own borders (Pakistan) at school. If he wishes to read about India in his own time, that is perfectly fine. But the curriculum should include all of Pakistan's history, and I think should concentrate on the major achievements of Pakistanis regardless of when they were made. Everything that occurred historically within Pakistan's borders has gone some way into shaping Pakistan's current society and so history should be about teaching the important points whenever they occurred.