Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

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Re: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

@kchughtai

My friend, you have a very weird view of the “revelations”. According to your doctrine, there is NO wahi or revelation other than Quran. Are you suggesting that so many prophecies attributed to the holy prophet (pbuh) were his own concoctions or whims (na-auzubillah). There is no express mention of Mahdi and Masih in Quran then how did the prophet (pbuh) got to know this information?? Why did sometimes he use to pause when asked to explain something e.g., when asked to explain the verse of “Aakhareena minhum..”, he paused and then placed his hand on the shoulders of hazrat salman farsi (ra) and told the hadith of “faith taken to Pleiades …”. Where did that information come from? who told him. Do you consider that info at par with Quran. Apart from the holy prophet himself, there are several examples of wali-ullah getting revelations. I will try to post some examples sometime. Similar sort of allegations were raised by yousaf ludihanvi and book by M. Khalid “Rah-e-Huda” https://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/Rah-e-Huda-20080515MN.pdf answered all those allegations in fair amount of detail. you should have a look at that book if you are interested.

As far as the revelations of Mirza sahib (as) are concerned, we DO NOT consider them equivalent to a divine book like Quran but still those revelations were from Allah for his help and guidance. Unlike your Masih who, as per your explanation, will be without express help and guidance from Allah, the real Masih-e-Muhammadi was indeed a Mahdi- the guided one.

I will talk about other stuff in your post and the begum issue later.

Peace kchughtai

1. Kalam of Allah (SWT) - as in Qur’an - With reference to Divine Speech - noting the term “We” or the Royal Personal Pronoun exists only in Al-Kitaab - This has been sealed and no more of this will come. (This is directly poured in to the heart bypassing all senses)

2. Hadith Qudsi - Direct instruction of Allah (SWT) other than through Revelation - sealed - Acquired through some sensory medium - These will not be in the style of Qur’anic Ayat.

3. Wisdom - Divinely Inspired words of prophets - Isa (AS) will have these (this is not direct revelation) - these are feelings and moods and angelic assistance, which are guided - these are without taint in prophets.

4. Prophetic Dreams - Isa (AS) - These are imagery that require interpretation - some normal people can get these or part of these in their dreams.

5. Interpretive capabilities of scripture and high intellect - some people can interpret symbolic visions and have the knowledge to extract sound rulings - these will be done effortlessly by Sayyiduna Isa (AS), but other people can do them.

The type of revelation that you claim and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claims he received does not fit this pattern. Rather I can show you where the words that are used by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad a resembling the Qur’anic style … which indicates to me that such phrases were borrowed … especially if you then claim that it is not Divine Speech … but then what is it?