Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani & IsLam

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Mind using Search-Function of GS and there is little thing called Google

I don't know what u PPL trying here but if u look for truth then ask ALLAH SWT.

Just have a look in the copy of Holy Qur'an and u shall find a lot about how to get to the truth.

Regarding MGAQ u can raise a zillion allegations/questions but they all have been answered bcoz there were enough of ur likes well before u. Now i guess this ain't the answer u look for but u chose urself the way u get satisfied.

Since u folks don't tire proclaiming and socalled proving how wrong MGAQ was.

OK given the situation u folks r right and we Ahmadis wrong: Mind guiding me to the right path ????

Did Hazraz Isa AS died like all human being or he still residing beside Allah SWT ?

If he is up there and not dead then why the Qur'anic verse that all form of life will have taste the death ?

Is there any reformer about to come soon or has he already come ?

Any spiritual leader who will unite the Muslims or atleast the bigger part of them to fight all sort of attacks against Islam ?

Please answer with Qur'anic proofs and if u state a Hadith it shall not contradict any verse of the Holy Qur'an. I think these conditions shall be fine with u.

Wasslam

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Why are you avoiding bao bihari's questions?

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Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani (aleh-salam) was a true muslim. He recieved many revelations from Allah. He claimed to be the Promised Messiah and Imam mehdi. He make clear his beliefs in the following urdu link;

Lol he was a misguided person.

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And why sir u and bb avoid my questions ????

Urs have been answered here on GS and on the net upteen times that's why i suggested to use the search-function.

Yet all those who raised different kind allegations against Ahmadiyyat have failed sofar to answer my Questions.

So again: If MGAQ is wrong and thus his followers then no discussions about it as i accept it but u shall then be ready to present me plausible alternative as stated in my previous post above just for the sake of truth.

If u r just about throwing allegations after allegations against MGAQ then i'll off as this serves no other purpose than Bashing (possibly motivated by Jalousy or Hatred or ALLAH SWT knows better whatelse).

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Please post the link of those answers.

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Use the search function

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U hit the nail right!!!

this is how disucssion should go...:)

u posted ur question, i shall try to answer them, but not now, as iam really busy somewhere else, Insha'Allah i'll be free in couple of days and will reply u.

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^^

the questions u are asking the basics of Qadyaniyat or Ahmadiyat u may call it. and these were the gateways of many other fakers like Mr. Mirza, some followers of those fakers still exist.

Anyway, The spriritual leader, the promised reformer is known as Imam Mehdi who is nothing more than a tale somehow penetrated in the traditions mostly from shia books in Sunni Muslim. and this very tale has produced many other religion from Islam it self, Qadyaniyat is a prime Example. There is no verse or Sahi hadess which call for this kind of reformer. i have proved that before i can prove this here, it is a lengthy and controversial topic and recommended for those who have wish to know the truth and follow the real path and not for those who according quran, follow some tradition because there ancestor followed it. so if anyone interested let me know, i'll initiate another thread on this topic only. I guess ur answer of REFORMER and SPIRITUAL leader has been answered.

As far as,Living and return of Masseeh is concerned, It is again a much debated issue, along with the above mentioned reformer, there are number of stances on the Life and death of Jesus (AS), again a lengthy and controversial debate... can be conducted if anyone interested.

But even if the above mentioned traditions have 1% truth in them, still Mr. Mirza is niether of them. as it is clearly mentioned in the tradtions and legends that, these are entirely different personalities, one will Land on earth, while Muslims forces in the leadership of The REFORMER preparing for the Battle with Dajjal, and the purpose of the 2nd one (reformer) is two bring the khilafah back to Ahl-e-Bait (a 1400 old Shia Dream)..

it is evident from the life of Mr. Mirza that, none of that happend, nor was the same circumstances, even according to those known traditions ( which are questionable in first place) one cannot prove him the promised massiha

yes one could have called him a reformer ( and as far as i know, he was called a reformer in his early days, like many other fakers who were known as promised massiha or the promised reformer), only if he had sticked to Quran and Hadees( by his words and actions) like the reformers before him did. none of them went and started their on kind of prophecies.

According to Islam, Quran is the only book, no other reformer will be sent to the people, preaching of ISlam is duty of Muslims, the preaching is not only to non-muslims but to muslims as well where one have to tell the difference between an islamic believe and some fake believe...

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I read nearly the whole thread, and i found it really informative..
Anyways to continue with the topic, i actually live in an area where there is an ahmadiya mosque right infront of my house it is called the peace village area... i kinda get to know alot about them..
so my question is that why aren't ahmadiya girls allowed to marry a non ahmadiya guy? Even though ahmadiya do call us muslim and do believe we people are muslims as well then why aren't they allowed to give their daughters to our guys?
My mom belongs to a shia family and my dad is a sunni guy.. they are happily married and there were no objections during their marriage.. my 3 uncles are married to suni girls.. and again no problem with tat.. iam saying this because looking at the other groups of islam they do marry among each other then why not ahmadiya? is it because Ahmadiya are different or we are different? I know this ahamdi girl who liked this sunni guy but was not allowed to marry him so she run away from her house and is happily married but is not allowed to meet her family or visit the jimat..

Second question.. why aren't ahmadiya ppl allowed to join our namaz-e- jinaza?
i think it is a sunna or farz tat if u see a namaz-e-jinaza u have to attend it..then why aren't ahmadiya's following this?

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Non Ahmadi muslims consider us 'Kaafir'. Right? They have issued Fatwas that every muslim should boycott Ahmadiyya Community in all religious and social activities. If some non-ahmadi does marry an ahmadi, their Mullahs consider this marriage 'illegal'. Specially in Pakistan, you could go to jail for adultary if you do that unless either one of those change their religion. So, no point allowing these marriages.

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Second question.. why aren't ahmadiya ppl allowed to join our namaz-e- jinaza?
i think it is a sunna or farz tat if u see a namaz-e-jinaza u have to attend it..then why aren't ahmadiya's following this?
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Ahmadies can't pray behind a 'man made' imam who has rejected an imam that was made by Allah (ie Imam Mehdi). Simple. For example, tomorrow if your Imam Mehdi appears, would you pray behind an imam who has rejected Imam Mehdi?

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Dear Sister

The answer to your questions are that, any one who does not believe in the Prophet-hood of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan is not Muslim.

and because Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadyan has declared himself a prophet, like Mulisma Kizaab etc so He and his followers are out of circle of Islam.

Hence,
Same as it is not recommended that a muslin should marry a non-muslim and vice versa.
A non-muslim will not attend namaz-e-janaza of a muslim and vice versa.
(in above, non-muslims is used for qadyanies)

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The comment maker don't know what he is saying.

for instance, he is denying all the ahadees and sunnah for praying in the Jama'a.
What should Muslims should do till Mehdi appears? as per my info there is no instructions for the muslims to what to do in that period of wating which is now almost over 1300 years...
the above thing is best decribed by Iqbal

thay tu woh abaa tumharay tum kya ho
haath per haath dharay muntazir-e-farda ho..

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But i thought some Ahmadi guppies here did say tat they consider us as muslims? If we don't give our girls to ahamdies tat is because we don't consider ahmadis muslim.. in Pakistan you might be punshied if u give ur girl to ahmadi but not for marrying an ahmadi girl.. i think any muslim guy is allowed to marry a non muslim as long as she converts.. ..isn't it so? Correct me if iam wrong but parwaz musharaf's wife is ahmadi isn't she?

It is not a question of imam but question of farz.. so ur telling me that ur imam is more important then wat Allah swt said.. When Allah swt said join the namaz-e-jinaz i don't think any Mehdi's word can change tat.. (Please excuse me if i was a bit rude)...

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Is there any way Mirzais here can answer my questions?

Just Noticed it is my 3000th Post

Balay Balay

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This answer should satisfy your question:

http://66.250.64.37/askislam/mp3/19840507_06.mp3

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^ Jeevay pakistan meeya.. First of all thanks alot for the audio.. i did listen to it but still didn't it answer my question.. I asked when Allah and Mohammad PBUH said tat join the nimaz-e-jinaza then no matter wat these other mehdis say it doesn't matter.. So ur telling me that if those muslims who don't accept your mehdi, you will not attend their namaz-e-jinnaz even though Allah and Prophet Mohammad PBUH ordered u to do so? and tat the mehdi or imam is more important then the orders of Mohmmad pbuh (Nauzbillah)...
I don't know if u have ever attended a namaz-e-jinaz or no but in the namaz-e-jinnaza the imam doesn't mention any Mehdi's name.. They simply recite the Ayas from Quran even in normal namaz, we recite the surah's of quran we don't mention any Mehdi's name in our prayers... so the speaker in the audio u send me said tat the imam will say something bad about ur mehdi tat is why u can't join it.. that is totally wrong..
Now you didn't answer my question about why ahmadi girls are not allowed to marry a non ahmadi guy even though Ahmadi ppl do consider non ahmadis as muslim?

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May I first ask you why are you so keen for ahmadies to offer Namaz-e-Jinaza when you and your Mullahs have declared them 'kaafir'. You guys should be celebrating that ahmadies can't offer janaaza behind non-ahmadi imam.

And by the way ahmadis can and do offer namaz-e-janaaza of non-ahmadi muslims if imam is an ahmadi.

I think, I have given my point regarding the marriage issue. And again, may I ask, why are you so keen for an ahmadi girl (which according to you is 'kaafir') to marry a non-ahmadi muslim? Your mullahs have given fatwas not to marry ahmadies. Are you denying their fatwas? Atleast have some dignity to be on one side.

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Take it easy man.. we are discussing a topic here not arguing.. Islam doesn't stop u from question ur religion as a matter of fact it encourages u to ask question and get answer in order to get a proper knowledge of islam.. It is not a question of being keen or not caring..
I took namaz-e-jinaza as an example, ofcourse we will be happy if a ahmadi doesn't attend our jinaza (simply i told u the reason because muslims don't accept ahamdis as muslim, and no one would want a non-muslim to attend their jinaza) but here it is not a question of wat we want or wat our happiness is.. The question is why attending a muslims namaz-e-jinaza makes u unhappy? ur simply following Sunnah and farz, you shouldn't care about wat ppl think or feel while your Allah and Nabi told u do something..
Same applies to marriage situations, Ofcourse there are fitwas tat don't marry non muslim guys but marrying a non-muslim girl is encouraged (only if u convert her)...I absolutely have the dignity to take the side and say tat i am not going to marry a non-mulim guy but if my brother marries a non-muslim girl it is totally Ok.. I think tat is wat the fitwas said as well.. am i not following it?
I raised these two issues because these are very common situations u get to face everyday.. I simply wanted to prove that being an Ahmadi comes first for u guys then being a muslim.. You guys call your self ahmadi first and then muslim.. because i think if u would have called urself muslim first then u wouldn't hesitate of join our namaz-e-jinaza or allow ur girls to marry our men....
You can't point the same issue to us because from the first day we muslims said that Ahmadis are not muslim that is why we can't allow our girls to marry ur guys or join ur namaz-e-jinaza.. but since u guys do call us muslim i don't think it should be a problem for u guys to do so..

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^ I have relative who are Ahmadi and they have married into Sunni families... Fact is that most Ahmadis and Sunnis are very closely related, to the point where they are practically the same family...
Sometimes the issue is of respect. Our society is very backwards, even at the elite level sometimes. So when an Ahmadi girls is married to a Sunni, people will mock them (the girls family)... For some odd reason, marrying your daughter off is not the same as marry your son in our society.
Also, in the cases where Ahmadis have married their daughters to Sunnis, their children are usually Sunni aswell.
I have yet to meet a Sunni family that has married their daughters of into an Ahmadi household. I think I have heard of one, but not much beyond that. So its really more of a problem for Sunnis I think.
But I gess thats why not many Ahmadis marry Sunnis or vice versa, due to the stigma of it... Thats not to say it doesnt happen, but its rare... But like you said, Sunnis will not marry their daughters to Ahmadis, and thus most Ahmadis will return the respect.
Rather sad that large families and ancestoral villages are divided by something so petty as religion.
This whole your a kafir im not is Bull SH1t... Only fit for ignorant people and religous mullah badmash who have no respect for anything but their lame narrow minded interpretation of their religion.

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The questions of marriages and death are very sensitive in asian society. These are made complicated by those who have vested financial interests in these occasions. i.e., Mullahs.

A marriage is a social contract and anyone within the human moral values can negotaite such a contract with anyone else. The matter of permissibility in ahmadiyya community is directly related to the pledge of Bai'at which requires every ahmadi (man and woman) to obey the Khalifa and to serve the community above all other duties. For men, a marriage outside the community does not prohibit them from undertaking these responsibilities, but for women, if they marry a non-ahmadi, their faith becomes secondary to their marriage. Thus practically they take them outside the community. This is why ahmadi women are not allowed to mary non-ahmadis. But in case they go ahead and marry someone, there is no "fatwa" of kufr or adultery against them. Their honour is still the same. But the loose their membership.

As for deaths, every muslim (ahmadi or non-ahmadi) deservers to be buried with a Janaza prayer. In a scenario, even if an enemy of the Jamaat dies and none of his sect-fellows are availabe to read his janaza, it is the duty of Ahmadis to arrange for his proper muslim burial. In normal circumstances, Ahmadis do not pray behind an imam who is a "mukazzib" or a rejector. This is a matter of religious principle as we believe in a Divinely appointed Imam and anyone who thinks him a liar should not be followed in religious observance. This person can be followed in worldly matters, but faith is a personal thing.

Also, We Ahmadis do not call anyone a Non-Muslim. If you call yourself a muslim, then you are a Muslim. The matter of Kufr is confused by wrong interpretations. Kufr means to reject. And a person can be a muslim and a Kafir at the same time. For example anyone who abandons prayers knowingly commits Kufr. But he is still a muslim..
I hope this clarifies the situation.