^^You astray people are SUMMUN, BUKMUN and UMYUN.....But you will never understand that..Till your mouth is full of earth....
What to understand .. im ready to understand .. but if anyone give me proper answers .. logical answers ..
Quran isn't enough for u ?
Last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) isn't enough for u .. so u need people who claimed false prophethood ...
Peace All,
I've been reading some of this thread. The fact remains that the Quran in Sura 33:40 states very clearly that NO MORE Prophets are coming from GOD. The Quran was the last scripture, making Prophet Muhammad the last prophet. However, that does not mean he is the last messenger as GOD has distinguished in Quran that prophets come with scripture, messengers confirm scriptures. Thus, all prophets are messengers, but not all messengers are prophets. This is something many muslims have are confused on as many think a prophet and a messenger are the same thing when they are not. [Quran 33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger **of GOD and the final prophet. GOD is fully aware of all things.** The arabic is very clear, 'rasoolallah wa Khaatimun Nabiyeen' (messenger and final prophet). Rasool = messenger, ** *allah = God, * *wa = and, * *Khaatimun = final, * **Nabiyeen = prophet Now, if Mirza claims to be a messenger than he would have to come with proof or signs of authorization from GOD in the form of a miracle by GOD's leave. In addition, it would have to be witnessed by others because the purpose of the miracle is so people can be certain that particular person is authorized by GOD as a messenger, and GOD's miracles are never subtle.
I am not bashing your religious beliefs. However, the Quran teaches us how to distinguish who is an authorized messenger from GOD, and who is an impostor.
So, I ask all Ahmadiyyat, where is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's miracle proof of authorization from GOD? All messengers come with miracles by GOD's leave. So, where is it? Until this can be answered with solid evidence, according to the Quran, he is **NOT **an authorized by GOD. He person is not a prophet. He is not a messenger.
peace submitmj
Thanks Such a nice/ clear post ... they won't understand it ...
What to understand .. im ready to understand .. but if anyone give me proper answers .. logical answers ..
Quran isn't enough for u ?
Last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is enough for u .. so u need people who claimed false prophethood ...
Sinner sahib you misunderstood me...It is for those so called Qadyanis or Mirzais or whatever they call themselves including this eyesonskies.....
Sinner sahib you misunderstood me...It is for those so called Qadyanis or Mirzais or whatever they call themselves including this eyesonskies.....
ohoo ... sorry ... these people eat up my mind ..
Thanks Such a nice/ clear post ... they won't understand it ...
This submitmj is more astray than those Qadyanis... He is from that cult of Rashad Khalifa who want to take the love of prophet Mushammad(PBUH) from our hearts..They are as dangerous as....
Oh so that’s why you are here? To stir up fire huh? Yeah I thought so.
Please improve your reading skills, since you don’t seem to understand my simple comment. Why concentrate on Ahmadis only? If there wasn’t Ahmadiyas, how many other sects would there be? How many other people would be there to divide Islam eh? How many sects in Islam are there?
I’m pretty sure that you belong to a sect. So here a question for you fellow guppy, why divide Islam? Why are there Shia/Sunni mosques, when both of them could pray in the same mosque? No?
Qur’an isn’t enough. You also need the Hadith. Without Hadith, you wouldn’t even know how to pray or do Wudhu…
Isn’t Jesus going to come a second time? He won’t be a Prophet according to you people’s logic I guess.
You people just dropped him from his Prophethood. 
Who is insulting Jesus (PBUH) again…?
All you Ahmadis need to stop replying to these trolls, seriously. What will you get If you “clarify” things here? People like me who are interested to find out more about ahmadiya will do it on their own, on a mature way. I.e. find out a source belonging to your sect and not some random anti-ahmadi website on the internet.
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Hey Sinner, who is dividing Islam again? Ahmadis?
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Are you really that Ignorant? How many sects are out there? How many sects would there be If ahmadis weren't there? What Sect do you belong to? Why not "brother up" with Muslims from other sects and pray together in the same mosques from now on? Why have Sunni/Shia mosques etc. ?
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Mr. No Name,
Do you want to discuss your claim of being 73rd and only saved sect? Open a thread and debate with me, just you and me.
Ok let me extend my invitation to all of you Qadianis on this forum, it is all of you on this forum together against me alone. Does it sound like a good handicap to you all?
For heavens sake put your money where your mouth is.
Submitmj,
I have listed evidence from the Holy Quran in my article “Mirza a false Prophet”.
Verses 25:50/52 on the topic of “Nazir” or Warner in English, and 3:81 on the oath of the Prophets.
These two verses compliment the verse you quoted. Do you want to debate these two verses with me? Can you justify the claim of Mirza “Duniya me aik Nazir aya” when the Quranic evidence in 25:52/52 is against the claims of Mirza?
What did Mirza meant when he said, “Khuda aus ko Qabool kareega”?
Please explain this and prove that Mirza can be a Nazir first and foremost, against the clear cut decree of Allah SWT in the Holy Quran; Allah SWT will not send any more Warners to the World after Prophet Muhammad SAW.
Can you see **how many heresies this little passage contains**? If you can not then there is something seriously wrong with you. **It should be me who should be demanding from the Administrators of this forum to ban Mr. Popat. **
Let me tell you, one place he says;
1- *That Mirza approved of Prophet SAW spiritual journey. *
So w*ho the heck is Mirza to approve Prophet Muhammad SAW Journey of the Miraj? *
Secondly this heretical fool whom I correctly called fool due to his heresies, in one place says that Mirza approved of Prophet Muhammad SAW spiritual journey, implying it was a spiritual journey.
But on the other side, he says like Allah SWT took Prophet SAW to heavens during Miraj, exactly how red ink dropped on Mirza. Fact is the red ink drops were physical, so *he is also saying that Miraj was like these drops, meaning physical. *
I have every right to call him what I called. *You guys are so immune due to the lies of Mirza and his non-sense that you have lost every sight of right and wrong, and what is acceptable in the Islamic teachings. No wonder you take Mirza’s lies against the Holy Quran, the Word of Allah SWT, and against the Prophets mentioned in the Holy Quran (Peace be upon them all) without much worry. *
Notice, Mr. it is your cultists who are trying to attack me personally, after finding no answers to the questions I posed. I have absolutely every right to respond in kind.
Hurt, doesnt it ? I try to show from your own beliefs. If I as a christian were to ask you how Prophet Muhammad PBUH went to heavens bodily on Miraj ? what would you have answered ? What I say, i dont take it back. Yes, I will again say, the way you people believe Miraj took place is exactly how red ink drops were there. ( notice : i did not say physical or whatever ).
How did aab-e-zam zam came in to existence from an Islamic point of view ? you seriously are filled with unnecessary hatred when whatever questions you are raising are all found in the history of Abrahamic religions. If a hindu were to ask you how Aab e zam zam came in to being, by just Ishmael's rubbing of his feet on ground? Miracle will you say, will you not?
Mere reason of me bringing Miraj in the discussion was that , you do not reject the fact that YOU DO believe that Muhammad PBUH journey to heaven was PHYSICAL. Now, the way you'll prove me that, will exactly how I will prove red ink drops.
He(AS) "approved" of Him as just a spiritual journey to heavens and NOT the physical. There is no proof whatsoever that whatever Islam you have been following is infact the right teachings of Islam. If a person appointed by Allah tells that this is the truth , one must accept it with no question whatsoever in their mind. How did He (AS) 'approve' of him as having a spiritual journey to heavens and not the physical is because He(AS) had direct contact with Allah the almighty.
Allah of Islam , the Lord of the worlds still speak to those who he love, and still love those who love him. Islam is not just tradition of some rituals, but a religion by which if one can follow can actually have direct contact with Allah the almighty. No other religion can now have the pleasure of Allah's blessings but the ummah of Muhammad PBUH.
PS: you are very good at critisizing , but you are yet to learn a lot from your very own beliefs. Such beliefs that Mullahs enforce you people to believe and you accept their words without investigating further by yourself.
Do you want to discuss your claim of being 73rd and only saved sect? Open a thread and debate with me, just you and me.
Ok let me extend my invitation to all of you Qadianis on this forum, it is all of you on this forum together against me alone. Does it sound like a good handicap to you all? For heavens sake put your money where your mouth is.
My claim? Since when? Thanks for the invitation though, but i'd have to pass, since I don't have any interest in taking part in a "debate" with someone who tends to personally insult people when he doesn't have any arguments.
Mr. No Name
Talking about names, do you know what your nick name means?
It's Crank That Skunk right? It means Masturbate that Skunk. How would you come up with a name like that?
Mods I'm being serious with the name thing. It's not a low blow insult here. This is what it really means. So don't give me no warning.
Submitmj,
I have listed evidence from the Holy Quran in my article “Mirza a false Prophet”. Verses 25:50/52 on the topic of “Nazir” or Warner in English, and 3:81 on the oath of the Prophets.
These two verses compliment the verse you quoted. Do you want to debate these two verses with me? Can you justify the claim of Mirza “Duniya me aik Nazir aya” when the Quranic evidence in 25:52/52 is against the claims of Mirza?
What did Mirza meant when he said, “Khuda aus ko Qabool kareega”?
Please explain this and prove that Mirza can be a Nazir first and foremost, against the clear cut decree of Allah SWT in the Holy Quran; Allah SWT will not send any more Warners to the World after Prophet Muhammad SAW.
I'm not sure what you are talking about. What is there to debate. I believe the Mirza IS NOT a prophet because Muhammad was the last prophet. I believe Mirza IS NOT a messenger because he has no proof from GOD.
Perhaps you should read my posting more carefully before jumping to conclusions.
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Also , to add to what i wrote above ... If your future Imam Mahdi (AS) accept EVERY SINGLE thing believed by you people as "islam" then there is NO POINT of his appearance. His appearance is to RESTORE the true Islam which was the religion brought by Muhammad PBUH. Expect some changes in Islam anyway, and be ready to issue fatwa against Him because he went against your understanding of Islam. Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) was declared non-muslim for the very same reason.
O! Lord of the worlds and my designer, my mohsin, my khaaliq... I turn towards you to show me the right path by which i can be counted as your humble servant. O Allah , grant me the courage to help humankind and to serve you. O Allah give me death only when I am totally obedient to you. O my Lord, hand me not to my own nafs. O Allah, strengthen Muslim Ummah all over the world and create not distance but love for one another. O Lord, Thank you for blessing us with the perfect example of Muhammad PBUH. Grant me and every humankind in the world to follow His footsteps. O Allah, pardon me if I have hurt any one of your creatures and forgive me of my known and unknown sins that i have committed. Allah, show me as well as the whole Muslims the true teachings of Islam and give us strength to follow it. O Allah, give me the strength to follow Islam which the servant of Muhammad PBUH has shown. Allah, bless Muhammad PBUH and Imam Mahdi ASare cursing.O Allah forgive those who mock at your humble ones, for they know not what they are saying and to whom they My every breath is for the purpose of spreading Islam in every corner of the world. Allah, accept my prayer and my and many other Ahmadi Muslims as well as other noble Muslims for their noble cause to spread the word of Allah around the world. InshAllah ,Allah willing, Islam will be prospered. Aamin.
not fire … Just want to know Y people prefer to divide into sects .. & follow people who claim to b false Prophet …
I prefer to b a muslim … try to follow Allah , Quran , Muhammad (PBUH) ..
yeah y to divide Islam .. Y u r prefer to b Ahmadiya ..
read my second line … I mention Muhammad (PBUH) .. so it means hadith…
Its Second Coming … Not first …
So what about Khatam-e-Nabuwat ???
ahaan … okay answer these …
Why to b Ahamdiyaa Muslim? then just being a Muslim
Why u follow Mirza ? what was so special
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Sinner, its like saying why are you a punjabi/sindhi/balochi when you can just be Pakistani ? or why be a sunni and not a Muslim ? Punjabi is Pakistani first and because he has different culture/language/heritage than sindhi/balochi, he is Punjabi. Sunnis are Muslims , but because they do not agree with Ismailis,sufi Islam,shias, they are sunnis. It is to differentiate yourself from other school of thought yet , admitting yourself as well as others as Muslims as well.
Same is the case with Ahmadis. Ahmadis would have never been Ahmadis if they were not the followers of Islam. They declare openly that they are Muslims. They are Muslims first and because they do not agree with certain points with other Muslims like sunnis or shias for example, to differentiate their opinions from them, they call themselves Ahmadi Muslims. To non-muslims, Ahmadis are Muslims.. just like how to Americans Punjabi/sindhi/balochi are Pakistanis.
Its Second Coming ... Not first ...
So what about Khatam-e-Nabuwat ???
Exactly. Second coming or the first. Dont ask us what about khatm e nabuwat. you tell me what happened to it?
Definition of khatam e nabuwat according to you : NO prophet can come after Muhammad PBUH , old or new. No one.
The need of revival of religion is needed. What to do now? no new prophet can come.
Oh!! an old prophet.
Great , khatm e nabuwat is good, and got a prophet as well. Fabulous.
Question : khatm means the LAST and not who came before who. Think about it for some time. Whether the old one comes or the new ones, your definition of Khatm e nabuwat still will make no sense. Where is the problem then ? Either you misinterpreted the word khatam, or if you did interpret it right, then the old prophet that was to come can NO LONGER be a prophet, since it will go against ur meaning of Khatam.
Sinner, its like saying why are you a punjabi/sindhi/balochi when you can just be Pakistani ? or why be a sunni and not a Muslim ? Punjabi is Pakistani first and because he has different culture/language/heritage than sindhi/balochi, he is Punjabi. Sunnis are Muslims , but because they do not agree with Ismailis,sufi Islam,shias, they are sunnis. It is to differentiate yourself from other school of thought yet , admitting yourself as well as others as Muslims as well.
Same is the case with Ahmadis. Ahmadis would have never been Ahmadis if they were not the followers of Islam. They declare openly that they are Muslims. They are Muslims first and because they do not agree with certain points with other Muslims like sunnis or shias for example, to differentiate their opinions from them, they call themselves Ahmadi Muslims. To non-muslims, Ahmadis are Muslims.. just like how to Americans Punjabi/sindhi/balochi are Pakistanis.
I agree with u in case of punjabi/Sindhi / Balochi & blah blah .. First v r pakistani then what ever ...
So u mean to say .. First b a muslim .. then u can divide urself depending upon ur leaders .. ?
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