Mirza attacks Prophet ISA AS of the Holy Quran

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Taken from your blog ..

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Mirza at different places in his writings had at time made fun of Miraj and at other places tried to proof that it was a spiritual journey.

Interesting questions arise from this incident. Alleged evidence of red ink on the shirt and cap indicate it to be a physical phenomenon

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The way Allah took Hazrat Muhammad PBUH to heavens on the event of Miraj, is exactly how red ink drops were on His (AS) shirt. Theres a huge difference of Miraj being a spiritual journey and being a physical journey. Physical journey is something He(AS) took care of , and approved of His (SAW)'s spiritual journey to heavens.

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1- These drops fall from a cloud? If so,** was God hidden in the clouds?** Mind you, clouds are only few thousand feet above the earth.

2- Did they travel from the space? How far from the space? How long did it take them to travel from the space to the earth?

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then you say ...

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Why Allah SWT was on Earth, for how long and for what purpose? What happened to the concept in Islam that Allah SWT is “Maojood”?
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Make up your mind.. why ask dumb question of where the ink came from when Allah is everywhere?

Allah of Quran and Prophet Muhammad PBUH is everywhere. Just like how Allah wasnt where Jesus (AS) was when he was being crucified , and thus arise the need for Him to raise him (AS) up alive.. i ask you , was that Allah who just reside in heavens ? We stand corrected when we say that Allah is everywhere and thus helped Jesus (AS).

Just how according to you Muhammad PBUH was given the journey of heavens physically is how His (AS)'s shirt got the red ink.

Timepass - March 2014
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brother popat, you are welcome. To add pages, you need to save them as JPEG image and then use 'image upload' link at the bottom to upload. I hope this helps.

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KcChugtai

Ahhhhh, this is more like it, now you are on the path of heresies, In the foot steps of Mirza, the place where I wanted to take you.

This is the point raised by three of you now, d.tox.ed, Popat and you. I am going to write a follow up of my article and answer the fallacies of your defense. You simply can not clear Mirza from his lies and attacks on Prophet Isa As of the Holy Quran. Wait for this article to appear which will deal with the common excuses used by the followers.

You are still stuck with the dilemma how to prove that Mirza didn’t attack the Prophet ISA As of the Holy Quran. I have quoted his undeniable writings, where he attacked ISA AS. By quoting and insisting that he wrote otherwise too, you are just destroying the credibility of Mirza. But you guys do not understand the meaning of credibility.

Any how, you said;

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Please tell me where did Allah used the term 'soul from us' for Hazrat Esa in Quran when glad tidings of his birth were given to Mary (a.s) ?
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Is this your assertion; like Mirza that Allah SWT called Isa As “soul from us” after his As birth, to dispel the rumors and allegations leveled by the Jews against Mariam As and H Isa As?

Secondly, in the same quotation by Mirza, Mirza writes Allah SWT used similar words for H Adam As, he quoted from Verse 15:29 “breathed into him of My spirit”

Could you please tell me, what were the allegations against Adam AS that these Words were used by Almighty Allah SWT?

Thank you.

The hadith you quoted is self explanatory; Prophet Muhammad SAW is trying to teach the Muslims importance of “ Haququl Abad”. You Qadianis are very keen on using the term “Allegorical”. But when you find something which is really Allegorical then you shift and start using the literal meaning of it.

Did you pay attention to what I have written in my article? I wrote Mirza said it is allegorical. On Hadith I only wrote, he failed to provide the reference, and said what a wonderful analogy used by Mirza.

You are missing one thing very crucial here, the point I made subtly in my article, which probably you missed completely. I knew the hadith; which is allegorical, this Mirza has admitted in the quotation. But what Mirza produced, according to his claims are the Words of God (nauzobillah). Exactly like the quotations I provide from the book of Genesis; which according to the claims by the Jews and the Christians is Word of God.

Prophet Muhammad SAW didn’t claim it as Word of Allah SWT; he SAW only was pointing to the followers importance of “Haquuq-ul-Abad” by using allegorical words, if this Hadith is actual words of Prophet SAW. This can not be said with certainty.

Did you get the point now?

But the questions I asked; you are trying to avoid them. I asked you questions on the second issue, i.e. Allah SWT visiting the earth (nauzobillah). Please answer the questions.

My full answer on Qadianis excuses is on its way, in my new article. I already warned you guys, not to destroy the credibility of Mirza completely.

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Mr. Popat;

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The way Allah took Hazrat Muhammad PBUH to heavens on the event of Miraj, is exactly how red ink drops were on His (AS) shirt. Theres a huge difference of Miraj being a spiritual journey and being a physical journey. Physical journey is something He(AS) took care of , and approved of His (SAW)'s spiritual journey to heavens.
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What is this? Are you in your senses? Are you trying to tell us Muslims, that

1- Miraj was spiritually journey?
2- Mirza fulfilled the physical aspect of the Miraj journey through these drops of red ink?
3- Are you trying to say that Miraj of Prophet Muhammad SAW needed the approval from a liar like Mirza?

You heretical fool. Explain it, before I answer your questions. G you guys are in trouble; I can see it very clearly.

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Make up your mind.. why ask dumb question of where the ink came from when Allah is everywhere?
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Hmmm. Now will you be honest once in your life time and give this advice to Mirza? It is he who said that Allah SWT revealed to him (Mirza used it as revelations, i.e. the alleged Word of God) that “He (SWT) would not leave earth until appointed time".

Mr. Popat I asked the same questions, thank you for proving that Mirza was dumb, he lied and attributed lies to Allah SWT by attributing this as revelations.

Despite your, in-coherent answers, self defeating logic, you didn’t answer the questions, from where the drops of ink came? You see it was not allegorical, or spiritual, it was Physical. And please don’t call your Mirza dumb, he is the one who says that Allah SWT signed the papers and approved what fate Mirza wanted to happen and wrote it down. Do you know the true meaning of this heresy by Mirza? I will explain to you, when I get your answers back.

Mirza says categorically that the red drops of inks dropped on him and his servant physically. This ink must have fallen from somewhere, from where?
Is this a very hard question for you? I will be obliged if you can give a straight answer to a very straight question.

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Popat I suggest you report this post of his...he is obviously has some personality issue here.

TO ALL AHMADIES:

I AM NOT REPLYING TO THIS CHAP ANYMORE UNTILL HE APPOLOGIES FRONT OF EVERYONE FOR DIS RESPECTING AHAMDIE'S RELIGIOUS FIGURES. AND I SUGGEST YOU DONT REPLY TO HIM EITHER UNTIL HE COMES TO HIS SENSES.

FOR MODERATORS:

THIS THREAD IS CLEARLY AGAINST THE FORUM RULES OF MOCKING RELIGIOUS PERSONALITIES BUT YOU ARE STILL IGNORING ALL THE POSTS BY THIS MAD MAN.

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i dont have time to reply to such stupid queries.

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Mr. d.tox.ed

Don’t show your hypocrisy. Did you read the post of your cultists? He wrote heretical things against Prophet Muhammad SAW, I only stated the fact, that he is a heretical fool to write such blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad SAW.

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The way Allah took Hazrat Muhammad PBUH to heavens on the event of Miraj is exactly how red ink drops were on His (AS) shirt. Theres a huge difference of Miraj being a spiritual journey and being a physical journey. Physical journey is something He(AS) took care of , and approved of His (SAW)'s spiritual journey to heavens.
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Can you see how many heresies this little passage contains? If you can not then there is something seriously wrong with you. *It should be me who should be demanding from the Administrators of this forum to ban Mr. Popat. *

Let me tell you, one place he says;

1- *That Mirza approved of Prophet SAW spiritual journey. *

So w*ho the heck is Mirza to approve Prophet Muhammad SAW Journey of the Miraj? *

Secondly this heretical fool whom I correctly called fool due to his heresies, in one place says that Mirza approved of Prophet Muhammad SAW spiritual journey, implying it was a spiritual journey.

But on the other side, he says like Allah SWT took Prophet SAW to heavens during Miraj, exactly how red ink dropped on Mirza. Fact is the red ink drops were physical, so *he is also saying that Miraj was like these drops, meaning physical. *

I have every right to call him what I called. *You guys are so immune due to the lies of Mirza and his non-sense that you have lost every sight of right and wrong, and what is acceptable in the Islamic teachings. No wonder you take Mirza’s lies against the Holy Quran, the Word of Allah SWT, and against the Prophets mentioned in the Holy Quran (Peace be upon them all) without much worry. *

Notice, Mr. it is your cultists who are trying to attack me personally, after finding no answers to the questions I posed. I have absolutely every right to respond in kind.

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Re: Mirza attacks Prophet ISA AS of the Holy Quran

u can't reply to anything ... u ppl alwayz skip main & imp point which i ask ... u haven't answer my first two question from weeks ...

So go back to original foundation of islam .. don't try to change facts ... its like deceiving innocent / uneducated people ...

Timepass - March 2014
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Yaar come on … what religious figure … Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) is enough for u .. so u need someone like him …

Suppose 2marrow some ppl amongst you … start dividing ahmadiyaa / qadiyani / mirzai ur so called true islam … what do think about that …

hehehhe …

check this out ..

mirza ghulam ahmad - Google Images

What do u think ? …

Check the poses …

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Are you really that Ignorant? How many sects are out there? How many sects would there be If ahmadis weren’t there? What Sect do you belong to? Why not “brother up” with Muslims from other sects and pray together in the same mosques from now on? Why have Sunni/Shia mosques etc. ?

What’s so funny?

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Peace All,

I've been reading some of this thread. The fact remains that the Quran in Sura 33:40 states very clearly that NO MORE Prophets are coming from GOD. The Quran was the last scripture, making Prophet Muhammad the last prophet. However, that does not mean he is the last messenger as GOD has distinguished in Quran that prophets come with scripture, messengers confirm scriptures. Thus, all prophets are messengers, but not all messengers are prophets. This is something many muslims have are confused on as many think a prophet and a messenger are the same thing when they are not.[Quran 33:40] Muhammad was not the father of any man among you. He was a messenger ** **of GOD and the **final prophet. GOD is fully aware of all things.**
The arabic is very clear, 'rasoolallah wa Khaatimun Nabiyeen' (messenger and final prophet).**
*Rasool = messenger, *
*allah = God, *
*wa = and, *
*Khaatimun = final, *
**Nabiyeen = prophet Now, if Mirza claims to be a messenger than he would have to come with proof or signs of authorization from GOD in the form of a miracle by GOD's leave. In addition, it would have to be witnessed by others because the purpose of the miracle is so people can be certain that particular person is authorized by GOD as a messenger, and GOD's miracles are never subtle.

I am not bashing your religious beliefs. However, the Quran teaches us how to distinguish who is an authorized messenger from GOD, and who is an impostor.

So, I ask all Ahmadiyyat, where is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's miracle proof of authorization from GOD? All messengers come with miracles by GOD's leave. So, where is it? Until this can be answered with solid evidence, according to the Quran, he is **NOT **an authorized by GOD. He person is not a prophet. He is not a messenger.

peace
submitmj

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Re: Mirza attacks Prophet ISA AS of the Holy Quran

^^^Bagthey chore ki langooty hi sahih.......

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Crazy Talk of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani

alhafeez.org/rashid/antshunt.htm

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Re: Mirza attacks Prophet ISA AS of the Holy Quran

TO All qadiyani or mirzai or whatever u call urself "Read Quran with Translation and Tafsir"

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As per my last reqests

If have a time to answers a JAHIL answers
we better to do spend our time for prayers
paryers for whole muslims living around the earth

These Shranks Cranks Abu Jahils doing therer roles as per they did in past,

what we have just prayers

TUM DUA HII KARO
YE DUA HII TOU THII
JIS NE TODDA

THA SAR NAMRUD KA

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Sinner

always be a sinner

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app tou ek tamashbeen ki tra hain
you know what i mean

same like old Arabs

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thanks 4 compliment .. atleast im not deceiving people ... I accept my sins .. which i comited ..

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^^You astray people are SUMMUN, BUKMUN and UMYUN.....But you will never understand that..Till your mouth is full of earth....

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hahah .. see .. kaysi agg lagi ...

Similarly i feel when people like Him ( mirza) divide Islam ...

yeah y to brother ... Each family should have thier own version of Islam (named on someone 4 family) .. happy nah

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What's so funny?
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He claimed to b a messiah ... but like to b photographed as model ... Observe his eye .. not looking into camera just like models ...