Mirza attacks Prophet ISA AS of the Holy Quran

During last few days, Qadianis kept complaining about me exposing Mirza through his writings. They have shown no courage to defend Mirza on the very issue, on which he based his false prophet hood. If they can not defend him on such basic quality which is a fundamental requirement for a Momin, let alone a self professed prophet, then on what they can defend Mirza, it is a question worth asking.

None could provide the evidence of that Siddiq by following his Sirah one can become a Prophet according to Mirza. Therefore, according to Mirza people could become Prophets by just following this Siddiq. What happened to the notion that Allah SWT appointed Prophets? But no answers are forth coming from his followers.

They also complaint for my use of direct language against Mirza. I off course only presented the evidence from the writings of Mirza and then exposed his lies. I present a very honest and factual analysis. Now I am going to first display the evidence how Mirza disrespected and slate a Mighty Prophet of Allah SWT, by associating to him AS, down right lies and deceptions. Funnily enough after slating Isa As of the Holy Quran he claimed to be his maseel i.e. exactly like him AS. While even a very slight glance on the life of Mirza proves otherwise.

But more interestingly, do all those allegations apply to Mirza too? After all he is the Maseel, i.e. exact copy of Prophet Isa As according to his claims.

It is the fundamental of Muslim’s faith to have beliefs on all the Prophet of Allah SWT named in the Holy Quran. Attacking a prophet of Islam mentioned in the Holy Quran, automatically removes one from the fold of Islam.

I provide short cut to my article first before asking questions from the followers of Mirza.

Heresies of Mirza II- Attacks on ISA AS Crankthatskunk’s Weblog

Now the questions;

1- Mirza writes, (evidence produced in the article) “We are assigned to this task by Khuda (he keeps using this horrid word for Allah SWT) that Prophet Isa As is true Prophet of Khuda, and there is not a single word in my writings that could be against him As and his As status. Anyone who thinks this is mistaken and a liar.”

I have provided proofs after proofs that Mirza did slate Prophet Isa As of the Holy Quran and used sacrilegious words against him As. Prove that after undeniable proofs from the writings of Mirza are displayed in above article, why the Muslims should not consider Mirza a liar?

2- Mirza said he can not use Opium but then according to your sources he used aphrodisiac whose main ingredient was opium.

3- He said that Muslims should remember Quran forbid use of Alcohol, but then he himself writes that using Alcohol in side the house is permitted.

While Holy Quran has forbidden use of Alcohol and Intoxicants both, tell us how Mirza was a Muslim let alone a self professed prophet after using the (Haram) forbidden substances? How he can be Muslim after writings sacrilege against a mighty Prophet of Allah SWT?

4- Mirza stated that Allah SWT used the word “soul from us” Rooh for H Isa As to clear him from the charges the Jews leveled against his birth. But Holy Quran decreed that Allah SWT gave the glad tiding to Mary before the conception of Prophet ISA As. I want Qadianis to defend Mirza and prove from the Holy Quran that what he wrote is correct.

5- Mirza lied once again about the Quranic verse and said Isa As was not the closet of the God during his As era. Even though Quranic evidence suggests otherwise. Clear Mirza from his lies.

6- Mirza alleged that he received revelations from God stating “I will not depart from this earth before a specific period. “ Explain what does this means? Why Allah SWT was on Earth, for how long and for what purpose? What happened to the concept in Islam that Allah SWT is “Maojood”? Also please defend Mirza’s writings, give reasons why we Muslims should not treat Mirza as a Jew? And as a consequence of following him, you Qadianis should not be treated as Jews?

Please do not complain, you always call Muslims acting like Jews, I on the other hand asking these questions after providing proofs from the writings of Mirza that his ideas were Jewish, you should defend him.

7- Show us the Hadiths, which says; Allah SWT would declare at the Day of the Judgment that “He was sick, Hungary and Naked” as claimed by Mirza.

8- Answer the questions asked in the article in connection of the Red Ink, remember, Mirza said the drops fall on him and his servant, therefore, it is physical and not metaphorical. Show us under what law of Physics these drops fall on Mirza and from where?

9- Mirza claimed that Jews using they are “Sons of God” is not denied in the holy Quran, I have shown the Quranic evidence, clear Mirza and prove that Quran does not deny their claim.

10- Mirza also write that Prophet Muhammad SAW was given the highest honor to call people as “O my creation”. Mirza says this is evidence that such usage as parable is allowed in the Quran and is wide spread. I have stated Verse 39:53 prove that Mirza told the truth and it is stated as such in the Quran, like Mirza claimed.

11- Mirza also said Allah SWT appears in front of his opponent to testify for the truthfulness of Mirza. Prove it from the Holy Quran and Islamic teachings that Seeing Allah SWT in physical form is possible. Also tell us Allah SWT has a physical form, if He has then please tell us what is this form?

This is enough for time being, I have given the list this time, so Qadianis do not make excuses that it is not clear what I am trying to ask and the tasks they face to clear Mirza.

Good Luck to you all.

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This is again another one of your rambling posts, with a link to your lengthy blog which is full of dishonest claims and illogical arguments, and without the proper references of the quoted sources.

If you want answers, then you need to organize your thoughts and questions better. Post the questions here on this site one at a time, and provide references from the sources you are quoting. And be respectful of others. Because of the derogatory language you have used against Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS), you will not elicit much response from Ahmadis on this site.

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This issue has already been answered. Please read the following post and challege the points made in the post and links provided.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/6513841-post579.html

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Yaar that guy was totally amazing ... & the people who follow such guyz r more than amazing ... i feel laufin on them ...

How much evidence u give them ... they won't see it .. they will come up with something else ... What the heck ...

Just one advise to them Just Follow The Quran ... Not a ordinary Person ..

They Can't answer simple question ask by a normal person (like me) ... what they will do in front of Religious Scholars ...

  1. What is so special being in Ahmadi ???

  2. R u trying to fill in the Gap b/w 1-72 sects ???

  3. How Mr. Ahmad came to know Hazrat ISA (as) came.. die .. & buried in Kashmir ?? (hahaha)

How did we actually come up with the Idea that Jesus(PBUH) came to the earth, did NOT die, but instead rose up to the heavens and is still living up there and waiting for his "substitution"? (hahaha)

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This issue has already been answered. Please read the following post and challege the points made in the post and links provided.
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I had a look at the short cut you provided, I am afraid it does not provide any answers to the questions asked by me. The evidence displayed in my articles is conclusively proving that Mirza wrote against the Isa As of the Holy Quran. Therefore, it is dishonesty on the part of the Qadiani to say he did not.

You simply got two choices either to prove that the quotations provided in my articles are not genuine or defend Mirza for his heresies against the Prophet Isa As of the Holy Quran and against the Holy Quran the Word of Allah SWT. This standard answer that it was against the Jesus of the Bible does not wash, when in the quotations he is clearly talking about the Holy Quran and quote Quranic verses.

I will appreciate all of you could be honest in your approach. I deliberately didn’t include his attacks on the Jesus of the Bible, only the incident of the women, to prove what Mirza wrote and what actually Bible says is completely different. So even in the case of attacking the Jesus of the Bible he was dishonest. Nevertheless, you have to answer the heresies against the Isa As of the Holy Quran and against the Quran itself.

You probably missed this paragraph in my article;

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Mirza attacked Prophet Isa As at various places in his writings; actually this was one of his favorite pastimes. We only intend to include limited evidence and provide arguments against it. The space in this article does not permit us to include everything Mirza wrote against Prophet Isa As. Mirza’s followers can produce other proofs from the writings of Mirza to prove otherwise, but it could only prove that Mirza’s writings had contradictions and his whole purpose was to confuse the issue.
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I have already taken care of your answers. This was the practice of Mirza when he got attacked he will back track and issue the statements which you produced. But fact remains, he did write against the Isa As of the Holy Quran, in the quotations I have provided, therefore, the allegations stand against him, please prove that he did not write these heretical ideas and did not slate Prophet ISA As of the Holy Quran.

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Brother crankthatskunk it is useless to argue with these appointed for money people who by hook or by crook proves Mirza as Isa(AS). And not only Isa(AS)** BUT ALL IN ONE**. What he didn’t claim to be, but still these people are believing him…Even if you tell a moron or child his(Mirza) story, he will not believe that, forget about a sane person.

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my take on this qadiani and ahmadi is that it a recent religion created by the british to breakdown the sunna so therefore this qadiani religion is false and should be discarded

there is a link to a book as we which should be sufficient for your or anyone else's satisfaction.

a repy has been made as regard to this allegation. Read the book if you stil have any issues regarding this allegation. The link has been posted above.

And Ahamdolillah thats why people are joining Ahmadiyya the true Islam all over the world…

provide the proof of ur allegations.

hmmm …

Jesus in India | Tomb of Jesus | Where Did Jesus Die | Jesus in Islam - Al Islam Online

check ur official website ..

What about first two questions??

where are answers ???

from past weeks im asking u ?

  1. What is so special being in Ahmadi ???

  2. R u trying to fill in the Gap b/w 1-72 sects ???

but none of u give a answer ...

Book ?? which book ... i don't believe in any other book then Holy Quran ...

what what what ... how many UK visa u r offering ???

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7- Show us the Hadiths, which says; Allah SWT would declare at the Day of the Judgment that “He was sick, Hungary and Naked” as claimed by Mirza.

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Pls refer to the point 7. Here is a Hadith from sahih muslim,

"Book 032, Number 6232:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Verily, Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, would say on the Day of Resurrection: O son of Adam, I was sick but you did not visit Me. He would say: O my Lord; how could I visit Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine was sick but you did not visit him and were you not aware of this that if you had visited him, you would have found Me by him? O son of Adam, I asked food from you but you did not feed Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I feed Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? He said: Didn't you know that such and such servant of Mine asked food from you but you did not feed him, and were you not aware that if you had fed him you would have found him by My side? (The Lord would again say: ) O son of Adam, I asked drink from you but you did not provide Me. He would say: My Lord, how could I provide Thee whereas Thou art the Lord of the worlds? Thereupon He would say: Such and such of servant of Mine asked you for a drink but you did not provide him, and had you provided him drink you would have found him near Me."

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What is the topic of this thread ? He (AS) attacked Isa (AS)? Alright.

Why are there other questions raised by you which has nothing to do with the title of the thread?

It is rather foolish of you to raise piles of questions with no particular question in mind that you want to clear first. 11 questions out of which half of them dont even have anything to do with Hazrat Isa (AS). It will only make you look stupid to keep writing paragraphs over paragraphs. This will not make you right, no matter how long you reply/post.

PS: why do you not take Hazrat Isa (AS)'s death proven by Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) as 'attack' on him? this claim of Him shook the very fundamental belief of orthodox so-called-muslims.. but you people are ok with it i guess ?? so, Isa (AS)'s death is not an attack on Him right?

Here are the initial pages from ‘Noor-ul Quran, RK vol 9, pages 375-376’. Here Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed, the promised Messiah has explained beforehand regarding his comments.


His comments were against ‘yasu’ of bible whose person and character is not supported by Quran. and these comments came as a response to the very abusive and base attacks against the holiest of the human beings, our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).

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Thank you chughtai sahab. I was reading the exact same pages but did not know how to take page out of the book and paste it over here. I was thinking of giving him the link of that book instead. Thank you for ur input.

I also would like to add to it that when all the maulvis at that time were sleeping and had nothing to say to defend Islam against christian missionaries accusation, at that time the Imam Mahdi Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) raised His pen and defeated them with their own beliefs of Jesus. That Jesus had nothing to do with Isa (AS) of Quran , the one who was the true apostle of Allah. This is admitted by many of ur scholars that He (AS) defeated the christian missionary incharge. Where were your scholars then ; when they were calling Muhammad PBUH names ? and attacked Islam with all possible ways ?

The only choice left for Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) was to defend Islam,and the only way to do that was to not point finger at Jesus (AS) since Jesus (AS) was an apostle of Allah too.. what choice was left was to show their own beliefs to differentiate our Jesus (AS) with their made-up yusu-Maseeh.

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4- Mirza stated that Allah SWT used the word “soul from us” Rooh for H Isa As to clear him from the charges the Jews leveled against his birth. But Holy Quran decreed that Allah SWT gave the glad tiding to Mary before the conception of Prophet ISA As. I want Qadianis to defend Mirza and prove from the Holy Quran that what he wrote is correct.

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The cutting from 'Al-Hakam' that you displayed in your 'article' talks about Esa (as) of Quran. So what problem do you have with that passage? I don't see anything disrespectful in that. Now your question...

ُPlease tell me where did Allah used the term 'soul from us' for Hazrat Esa in Quran when glad tidings of his birth were given to Mary (a.s) ?
Now This is our understanding of the term 'soull from us(Allah)'. I would like to know what is your concept regarding this term? Is it similar to that of christians or something else? I need to know what do you understand by it?