In your opinion, what constitutes as a miracle? Are miracles outside the natural laws of nature or are they something out of the ordinary for the people of that particular time? You can give your own reasoning, scientific or otherwise and can also explain your belief using any scripture.
Moajzaa comes from "Aijaaz" which means some thing that leaves no choice but to surrender (AAjiz kar denaa) so literally speaking karaamat and moajzaa are two different things.... and moajzaa is some thing given to the appointed apostles in reference to what was in that time.. like Moses was given something that was not magic but to fight with it as magic was the main skills at the time.. similarly Rasoolulah (SAW) was given Quran as literature was on it's height!
Song is good.
Do you believe in miracles! ?
Do you believe in the light of God
And he shines deep into you heart
now and forever
If you look deep into your heart and see what you can see
You find you got faith and you really do believe
You believe in the Father
You believe in the Son
You believe in the Spirit and they are all as one
We live in a new age a time that we should give
A time to love each other a time to forgive
Its time to separate our physical desires to meet our Spiritual needs
To live to give to each other and the grace of God is what we need
Agree or disagree?
Maybe I should give an example to explain my question.
It is believed that Hazrat Ibrahim (as) was thrown in fire but the fire turned into a comfortable flower & is considered one of his miracles. Some believe that this miracle was literal or in other words the fire in actual turned into a big actual flower. Other’s believe that Hazrat Ibrahim (as) came out of the fire safely as if it was a comfortable flower – metaphorically speaking. And give general explanations, for instance, their could have been a sudden thunder shower that put out the fire in which he was pushed in and so he came out relatively harmless. Or there are people who have skin that is better resistant to over heat & usually a brush of fire doesn’t harm them. Hazrat Ibrahim (as) could have such a skin & that in itself served as a miracle at that time. Yet there are others who interpret such miracles totally metaphorical; believing that the fire mentioned in this event is nothing more than an opposition or immense persecution that is common against the prophet’s of Allah & Hazrat Ibrahim (as) coming out of the fire safely means that none of his enemies’ attempts harmed him.
So, some take the miracles literally, others consider them under the law of nature just out of the ordinary for that particular time & some say that most of such miracles are indeed parables or metaphorical references. My query was to see what most people here believe, which way their vote sways and how they back up their belief.
strongly beleive them being literal!
but where in quran says ibrahim experienced a garden instead "bardaoon wa salaamaa"
though i beleive that was possible for ALLAH too!
Believe that miracles are possible.
Gadha & AAG, can I also have a little statement on the scientific nature of the miracles as you believe them? Do you guys believe that the miracles are in fact out of the common natural laws of God or do they only seem to be but in fact are governed by natural laws unknown to man at that time?! For the above example, that would mean that a person believes that the fire turned into an actual garden but they also believe that such an event is not something that breaks the laws of nature that govern our universe, even though at this time we cannot explain the “how”.
Just to give a little more perspective to the discussion; let me also give the two thoughtful reasoning that I have read people quote to explain their belief. Mostly those who believe in literal miracles establish their belief in Allah being Al-Qadir (The Able One) & can do whatever He so chooses to do. Those who do take the miracles under the natural laws of Allah argue that the position of Allah being Al-Khaliq (The perfect Creator) and Al-Hakam (The Perfect Judge) stress that his natural system that we live in when established was/is also Perfect & so the miracles are part of this system(s) but manifest as extra ordinary sign in support of his followers.
I believe in miracles, they are acts which defy Human logic (like an Indian pace bowler :p), and would require devine allowance.
I know that if you add all the miracles of all the prophets together, they are like a specof dust against even the smallest miracle of the beloved of Allah. The greatest miracle ever is Al Quran, the book of Allah.
All the previous prophets before Muhammad (PBUH) had shown miracles. This was required because the people in those days demanded it. The miracles of Moses and Jesus, peace and blessings of God be upon them, are well known.
While Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) arrived on the scene when mankind was on the threshold of an era of reason and discovery, and there was no dire need of miracles like the ones shown by previous prophets and therefore he spread word of God by sound arguments. When the people of Mecca, asked him to show miracles, prophet told them that if your nature makes you renounce reason, miracles too will be rejected by you as magic (4:7).
Because Islam is the religion chosen by God (Allah) until the end of time, and since Mohammad (peace be upon him [pbuh]) is the last of the prophets, the greatest miracles of Islam have to be of a lasting nature. Splitting of the sea by Moses , which was witnessed only by those who were present during the event, the miracles of the Qur'an can be witnessed over and over by all generations till the end of time. The greatest miracles of Islam lie within the Quran and can be witnessed by anyone simply by reading the words of God.
Quran carries the message that in the eyes of God, there is no difference between an Arab and a non-Arab or a black person and a white person except by his or her fear of Allah and the righteous deeds he or she does. Thats called a miracle!
I personally wont believe someone moved a mountain a long back but a little act of kindness done long back can still inspire me. So Islam is a practical religions . People who still are living in some fantacy world and praying for some miracle to help their lives are living in fools's paradise. Prophet (PBUH) hardships and struggle is a clear evidence that Islam ia a very practical religion.
Ahmadjee can u explain why Mirza Sahib in this age claimed he performed more than a million miracles!
I have to say that I believe in miracles in the natural sense.
I do think that some stories that are taken literally by some really were efforts to explain the unexplainable by various peoples of ancient times.
And I think that some people who take stories literally, do so because that is what they were taught to believe.
Hard to for me to write exactly the right words to explain my thinking on this.
AVG, I am really interested to know what do you believe of the miracles of Jesus (as). As there are not many who believes in Jesus (Christians or Muslims) who would deny his miracles in their natural sense.
Degas, you need to read a few more Hadiths to find miracles performed by the Holy Prophet (saw). Just to give you a hint, maybe you should read the Hadiths where the sahaba were hungry and with one glass of milk, hardly enough to feed one, quenched the thirst of a dozen & still had left over. There are others that report cracking of the moon and shifting of the sun!
Mirza Sahib's own miracles left alone, some of the miracles of his followers are mind boggling. You can still find a couple being the first hand witnesses for such miracles. For you, me being Mirza Sahib's follower debating with you today, the same Mirza Sahib everyone was/is head over heels to crush, should be a miracle worthy enough! But then, this thread is about miracles, not Mirza Sahib.
The word "miracle" should only be used where something that can not be explained by normal natural science occur. Anything else is not a miracle but some extraordinary feat/circumstances. A miracle is therefor something that goes against the laws of nature.
ahmadjee
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did performed some miracles but how many of those were to convert non-muslims and strenthen the iman of muslims? People in this age dont believe in miracles and would hardly be convinced by those but miracle of Quran has power. It is the binding force for more than 2 billion muslims around the world.. I dont know how many qadianis beliece in more than 1 million miracle claimed by Mirza.. Islam is a very simple and real religion and encompases whole aspect of human life. It doesnt wait for any ,iracle to change their lives or help them. It doesnt believe in short cuts.
I believe a miracle is nothing more than an open indicator of Allah swt showing his Might and Majesty in clear signs. We always ask Allah swt
to show us so that believe and then he reveals the truth only to whom he wills
The people of Israel told Moses show us your God.
And the ocean was openend so that they could walk through
and the Firaun drowned.
I dont think they walked metaphorically... but literally
Same as with Prophet Ibrahim ... he was thrown in an actual
fire.. and Allah swt commanded the fire to be safe for him
The Quran was a miracle ... its words are like unmatchable poetry
which none of the poets of that time could even compare to.
The poets themselves knew that no man.. especially an illiterate man
who could not read and write could ever come up with the like of it.
Again a literal physical form. The Quran has a lot of other secrets
but for an example this should be enough.
Just to clarify that The Qur'an doesn't tell us about any miracles for Prophet Muhammad in fact it goes on to even stress that he wasn't here to convince people through miracles anymore cuz these people killed prophets before Muhammad who did indeed bring miracles.
Sadly later generations, to compete with flowery Christian/Jewish stories adorned with miracles of their prophets, felt inferior enough to 'invent' and attribute them to the Prophet or purposely stressed on a 'literal interpretation' for verses in the Qur'an that could be attributed as describing some supernatural phenomenon.
Take for e.g. the simple verse about the Lord taking his servant from one place of prostration to another. Nothing in the verse suggests it's a supernatural journey but today popular Muslim opinion is otherwise.
In my opinion, miracles are gifts given by God to a very few for some "higher" reasoning.
:)
PA
It was a physical journey
Believe what u will…
What you do is nothing but interpret using common sense.
Explain to me what common sense tells us that the ocean can
be split apart and people walk through it. Maybe that didnt happen
either:hoonh:
Neither you were there neither i.
Rather debating individual miracles, maybe guppies can explain or stress on the reasoning behind their respective beliefs. Some verses of a scripture that dictate that no other interpretation than the literal one should be understood and proves that all such miracles were actual events, some archeological findings that support your belief, any logical arguments negating such miracles, any personal experiences etc.
PA, from your post I understand that you believe in literal miracles of the prophets of the past, namely Judeo-Christian prophets, but believe that after Islam all such miracles seized? If I have understood you right, then maybe you can tell us (preferably from Quran) why do you believe as such?
The Old Man, Glad to see you here :) So, does Bible define what a miracle is? If no, what is your argument behind the belief you stated in a good straightforward manner?
ahmadjee,
I haven't researched it that well to say if the earlier miracles are to be taken literally or figuratively but this description below sure seems miraculous:
[26:63] Then We revealed to Musa: Strike the sea with your staff. So it had cloven asunder, and each part was like a huge mound.
D500s
When the Qur'an tells me something specifically and clear as the verse above, I hear and obey. when scholars force whimsical interpretations on divine text, I object.
If you can show me clear verses indicating some sort of physical journey i'd be glad to learn and correct my understading of the issue.
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Story of your life!
Our master split the moon, called back the sun and physically met Allah above 7 heavans, the Al Isra Wal Miraj is physically true.
You seriously need to listen to some scholars man.