Miracles & Magic

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Re: Miracles & Magic

@Mughal1

Regardless, for you belief in miracles is so important that every event is a miracle for you even if there is alternative rational explanation for it but for me it is very much against the very purpose of the revelation of the quran. My point is that every event must be explained rationally save where such explanation is not possible at all. In that context there are only two things that we cannot explain other than direct act of God. a) creation of the universe and b) divine revelation. You are tying everything together without distinction and that is what I do not accept.

In my view creation necessarily has a creator and even though we cannot link evidently these two we are forced by reason alone to accept this idea. Likewise if the creator has created the world then he must have reason for it therefore unless he tells us why he created us we could not know and that makes revelation a necessity. This is why these two things should not be mixed with a load of other so called miracles. If you must then you must have such a reason that makes them absolute necessity. If you cannot then you cannot convince me to accept idea of random miracles.

As for the person of the prophets, I do not accept that any other person was more suitable for that mission in their time. In that context you are right that our messenger was the best man of his time and comparatively this ummah is best of the ummahs. However, evolution stands true for human development and I do not agree that that our prophet was illiterate. He was best of people in his time means he was above all others in every good way ie he was most knowledgeable even before revelation. What revelation did was make him even higher than he was. It is something like a child is clever and then education makes him even more clever and bright.

Peace Mughal1

So what is the rational explanation for how Ibrahim (AS) was not burned by the fire, noting that technologies for fire protection were not around in those days and that they would be useless anyway for the duration he (AS) was in the fire anyway. Or how Isa (AS) spoke as a young child …

Yet you have settled for 2 miracles to accept … But you reject others this is inconsistency … If you believe God is so Powerful to make the universe then everything else becomes possible and plausible even. The only way you can argue against miracle is to reject it wholesale. Then there comes the burden of proof … You have no way of showing your beliefs are true and as per the belief of the best Muslims, whereas we have the Hadith … You have nothing.

It is extremely troubling that you do not believe that RasoolAllah (SAW) is not the best person of all time … It is odd that you are referring to human evolution that cannot be proven … He (SAW) was unlettered … But was not ignorant … This is history … There are du’as where we call him ummi … (SAW) … And so revelation you accept is miracle … At least you accept that much.

May we all be guided … Ameen.