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Im sorry it is not obvious to me. In todays age a news like that is not suppressed, please find a reference indicating mass conversions. at any rate there is no evidence for any violent means being used at a large scale, isolated incidents aside.
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I never claimed that either. Hindus were probably looked at like outsiders and faced social problems- so they either converted to fit in, or left for India. Both .
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many temples in Lahore and Karachi
They were converted to masjids a while back so is there even any record of there existence?
Sabil masjid was originally Guru Mandir....no?
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Thank you, Indopak.
Without you I wouldn't have known that fact either:
Quoting Farid from the very thread:
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One wrong doesn’t make other right. But when we talk about Hindus, we talk about Sindhi Hindus. As far I know they are more discriminated in India than in Pakistan. These Hindus generally live in Bombay, they are afraid to speak Sindhi and their children even don't speak their mother tongue. Their children or young generation adapted to other cultures and languages. Infact Hindus who migrated to India were forced to change their identity and culture. At least their culture or language is still alive in Sindh Pakistan, where they originally belonged.
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one of babuji's quotes:
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People are quick to point fingers at the Babri Masjid demolition, but quickly overlook what happens in their backyard.
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did I say that babri masjid should've been destroyed?? NO!
The politicians had no right to bring up the past going all the way back to the mughal times and causing problems between hindus and muslims in india
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But the fact remains that many ancient,historical temples were also destroyed in Pakistan without any record of there existence....why?
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Without indulging in any comparisons, which are always odious, with
other communities for the sake of reader's curiosity it is revealed
that the Muslim community numbering 81,450,057 in 1981 registered an
increase of 158% by the year 1997 by scoring 129,373,850. The Hindu
community increased by 192% from 1,276,116 in 1981 to 2,451,294 in
1997.
is there any significance to basing the comparison from 1981 to 1997 rather than 1947 to current? It would be interesting to see that and if the percentage trend holds up
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Guys, stop crying the numbers, can anyone show "mass killings" of minorites in Pakistan a la Gujrat? Those who are quoting current numbers of minorities and comparing them with pre-1947 "%" can you also present the numbers that migrated from Pakistan to India?
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and its silly to claim that Pakistan is kind to its religious minorities- coz there are very few of them.
I don't know about that. The very same arguments Indians use to defend their treatment of minorities...namely, the existence of a handful of prominent Muslims...can just as easily be applied to Pakistan. Since independence, there have been a number of prominent non-Muslim chief justices of the Supreme Court and provincial High Courts, politicians, government ministers, diplomats, industrialists, sportsmen, etc...
Those who are quoting current numbers of minorities and comparing them with pre-1947 "%" can you also present the numbers that migrated from Pakistan to India?
A valid point. West Pakistan's non-Muslim population essentially cleared out during Partition. By 1951, they only made up 3% of the population.
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Why wasn't the existence of these thousands of years old temples ever recorded??
And they were so easily destroyed and converted
Once the non-Muslim population fled, there wasn't anyone left to maintain these temples and gurudwaras.
On the same token, there are hundreds if not thousands of pre-Partition mosques in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal, that have since been razed or converted into temples, gurudwaras, etc. Once the Muslim population abandoned the area, there was no one left to maintain these properties, and they were taken over by other communities.
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Once the non-Muslim population fled, there wasn't anyone left to maintain these temples and gurudwaras.
On the same token, there are hundreds if not thousands of pre-Partition mosques in Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal, that have since been razed or converted into temples, gurudwaras, etc. Once the Muslim population abandoned the area, there was no one left to maintain these properties, and they were taken over by other communities.
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There are some sikhs families in my town and they never complain. Plus, there are other non-muslim communities like Christians, Ahmadi, etc. and they live happily too. The other day I was watching phoren media and one reporter was saying, "going to Pakistan is like betting on your life.." bet the reporter hasn't been to Pakistan even once.
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Well…if you bothered thinking about it, you’d realize that it’s common sense really. Indian Punjab (now Punjab, Haryana, and Himachal) were around 40% Muslim prior to Partition…Muslims were the majority community in a number of cities like Ludhiana, Kapurthala, and Simla, and were even the largest community in Amritsar itself. Anyone with an iota of common sense could tell you that its silly to think that all the thousands of mosques in the kuchas and gallis of these cities, and in all the remote villages in the countryside have been faithfully maintained after virtually all of the Muslims fled.
"The Union Government has identified 3,378 Sunni properties, including mosques, graveyards, takkias and khankahs in Amritsar and Tarn Taran districts. This was notified on January 9, 1971.
Most of them have either been encroached upon [read: converted for other uses] or are in dilapidated condition."
“According to the administrator of the Board, Dr. Mohammad Rizwanul Huq, the Punjab Waqf Board controls 36,000 waqf properties. Of these, court cases for either adverse occupation or encroachment are pending against half of the estates.” http://www.islamicvoice.com/june.2002/community.htm
“He claimed that there were about 25,000 mosques in the united Punjab (Punjab, Haryana and Himachal Pradesh) at the time of Partition. Most of these were closed or converted into temples or gurdwaras. However, over a period of time, about 4,000 mosques had been opened and returned to the community. [which is good, but it still means about 21,000 haven’t]” http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070706/ldh1.htm
I’ve read in other places that Amritsar, which was 49% Muslim and home to over 500 mosques prior to Partition, didn’t have a single functional mosque from 1947 till the late 1980’s.
Just in case anyone is confused, my point is not to argue that all however many thousand mosques be restored to the Muslim community…that would be pointless considering the fact that there are virtually no Muslims left in most of these areas. Rather, I’m just pointing out that the same thing happened on both sides of the border…which apparently some Indians have a very hard time accepting.
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I don't know about that. The very same arguments Indians use to defend their treatment of minorities...namely, the existence of a handful of prominent Muslims...can just as easily be applied to Pakistan.
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that's a FLAWED argument- hether used by Indians or Pakistanis.
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hey, if you quote statistical trends be prepared for what it means. you can't cry now!
The point of discussion is diminishing pakistani minorities which you indians crow from roof tops for obvious reasons.... So what happened now, Pakistan Christian Post claims a very large minority and growing... Are you trying to play with numbers or with words, don't try just stick to plain simple discussion at hand and that is minorities in Pakistan are as safe as any 3rd world country.