There are few “minorities” left in Pakistan. don’t willingly close your eyes.
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There are few "minorities" left in Pakistan. don't willingly close your eyes.
If you think the 5 Million Christians plus the 2/3 Million odd Hindus we have is "few" then you are only fooling yourself.
Vineshvk, its your biased mentality which sees these issues as examples of "muslim supremacy". I dont see how calling a spade a spade -- in this case pointing out the perpetrators of the horrible mass rapes and murders and pillaging which went on in Gujrat, with the approval of the leadership Indians elected and re-elected subsequently -- is an issue of "supremacy." That possibly just breeds from your own insecurities as a Hindu.
Why don't you instead press your government that leaders like Modi be fired from office? Why are you not concerned about what your army does in Kashmir? Because doing so would reinforce your perceived sense of
muslim supremacy" (whatever that is)?
Re: Why Muslim women were mutilated in Gujarat
^^ It is "few". LOL. Before partition, 24% of present day Pakistan were Hindus. Now that proportion is abysmally low.
Re: Why Muslim women were mutilated in Gujarat
^^ It is "few". LOL. Before partition, 24% of present day Pakistan were Hindus. Now that proportion is abysmally low.
You know that is nonsense. 24% is an abnormally high figure quoted by BJP and their likes to support their agendas. There were never any mass conversions or slaughters based on religion on Pakistan -- that remains a uniquely Indian phenomenon.
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Ofcourse muslims are very pious ppl. Only Hindus are mass murderers.
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The 24% to 3% change in Hindu population of Pakistan coiuld also have been due to the phenominal Muslim fertiility rate as opposed to that of Hindus.
In fact the polygamy ratio was designed in Islam just for such development.
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This has been discussed before at GS.. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=23172&highlight=Statistician
Pakistani Christians: statistical data
I am a Pakistani American and a demographical statistician by
profession. I owe loyalty to my motherland particularly to Sialkot
region where I was educated. These days I come across news about
oppression of minorities the world over, including Pakistan, and
subsequent migration.
I can at least attest about my own Pakistani Christian community. The
propaganda of Christians being persecuted and forced to migrate to
other counties smacks of ill-conceived knowledge of demographic data.
In 1901 the Christians living in areas approximating West and East
Pakistan numbered 32,000. By the year 1961 in the same region their
number rose to 733,000. In 1972 even after the separation of East
Pakistan, in the present (West) Pakistan alone the Christian population
increased to 907,861 which rose to 1,310,426 in 1981 according to the
census of Pakistan. By the year 1997 they numbered 2,723,660, an
increase of 207% over 1981 figure.
Without indulging in any comparisons, which are always odious, with
other communities for the sake of reader’s curiosity it is revealed
that the Muslim community numbering 81,450,057 in 1981 registered an
increase of 158% by the year 1997 by scoring 129,373,850. The Hindu
community increased by 192% from 1,276,116 in 1981 to 2,451,294 in
1997.
The above data reveals that my Christian community has achieved the
highest percentage increase among the religious communities in
Pakistan. They were only 0.07 pc of population in 1901 but now they are
about 2 pc. Their proportion to total population has increased about
28.5 times and their population has increased 85 times.
My sole purpose in presenting these demographical statistical data is
to infuse understanding among different communities and restrain the
minorities in Pakistan from falling prey to disintegrating political
propaganda to meet selfish ends at the cost of national cohesion and
unity.
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^^ It is "few". LOL. Before partition, 24% of present day Pakistan were Hindus. Now that proportion is abysmally low.
I love this selective use of facts...
According to the 1941 census, the areas that would go on to become West Pakistan were approximately 80% Muslim. The bulk of the non-Muslim population was found in West Punjab...which was ethnically cleansed in the aftermath of Partition...just as East Punjab was ethnically cleansed of its Muslim population.
Yes, the non-Muslim population of what is now Pakistan went from 20% in 1941 to 2% today...but why don't you ever bother comparing that to areas where a similar degree of ethnic cleansing took place in India? East Punjab was about 40% Muslim in 1941...while today they make up 3% of the population.
Both sides did terrible things during Partition. Get off your high horse.
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^^Because that is quite beside the point, janab. **My point was that there were few minorities left in Pakistan. You accepted as much. **How does selective use of facts come into this? I never denied hindus and sikhs killed muslims during partition.
It sems that any mention of the crimes muslim league supporters committed during partition makes you uncomfortable
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^ Your general pattern seems to be presenting a very skewed version of history. Whether you're claiming that Babri Masjid was the only mosque ever destroyed in India, or saying that the vast majority of the victims of Partition violence were Hindus (as if you actually have an exact body count)...it seems as though you want to shift focus away from all the terrible things non-Muslims have done and focus exclusively on Muslim atrocities.
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i reallly don't know why I need to explain this. All i said was few minorities are left in pakistan, which you accepted, and then went on ranting about what Hindus did and other such completely irrelevent things.
If you understood what i meant, that's good- otherwise, I am not capable of explaining it to you.
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you're basically not making any novel point ummm. most people who use that statistical argument go on to try and show that what happened post partition in both india and pakistan but continues to happen every so often in india also happens in pakistan. that there was violence at the time of partition is such an everyday fact that it hardly registers as anything interesting, or particularly relevant since that had its very peculiar political circumstances that are not likely to be repeated, which means it doesnt apply to gujraat type everyday indian riots.
there is no hard evidence for similar violence post partition in Pakistan besides number-play which has many different explanations. however fact is Pakistan has alhamdulillah been relatively kinder to its minorities (even shias) than India has been to Muslims (and others), after the initial violence in both countries.
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^ U forgot all about Bangladesh.
when u have a state which professes by a religion then I dont think their minority can be considered safe by any standards. Of course no minority will dare do something than alienates the majority in Pakistan. Shaias sometimes does that and u have violence outbreak in karachi. A man said something about the religion and he was beaten to death by his own coworkers. Blasfamous laws is discriminatory in Pakistan. U can get away talking ill of a hindu god but cant if you talk bad about a Muslim God.
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you're basically not making any novel point ummm. most people who use that statistical argument go on to try and show that what happened post partition in both india and pakistan but continues to happen every so often in india also happens in pakistan. that there was violence at the time of partition is such an everyday fact that it hardly registers as anything interesting, or particularly relevant since that had its very peculiar political circumstances that are not likely to be repeated, which means it doesnt apply to gujraat type everyday indian riots.
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I was not trying to make any novel point. All i said was after partition, few hindus were left in pakistan- and its silly to claim that Pakistan is kind to its religious minorities- coz there are very few of them.
And look at Hindu population in Bangladesh. you don't see any abrupt drop in 1951 census, or even 1981- there is a steady decline. Obviously, they are either being forced to convert due to extreme social pressure or being forced out.
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^ U forgot all about Bangladesh. when u have a state which professes by a religion then I dont think their minority can be considered safe by any standards. Of course no minority will dare do something than alienates the majority in Pakistan. Shaias sometimes does that and u have violence outbreak in karachi. A man said something about the religion and he was beaten to death by his own coworkers. Blasfamous laws is discriminatory in Pakistan. U can get away talking ill of a hindu god but cant if you talk bad about a Muslim God.
Isn't that a pretty simliar case in India (vice versa actually)?
And as far as our religion is concerned best practise is to respect them all.
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There were in fact many temples destroyed in Pakistan too....
Why didn't Hindus in Pakistan start any major riots over all the destruction?
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I was not trying to make any novel point. All i said was after partition, few hindus were left in pakistan- and its silly to claim that Pakistan is kind to its religious minorities- coz there are very few of them.
Not really few. There is still a sizable number in pockets where they might form 30-40% of the population in one place. The same dynamic exists with the roles reversed as India in some places.
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And look at Hindu population in Bangladesh. you don't see any abrupt drop in 1951 census, or even 1981- there is a steady decline. Obviously, they are either being forced to convert due to extreme social pressure or being forced out.
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Im sorry it is not obvious to me. In todays age a news like that is not suppressed, please find a reference indicating mass conversions. at any rate there is no evidence for any violent means being used at a large scale, isolated incidents aside.
It is your bias that says they convert due to extreme social pressure, another could argue with just as much basis as you that they converted because they found the one true faith.
There were in fact many temples destroyed in Pakistan too.... Why didn't Hindus in Pakistan cause major riots over all the destruction?
You tell us. Whats your explanation for it?
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Which temples were destroyed in Pak? You mean after the Babri Masjid was destroyed in Delhi??
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It is your bias that says they convert due to extreme social pressure, another could argue with just as much basis as you that they converted because they found the one true faith.
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It is not my bias- its what I know about Hindus. I was born a Hindu and I can tell you Hindus would flare up if you "politely' ask them to convert.
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many temples in Lahore and Karachi
They were converted to masjids a while back so is there even any record of there existence?
Sabil masjid was originally Guru Mandir....no?