Militants hang 8-year-old boy in southern Afghanistan

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While I don’t disagree with the fact that the Taliban are ruthless killers and openly intimidate the local populace, the father is by no means a Mujahid. Considering this is Helmand we are talking about a strategic pipeline for the drug trade and he is an ANP officer he is involved in the Opium trade for a certainty and most likely also involved in weapon smuggling.

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There is propaganda from both sides. Do you expect me to believe LA Times, CNN and West Point? You should realize that they don't even have bureaus based in the KP region. I believe what I see from my own eyes, the destroyed schools, the markets, the houses. Also, its very easy to say that " Innocents suffer in all conflicts. To believe otherwise is to be naive," however when the bombs are coming towards YOUR family members, parents..I am sure that you will believe differently.

More importantly, these drone attacks are a violation of Pakistani sovereignty. Now I understand that many people could care less about FATA or KP, but recognize this: One day these drones could be hovering over Karachi, Lahore, and Islamabad. One day there could be a raid to defang Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. So a principled stand needs to be made.

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Yes, just like the Raymond Davis affair...kills Pakistani people in the middle of Lahore and is not a "spy" as per NY Times.

I condemn the loss of human life everywhere. I just don’t believe in these arbitrary titles of Taliban = Bad Guys, US = Good Guys. The reality is a lot more nuanced than that. Besides, the hypocrisy of many of the responses bothers me.

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Good job ignoring every point I made.

Firstly, I gave you a quote from a Pak general who is in the know on what goes on in Waziristan. And regardless, the LA times, CNN and West Point, are far more credible then Pakistani sources. I think yours is a case of shooting the messenger for the message. You apparently want to believe Americans kill civilians, and are simply unwilling to acknowledge the contrary.

Secondly. You claim or imply, that the Americans were INTENTIONALLY targeting civilians. How you come to this conclusion, you do not say, but seem to have convinced yourself of its truth.

Now lets look at this logically. What could the US, CIA, Nato, possibly gain from attacking civilians? They want to beat the Taliban, not the people...

Also, to say the US is intentionally targeting civilians is to imply something of Americans as a whole. You I assume have lived in the US. From your own understanding, are Americans generally hateful of Muslims? So much so that their Army and their policy would dictate that Muslim civilians be targeted and killed?

Americans may be demonized in Pakistan, but the reality is quite the opposite. I have more reason to suspect PAKISTAN would target civilians then I would the Americans, simply from my interaction with both.

What you think you see is not always reality. Who is blowing up this schools? Where is the evidence in support of these schools blown up by Americans? You make extraordinary claims without any evidence. Atleast I showed you some evidence, whether you believe it or not. Why should I believe you? You yourself claim no one is in KP to confirm this stuff, and yet here you are claiming Americans are blowing up schools! Last I checked it was the Taliban who were blowing up schools. Infact, this entire thread is on TALIBAN BRUTALITY!

Now innocents do suffer in all conflicts, and yes you are being Naive. This isnt a convenient answer, its acknowledgment of ground realities. The war is happening whether you like it or not. And quite frankly, as evidence shows, the drones do a much better job of minimizing destruction and death then other tactics would.

And Pakistani Sovereignty? What nonsense!
The violation of Pakistans sovereignty occurred the day the first foreign terrorist crossed into Pakistan. It happened the first day the Taliban decided they were in charge. It happened the day no Pakistani could venture into those areas under the control of these Taliban, for fear of being killed. So who who are you trying to kid here? Pakistani sovereignty is an enigma. Its meaningless so long as there are people using Pakistani soil to attack Pakistan and defy the writ of the govt.

We all care about KP and the FATA, and to believe otherwise is insulting. You seem to believe in allowing terrorists the run of the place. I believe in justice, and the Drones do that.

You stand is misplaced. You should stand against the Taliban, not against the drones that kill them. Your attitude is dangerous. The Taliban will be of hanging 8 year old's, destroying schools, beheading anyone they dont like, and suicide bombing markets, minorities and anyone else at their leisure, while your of jumping up and down celebrating Pakistan's sovereignty and protesting the drones! Congratulations.

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100 dollars to the person that notices the sheer stupidity of the above statement. I will give you a hint the second sentence directly contradicts the first statement.

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OMG…so much EVIDENCE :eek:

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Oh spare me your absolutist BS.. I examine things logically and honestly, and that must mean I worship America!

Are you telling me the Taliban are INNOCENT! How deluded are you!?!?

LOL... So the Taliban didnt hang an 8 YEAR old. I guess that means they are saints!

You work in Afganistan means squat. Have you EVIDENCE to show the drones target civilians? You dont like CNN, but you dont like reality either. Give me proof. You talk a lot, and you make tall claims, but stumbling about in Afghansitan doesn't make you an expert on US policy in KP. However, if we anyone's hungry, im sure we can rely on you to tell us where to find Afghanistan best Kabuli Pulao.

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This coming from a guy that says Pakistanis are not credible sources and then proceeds to quote Pakistani sources. Well done there Sherlock.

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I was talking about Pakistan media :rolleyes: . That was in reference to Media, not the Pakistan Army.

Which still begs the question, why are you ignoring actual evidence that shows Americans are NOT targeting civilians…

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where is the EVIDENCE????

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Exactly...

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Ah so the military general is an okay source of information as long as he is not quoted by Pakistani media. Got it. The validity of the statement does not matter to you. Who posts it does.

If you are Sherlock your watson must suffer from down's syndrome.

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my question was to you sir..

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What are you in Afghanistan for, comic relief?

Its very simple. Do YOU have evidence to support the belief that American drones are intentionally targeting civilians?

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No amount of evidence would be enough for you. You are convinced they target civilians, and you have no proof. But you believe it. Thats an extraordinary claim, which doesnt stand up t logic. But logic isnt your strong point.

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you said you presented teh evidence...i am just asking you to point me towards it....so that i can have a look at that evidence..

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LMAO! Nomi that was brilliant. I bow to you. That was brilliant.

I run the local 7/11 at one of the bases. You know us desis. That is all we do. Want a slurppie?

Lets first get sources down. Considering you change your mind more often than a desi bride. List your "authentic" and "acceptable" sources. Then we talk.

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Doubtful, someone of your intellectual capacity could never be trusted with handling cash... Even Afghan monopoly money...

But put you slurpie where your mouth is. Give as actual evidence of Americans INTENTIONALLY targeting civilians. Seriously man, anything...

LOL... Im sure you would bow to "Nomi" wouldnt you...

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We only work in dollars. Now your sources. What is credible?

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I hate to break it to you beta, but that's play money. The Americans aren't going to trust actual money to someone who cant count past the point off running out of fingers.

What is credible? To you nothing, other then what you heard, or what is spouted from your own lips. Im not the one making extraordinary claims here, its you. Put up or shut up.

Let me spare you of actually having to use the few brain cells you havent killed, and inform you that u really have no evidence. Your opinion is not informed by actual logic, but by your own lame prejudices...

And that again, is neither sane nor Muslim.

Now go back to your slushy machine.