Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

ehtasab · January 20, 2009, 4:24am

yes, lets discard everything else from UN

aam_bandha · January 20, 2009, 4:47am

The UN has washed its hands long time back ...... it is no longer talked about in UNSC ..... the last time India - Pakistan question was discussed in UN ... though there was no consensus- one of the thoughts was that India and Pakistan should settle this issue on their own. And since no consensus was reached .... the question was left as it is ... not to be spoken again ..... that was 1964 !!!!!!

It is time to move on ...... for both the countries .... thinking of doing a Bangladesh to India in Kashmir is not going to work. It has failed miserably in last 20 odd years and frankly will fail in future also. So the only way out is to talk and settle the dispute !!!!!!!

Punjabee_in_USA · January 20, 2009, 3:12pm

Pakistan never honored its part of the deal that was necessary for the UN resolution to be effective. One can keep arguing about technicalities, but 60 years later that resolution is defunct.

Instead of meddling in Kashmir, Pakistan should worry about how to stop itself from disintegrating.

CM · January 20, 2009, 3:41pm

Re: Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

LMAO! The same FM wasn't inexperienced when he supported the bull**** story India came up with regarding evidence now was he?

CM · January 20, 2009, 3:42pm

Re: Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

Prove Pakistan has not held up its part of the UNSC. Please point out which part Pakistan has not implemented regarding the UNSC resolutions.

aam_bandha · January 20, 2009, 4:17pm

Vacating the territories occupied in kashmir ... completely .....

(l) As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State

(3) Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission

And as the truce agreement points out the territory vacated by Pakistan was to be administered by local authorities .... so Pakistan had to vacate Kashmir COMPLETELY ..... no if's and but's ..... you know the link to his so need to show a link.

aam_bandha · January 20, 2009, 4:19pm

Now you still seem to be in a state of denial ... so you still feel the attackers did not come from Pakistan !!!!! If not then what is Pakistani government investagating ....

burqaposhx · January 20, 2009, 4:20pm

We should be fully honest about our mistakes in Kashmir if we ever want to win at least morally.

Pakistan did mess up Kashmir and it did that big time.

In those dark early days of 1947-1948 we miserably failed to protect life and property of non-Muslim Kashmiris.
Later when AJK came into being and the matter got referred to UN, we made several fatal mistakes that put Kashmir into the limbo we are in today. A. We failed to withdraw army and guerillas (fearing that India may retake the lost parts) B. We brought AJK under an Islamabad ministry (just like Indians) C. We setup a subservient, toothless and powerless assembly in AJK (just like Indians)

There are other military and political factors too. But this is the minimum set just to show why we the Pakistanis lost the high moral ground on Kashmir issue.

Punjabee_in_USA · January 20, 2009, 4:22pm

burqaposhx:

We should be fully honest about our mistakes in Kashmir if we ever want to win at least morally.

Pakistan did mess up Kashmir and it did that big time.

In those dark early days of 1947-1948 we miserably failed to protect life and property of non-Muslim Kashmiris.

Later when AJK came into being and the matter got referred to UN, we made several fatal mistakes that put Kashmir into the limbo we are in today. A. We failed to withdraw army and guerillas (fearing that India may retake the lost parts) B. We brought AJK under an Islamabad ministry (just like Indians) C. We setup a subservient, toothless and powerless assembly in AJK (just like Indians)

There are other military and political factors too. But this is the minimum set just to show why we the Pakistanis lost the high moral ground on Kashmir issue.

That is why I believe that the ONLY SUSTAINABLE SOLUTION is to accept status quo and move forward from here.

Looking back at what could and should have been is counterproductive and we have already lost 60 years and countless innocent lives because of that.

aam_bandha · January 20, 2009, 4:26pm

There is no Kashmir specific ministry in India .... It is just a regular state within the Indian union ... with some special privelages !!!

burqaposhx · January 20, 2009, 5:08pm

Yes there are many Pakistanis who want to move on and accept the LOC.

The reason is obvious. Simmering disputes hurt both countries and their development / prosperity.

Few things (there could be more) hinder the application of "live and let live" approach.

A just solution that is acceptable to Kashmiris (and not just Indians and Pakistanis) on both sides of LOC.
India should stop messing up with the river heads located in the Jammu Kashmir.

I hope you and other Indian-Punjabees have some love left for Muslim Kashmiris and Muslim Punjabees. Even though they are different people, but centuries of interaction between Punjab and Kashmir has linked them much more strongly compared to other "state-to-state" bonds in the Indian subcontinent.

That means Indian Punjabees must treat Kashmir issue as a "human" issue and not just "property" issue.

With the right sense of Kashmiris' vision, one can perhaps solve this problem. And we all hope that day comes sooner than 2069.

Data · January 20, 2009, 5:14pm

Maybe because we respect their autonomy and need not enforce things upon them.

Punjabee_in_USA · January 20, 2009, 5:28pm

And thats why despite calling them "Azad", you control them from Islamabad ??

So much for "Azadi" !!

burqaposhx · January 20, 2009, 5:39pm

with due respect,

That's not the true reason.

Both Pakistan and India messed up the Kashmir issue. There was no "respect" shown to Kashmiris by either party.

Data · January 20, 2009, 5:50pm

So why isnt there a rebellion in Azad Kashmir, like there is one in Indian occupied Kashmir? Just learn to admit it, the ones you are occupying arent happy with you, simple as that.

Data · January 20, 2009, 5:51pm

Again thats brown sahib mentality with all due respect ofcourse, Pakistan has not MESSED up the Kashmir issue, infact had Pakistan not taken any action in 1948 they'd control all of it, and we'd be left with a dry infertile chunk of a country.

Punjabee_in_USA · January 20, 2009, 6:04pm

Indian Kashmir is more "Azad" than so called "Azad" Kashmir, and thats why there is freedom for a separatist movement. As for armed terrorism, that is Pakistan sponsored. "Azad" Kashmir on the other hand is actually "Ghulam" Kashmir !!

The way you think Kashmiris are not happy with India, I think Baluchistan is not happy with Pakistan. Why dont you let them separate ?

Data · January 20, 2009, 6:09pm

Re: Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

^ You are making a very weak point. Baluchistan belongs to Pakistan and acceded to it. A few sardars might not be happy. Kashmir on the other hand is not happy with India, nor does it belong to India.

As for Azad Kashmir being less azaad than Indian occupied Kashmir, this isnt the jokes forum buddy nor is this baharat-rakshak.

burqaposhx · January 20, 2009, 6:15pm

Well that's your opinion and it should be respected no matter how incorrect it is.

You are correct that Pakistan did support the uprising of Kashmiris and later sent in guerillas.

However Pak-controlled Kashmir does not control much of the water sources compared to Indian controlled Kashmir.

Data · January 20, 2009, 6:16pm

Re: Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

^ burqa, thats why it'd be nice to have the entire state under our control