Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

[faisal_as_salafi]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

excuse me mr sultan but i used sayings of classical scholars such as abu haneefah etc.. are they khawaarij??

[faisal_as_salafi]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

btw As for the narrations from Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee in which he categorises bid'ah into two, then it is weak as all of it's chains of narrations depend upon unknown narrators. [al-Bid'ah of Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee, al-Masaabeeh fee Salaatit Taraaweeh of as-Suyutee with Alee Hasans footnotes]. Not only this but in his risalah he rejects the concept of istihsaan because 'the person doing so has legislated in the sharee'ah' i.e. without permission from Allaah.

[Ya_Sultan_e_Madina]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

Mr. Salafi,

Who the heck is "Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee???" Where did he study from? Does he have any ijazah from a succession of 'Ulema to teach in the science of hadith? That is the problem sir, you are relying upon the sayings of so called scholars who do not believe in following a particular madhab, and also carry heretical beliefs about Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala, such as saying that Allah Jalla Jalalu literally has two right hands? nauzubillah!

Such scholars as the one you have mentioned, say that Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala TROTS, and moves from one place to another??? These are the beliefs of their ancestors, the Khawarij and the Mutazilites and Jismaniyya (those who ascribe a body or form to Allah Subhanahu wa ta 'ala), yet these same people turn around and accuse others of committing shirk just because Muslims choose to praise Rasul-Allah (saws), the one who if not for him, you and I would not know Qur'an or Hadith to read from, the one whom Allah Subhanahu wa ta 'ala calls Rahmatulil Aalameen (A Mercy to the Worlds) in the Qur'an - the one whom Allah (SWT) calls Rauf, and Rahim! Subhan'Allah.

Let me give you some examples of the shirk of the scholars whom you have quoted, who are either Madina University graduates, or are taught by a graduate of Madina University:

The Wahabi Corporalism and the ‘Trotting of God’
Al Albani's Al Fetawi, page 506:

Q. Do you prove attribute of trotting to Allah, the Exalted?

A. Like coming and descending, trotting is an attribute that we lack a base for denying.

Bin Baz's Al Fetawi, part 5 page 374:

In a qudsi hadith ­Sayings of the Lord in other than the divine Books­, God says, "I advance him an arm that whomever advances me a span. I advance him a fathom that whomever advances me an arm. I come trotting for that whomever comes to me walking." Interpreting such hadiths and evading resting upon the extrinsic meanings of their aspects, are means of the heretic Jahmites and Mutazilites.

Wahabis and The ‘Leg’ of God
Al Fetawi, part 4 and 5 page 130 and 71:

Through explaining God's saying, (On that day, [a leg shall be revealed] and they shall be called upon to make obeisance, but they shall not be able. 68:42), the Prophet (peace be upon him) asserted that when the Lord shall come on Resurrection Day, He will show his leg to His believing servants. This is the sign between Him and them. Hence, as soon as they see His leg, they will recognize and follow him. This is one of Allah's unparalleled attributes fitting His glory and magnificence. The same is said about the other divine attributes proved by texts; such as hands, foot, eye and the like. The other attributes; such as ire, affection, abhorrence and the like, are involved in elevation and fitting Allah, the Glorified the Exalted, provided that they are indicated through the Glorious Book of Allah and the Prophet's traditions. Interpretation and evading resting upon the extrinsic meanings of aspects of such texts, is the sect of the heretic Jahmites and Mutazilites and their fellows. It is a defective sect denied and discharged by Sunnis who warned against people of such heretic factions.

Bin Baz's Al Fetawi, part 5 page 371:

**Q. **What is the genuine exegesis of God's saying, (On that day, [a leg shall be revealed] and they shall be called upon to make obeisance, but they shall not be able.)?

A. The Prophet (peace be upon him) explained that the Verse alludes to the coming of the Lord on Resurrection Day, when He shows His leg to His believing servant so that they shall recognize and follow him

Al Albani's Al Fetawi, page 344:

**Q. **What is Ahlus Sunna's attitude from attribute of the ear ascribed to Allah?

A. They do neither prove nor deny. They prove only what is asserted by texts, without adaptation. Followers of the worthy ancestors are freed from such an adaptation. This means they are freed from anthropomorphism since they opted for promoting God against unfitting descriptions. Eye is one of His attributes that is fitting His magnificence and glory.

Please, you take a good look at those lies above. The Aqeedah of the Wahhabi and Salafi scholars is so messed up, it doesn't matter if you know Islamic law inside out, if the beliefs of the greatest so called 'Ulema of the Salafi and Wahhabi sects believe in such lies against Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala....then all their efforts to teach fiqh and shari'ah are all corrupted and whoever they teach, those people will get corrupted.

Allah Jalla Jalalu is free of all comparison to His (SWT) creation. He is not needy of His (SWT) creation, we are needy of Him Jalla Jalalu! He is not in a particular place, and He is not a big man who sits on his Kursi in Jannah, NAUZUBILLAH!

Now....As per your deceptive tactics, of using Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) as a cover for yourself...do you even believe in following one of the jurists of Sunni Islam? Or do you think that you don't need to follow one school of jurisprudence among hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, Shaf'ie?

My second question to you is, why are you telling "smooth_guy" that prophet (saws) performed tarawih during his life too, why don't you clarify the subject at hand and inform the brother that prophet (saws) performed tarawih first of all, not in congregation but rather at home, and secondly, that he (saws) did not pray 20 rakat? Why don't you make these things clear, that it was Khalif ar-Rashid Umar al-Faruq (ra) who introduced this concept? Also, why don't you mention how during the prophet's (saws) lifetime, the Maqam al-Ibrahim (Station of Prophet Ibrahim's (as) footprint), used to be attached to the Ka'aba, but during the Khilafat of Umar al-Faruq (ra), he moved it back many feet, and thus changing the rituals of Hajj? So then this is also a bid'ah is it not?

Since you believe in Bukhari and Muslim so much, yet you don't even know that both of them are also full of weak hadiths as well, and htat is because weak hadith's are not rejected in the science of studying the transmission of hadith. First and foremost, these are BASIC classifications of the ahadith, which are:

Sahih - Sound
Hasan - Good
Dai'f - Weak
Maudu' - Forged or Fabricated

And these rest upon the nature of the reporters of the ISNAD

Keep in mind that Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih al-Muslim, actually contain numerous ahadith which are marked as far as being Da'if (weak), yet they were included and accepted by both Imam Muslim and Imam Bukhari into their most famous books of hadith which you are so trusting on now. Let me also remind you and all those who have been paying attention to this discussion, that a hadith can be determined weak for MANY DIFFERENT REASONS. And one of them, is that one of the narrators in the chain, is not well known in other words that he is not a popular narrator, but all the other narrators in the chain are KNOWN and are POPULAR. In the case of the sayings of Imam Ash-Shafi'e (ra), this is what is the case here. So please do not try to impose your narrow mindedness upon the public by declaring the sayings of Imam ash-Shafi'e and Imam Nawawi for that matter, as being unaccepted because it is somehow da'if.

Ibn Hazm has similarly mentioned that all Hanafi scholars unanimously agree that the school of Abu Hanifah (ra) holds that weak hadith is preferable to opinion (ra'y) and analogy (qiyâs). Ahmad was asked about someone finding himself in a country with, on the one hand, a memorizer of hadith (sâhib hadîth) who does not know the sound from the unsound, and, on the other, an authority in opinion (sâhib ra'y): who should he consult? He replied: "Let him consult the memorizer of hadith sâhib hadîth and not the authority in opinion (sâhib ra'y)."

[Ya_Sultan_e_Madina]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

**"IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MERCIFUL, THE COMPASSIONATE"

THE PERMISSIBILITY OF CELEBRATING THE MEELAD-UN NABI
(SALLAL LAAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM)

IN REFUTATION OF THE FATWA OF

SHEIKH ABDUL AZIZ BIN BAAZ OF SAUDI ARABIA

The Sunni Muslim community should be fully aware and forewarned of the new fitna presently perpetrated by the Jamiatul Ulama (KwaZulu Natal) and the Jamiatul Ulama (Transvaal) on the Internet regarding the issue of an old Fatwa against Eid-e-Meelad-un Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) by "Sheikh" Abdul Aziz bin Baaz of Saudi Arabia. The Fatawa of such like must be met with the fiercest of opposition and open condemnation from all circles.
This Fatwa was obviously instituted on the Internet, which is accessed by thousands of computer users, by these "theological" bodies as a flagrant attack on the Imaan and Aqeeda of Sunni Muslims or the righteous followers of the Ahle Sunnah Wa Jamaah, of whose beliefs and teachings the majority of Muslims the world over ascribe to.
Muslims must also take cognizance of the fact that among his other Fatawa, Bin Baaz of the Saudi Government is also on record for having issued a Fatwa declaring as un-Islamic the Palestinian people's uprising against the Jewish State of Israel, but at the same time not fulfilling his duty in his own country in issuing Fatawa against the evil practices of the Saudi Royal Family, such as gambling, horseracing, etc. Should this not be his first duty as the Head of Department of Islamic Researches Ifta and Propagation?
According to a great Muhaddith, Shams ad-Din Muhammad as-Sahawi (d.902 A.H.), the assembling for Meelad in Muslim history began in the 3rd Century A.H., but Ibn Taymiya (d.728 A.H.), almost five centuries later, was the first to begin argumentation and contention against this practice.
In conformity with Ibn Taymiya's beliefs and views which are incompatible with the beliefs of Islam, Bin Baaz, until a few years ago, publicised his condemnation of Meelad-un Nabi by publishing a Fatwa. This Fatwa was met with strong disapproval and displeasure in the Muslim world which regards the celebration of Meelad-un Nabi as a beneficial and desirous act.
In opposition and reply to Sheikh Bin Baaz' Fatwa, the distinguished Arab Scholar, Sheikh Sayyid Alawi Maliki, who is an Ustaz of Hadith in the Haram Shareef in Makkah, produced a clear, decisive and well-supported argument in Arabic on the permissibility of Meelad-un Nabi. Sheikh Sayyid Alawi, in his book "Holal Ihtefaal Bezikra-al Moulidin Nabawee al-Shareef" raised some very serious questions to Bin Baaz. He questioned Bin Baaz about his views on the innovations which are being practised "here" (in the Haram Shareef) and which were never practised before, neither in the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) time, nor in the period of the Sahaba-Ikraam or of the Salf-e-Saleheen (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in). The practices, which Sheikh Alawi mentioned were those such as:
1. THE FORMING OF A CONGREGATION TO PERFORM TAHAJJUD SALAAH BEHIND AN IMAAM.
2. THE RECITATION OF DU'A AFTER THE QURAN HAS BEEN COMPLETED AT THE END OF RAMADAAN IN TARAWEEH PRAYER.
3. THE GATHERING OF PEOPLE ON THE 27TH OF RAMADAAN AT TAHAJJUD WHERE THE IMAAM DELIVERS A SERMON.
4. THE CALL OF THE MUEZZIN BY SAYING "SALAATUL QIYAAM ATHABAKUMULLAH."
Muslims, however, must realise that the Ulema have accepted such practices as Bid'ah, but Bid'ah-e-Hasanah.
Also in opposition to Sheikh Bin Baaz' Fatwa, Sheikh Sayed Hashim al-Rifa'ie of Kuwait produced a lengthy Fatwa on the permissibility of Meelad-un Nabi celebrations which triggered off a tremendous increase in Meelad-un Nabi celebrations amongst the Arab populations of the cities of Makkah, Madinah, Jeddah, Ta'if, etc. and in the Gulf States.
An academic scholar, Sheikh Dr. Muhammad Abduhu Yamani, the Director of Darul Qibla Institute in Jeddah, who was also the ex-Minister of Information till 1983, and a renowned author in both the Arabic and English languages, recently on the occasion of Meelad-un Nabi celebration had written a detailed essay entitled "Assalatu Wassalaamu Alaika Ya Rasoollallah," which was published in the daily newspaper "Ash Sharqul Ausat." This article was published on the 12th of Rabbi-ul-Awwal in 1987, page 12 of this popular newspaper.
His very constructive essay, full of proofs, was well received by the Arabs, and Alhamdulillah, today there is a massive silent movement, known as "Irji'oo Ila Rasoolillah" or "Return to Rasoolullah", in progress. This is a clear reflection and indication that the Arab Muslims have become fully aware of the evils of the Wahabi beliefs and have now turned to reinstating the love of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) as the foundation stone of their Imaan.
At the present moment, the Saudi capital in Riyadh has published a 300 page book titled "Al Deobandiyah" written by Sheik Tuwaijeeri which exposes, with proof, the corrupt beliefs of the Ulema of Deoband and how they deviated from Islam on the basis of Aqaa'id. In the light of this new fact, perhaps these "theological bodies," in re-issuing Bin Baaz'old Fatwa, with additions in the English language, are planning to welcome Bin Baaz to South Africa in order to establish some influence which could be used to eliminate the present sanctions applied to the Tabligh Jamaat activities in Saudi Arabia. However, this may not be possible, as everyone in the Arab world today is becoming aware of the deceit of the Tabligh Jamaat movement.
The issue regarding Meelad-un Nabi had always attracted disagreement from some quarters of the Ulema fraternity. Almost 600 years ago Imam Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti (b.911 A.H.) had written a treatise on Meelad-un Nabi called "Hasnul Maqsid Fi Amalil Maulid" in which he stated that such a celebration is certainly permissible and Mustahab. In fact, so much has been written on this subject in various languages that there are abundant books to complete a library. Inspite of this, a specific group have always opposed this celebration and had no further proof to offer in support of their argument, other than saying that it is a Bid'ah.
For centuries, the Ulema-e-Deen have been produced the Shar'i definition of Bid'ah as an innovation which can be good or bad (Sai'yah or Hasanah). Meelad-un Nabi has been identified as Bid'ah Hasanah, in the same manner as the application of I'raab (Use of zabbar, zehr, pesh, etc.) in the Holy Quran, and the performance of Taraweeh Salaah; in the same manner as the construction of places of learning, e.g. Darul Ulooms, etc. for dissemination of education; in the same manner as Dastaar Bandi which is held on completion of Islamic courses; and the graduation ceremonies which are held on completion of Bukhari Shareef, etc. in Darul Ulooms. This actions were never practised before, neither in the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) time, nor in the period of the Sahaba-Ikraam or of the Salf-e-Saleheen.
If one has to take the literal meaning of the word "Bid'ah" and abandon or discard the Shar'i meaning, then the Ij'tima for Tableegi purposes will be Bid'ah; the making of Ghusht will be Bid'ah; engaging in Chilla would be Bid'ah; publication of books would be Bid'ah, etc. - all of which would be classed as detestable in the extreme. However, such application of the literal meaning of "Bid'ah" cannot be found the entire period of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), neither can it be found in the period of the Sahabah, nor in the period of Taba'i (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).
We wish to close this article by quoting to you a few authentic books from the thousands available written in earlier centuries by very renowned Ulama and Muhadditheen of that period on the permissibility of the celebrations of Meelad-un Nabi. These books are:
1. Al Mouridil Raweefil Maulideena Nabawee by Imam Mulla Ali Qari
2. At-Ta'rif bi 'l-Mawlidi 'sh-Sharif by Ibn Asir Muhammad al-Jazri (d.833 A.H.)
3. Jameeul Aasaar fee Maulidin Nabeeul Muqhthar by Imam Hafiz bin Nasirudeen Damishqi
4. Al Fazlur Raaiq fee Mauludi Khairul Khalaaik by Imam Hafiz bin Nasirudeen Damishqi
5. Maurid Al Saadi fi Maulidil Haadi by Imam Hafiz bin Nasirudeen Damishqi
6. Al Mouludil Hanni fil Mauludis Sanni by Imam Hafiz Iraqi (b.720 - d.808 A.H.)
7. An Ne'matul Kubra by Imam Ibne Hajjar
8. Hasanul Maqsid by Imam Hafiz Jalal ad-Din Suyuti
9. Meelad-ul Mustapha by Imam Ibne Kathir
10. Bayanu Meeladin Nabi by Imam Ibn Jawzi
11. Jami al-Asar fi Mawlidi 'l-Muhtar by ibn Nasir ad-din ad-Dimishki
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE MERCIFUL, THE COMPASSIONATE
All praise is due to Allah who has guided us to follow the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), the leader of the Messengers; who has granted us the capacity to remain steadfast on the pillars and essential principles of Deen Al-Islam; who has made it easy for us to follow the footsteps and way of our pious predecessors, to the extent that our hearts have been illuminated with the knowledge of the Shari'ah and the conclusive argument in favour of the evident truth; and who has kept our internal souls free from the contamination of falsehood.
We praise and thank Him for having blessed us with the light of certainty, and for having granted us strength and courage to continuously hold fast to His strong rope. These favours are all out of His Bounty and Grace. We testify that there is no deity besides Almighty Allah, who is alone, and has no partner or associates, and that, without doubt, our Beloved Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the Servant and Messenger of Allah, the Leader of those who are first and those who are last. May Allah send His Salaams and Blessings upon him (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), his Household and Progeny, his Companions and those who follow their path until the Day of Judgement (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).
Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala says in the Holy Qur'an: "O ye who believe! Fear Allah, and (always) say a word directed to the Right".
Allah's Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever believes in Allah and the Hereafter should either say what is good, or otherwise remain silent".
It is every Muslim's duty to show people the truth in anticipation that they would follow it clearly and evidently and certainly not blindly. For truth is as clear as the sun in broad daylight. This brief introduction is due to what we have been hearing recently, as far as the celebration of the birthday of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is concerned. Falsehood is regretabally attributed to such a noble event and mischief is stated as to the illegitimacy of celebrating such an esteemed occasion. Thus leaving ordinary people in a state of confusion not knowing whether they should partake in celebrating the event or otherwise. This is so, since the people who raise objection to the Meelad feel that they are at liberty to fabricate events in Islamic history and the traditions of our Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
Therefore, we felt that it is incumbent upon us, and upon those who possess knowledge of Shari'ah, to clearly explain to the Muslim masses the truth about Meelad.
PART ONE
IGNORANCE AND LITTLE KNOWLEDGE
The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whoever brings forth an innovation into our religion which is not part of it, it is rejected".
The Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) also said: "Beware of inventive matters for every invention is an innovation and every innovation is evil".
Those who quote these two Ahadith claim that the word "Kul" which means "EVERY" or "ALL" which is mentioned in the above two Ahadith is used to include everything, i.e. all kinds of innovations or "Bid'ah" without any exception. They conclude therefore, that all innovations are "EVIL".
By stating such an ill-fated statement, they have in fact accused the scholars (ULAMA) of the Muslim World of committing "EVIL" innovations, particularly Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu). However, they quickly respond and say: No, we did not mean the Companions (SAHABA IKRAAM). In reply to that we say, yes, indeed you did so, because you said "EVERY" or "ALL" innovations are "EVIL".
And you have rejected what the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) himself approved, i.e."Tarawih Prayers".
We will now quote before you many actions which were not carried out during the life of Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) but were in fact done following his demise by his Companions (ridwanullahi ta'ala ajma'in).
1. THE ISSUE OF COMPILING THE QUR'AN IN ONE BOOK
Hadrat Zaid bin Thabit (radi Allahu anhu) said: Prophet Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) had passed away and the Qur'an has not been compiled into one book! In fact, it was Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) who told Hadrat Abu-Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) to collect the Qur'an. Hadrat Abu-Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) was hesitant at first and he actually said, "How could we do something which the Prophet himself never did". Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) replied, "BUT BY ALLAH IT IS A GOOD THING". Hadrat Zaid (radi Allahu anhu) then said Hadrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) kept coming back and forth until Hadrat Abu-Bakr (radi Allahu anhu) sent after him and assigned him the task of compiling the Qur'an. (Bukhari Shareef)
2. PROPHET IBRAHIM'S STATION (FOOTPRINT).
Imam Baihaqi said that Bibi Ayesha (radi Allahu anha), a wife of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said that Prophet Ibrahim's Station (Footprint) was attached to "KAABA" during the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and Abu-Bakr's (radi Allahu anhu) time. It was not until the time of Hazrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) who changed its original position. Ibn Hajar, the great Muhaddith said: None of the companions raised any objection against Hazrat Umar (radi Allahu anhu) for doing so and he was the first person to cover Prophet Ibrahim's Station (Footprint) in the state it is now.
3. THE INTRODUCTION OF THE SECOND AZAAN DURING FRIDAY PRAYER
Imam Baihaqi narrated that Sayyiduna Al-Saa'eb bin Zaid (radi Allahu anhu) said: The first call (AZAAN) for Friday Prayer commenced when the Imam sat on the Pulpit (MIMBAR). This was the practice during the Prophet's, (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) Hazrat Abu-Bakr's and Hazrat Umar's time. But when Hazrat Uthman (radi Allahu anhuma) came, he introduced the second Azaan.
4. SENDING PRAISE AND SALAAMS UPON THE PROPHET (SALLAL LAAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM)
This was first introduced by Hazrat Ali (radi Allahu anhu) and he used to teach it to people of his time. Ibn Jabir mentioned that in his book called "Tah'theeb Al-Aa'thar" so did Imam Tabari, Ibi Assem and Yaqoub bin Shaibah.
5. THE ADDITION MADE BY IBN MASOUD TO TASHA'HUD
Imam Tabari said that Ibn Masoud use to read after saying "As Salaam Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuhu", "As Salaam Alaina Min Rabenna" (Peace be upon us from our Lord).
6. THE INTRODUCTION OF READING "BISMILLAH AL-RAHMAN AL-RAHIM" BEFORE COMMENCING TASHA'HUD.
Bukhari and Muslim both narrated that Ibn Umar use to read "Bimillah Al-Rahman Al-Rahim" before Tasha'hud.
All the above Companions have in fact introduced innovations which they have deemed beneficial and which were not practised during the life of the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Hence, that these innovations where brought about in acts of worship! What then would you say about these renowned Companions? Are they going to be classified among those who practise "EVIL" innovations!
As for their (Bin Baaz, etc.) other statement which is even worse that the first one, where it is alleged by them that in the religion of Islam there is no such thing as "Good Innovation" or "BID'AH". Let us quote the opinion of the most renowned scholars of Islam regarding this issue.
1. Imam Al-Hafiz Al-Nawawi said in Vol.6, p.21 in his "Commentary on Sahih Al-Bukhari": What the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) meant when he said "EVERY" or "ALL" innovations, is that it is general but restricted, i.e. that most innovations are "EVIL" but not "ALL". In "Tahdhib Al-Asma wal Lugat" Bid'ah is explained as follows:
"Bid'ah in Shari'ah is the invention of that which was not there in the period of the Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), and it is divided into two categories HASANAH (or good) and QABIHAH (or evil)".
2. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani who explained Sahih Al-Bukhari said: "Every action which was not in practice at the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) time is called or known as Innovation, however, there are those which are classified as 'Good' and there are those which are contrary to that".
3. Imam Abu-Na'im said that he heard Imam Ibrahim Al-Junaid say that he heard Imam Shafi'i (radi Allahu anhuma) say: "The new things that are brought about are two kinds. One kind is that which brought about, inconsistent with something in the Qur'an or the Sunnah or with some Athaar or I'jma. This the category of BID'AH DALALAH (heretic innovation). The second kind is that which is brought about from good things which are consistent with any of the above".
4. Imam of Imams Izzuddin Ibn Abd al-Salaam writes in his book "Al-Qawa'aid": "Bid'ah is divided into Wajib, Haram, Mandub, Makruh and Mabah. And the way to know which category it belongs to, is to examine it together with the laws of Shari'ah. If it falls in with the laws that deal with what is Wajib, then it is Wajib. If with those laws that deal with Haram, then it is Haram. If with the laws dealing with what is Mandub, then it is Mandub. If with the laws dealing with what is Makruh, then it is Makruh. If with the laws dealing with what is Mubah, then it is Mubah".
Following the examination of the statements of these highly renowned scholars of Islam, we ask: How is it then that what is alleged that the word "Kul" or "EVERY" includes all kinds of innovations or "Bid'ah" regardless? And where in the religion of Islam is it stated that there is no "Good Bid'ah" or "good innovation". Hence, the Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has said: "Whoever introduces a good innovation into the religion of Islam, will be granted due reward for it and the reward of those who acts upon it without any reduction in their deeds".
From this hadith we find that every Muslim is entitled to introduce a "good Bid'ah or innovation" as long as it conforms with the test mentioned earlier, even though the Messenger of Allah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not do it, preach it or practice, in order that he/she could increase the deeds of goodness and rewards.
PART TWO
THE BEGINNING OF THE CELEBRATION OF MEELAD SHAREEF
As we all know as matter of fact, that when ever people want to promote and advance their ways, they pave the way to spread their falsehood among the Muslims masses and those who have very limited knowledge by misquoting what the Imams of Islam have stated or written. It is alleged by those people who disagree with Meelad that Imam Ibn Kathir stated in his book "Al-Bi'dayah Wa Ni'hayah" in Vol.11, p. 172 the following: "It was the Fatimy Government which ruled Egypt from 357-567 who was responsible for the celebration of Meelad".
We say in reply to the above that after having consulted the above reference we found that it was a sheer lie, for we read that page and we found that the above is but allegations, deceit and dishonesty when quoting the renowned scholars of Islam. However, if they insist on the above, we demand that they produce it before us if there is any truth in what they allege!
Allow me now to quote before you what Imam Ibn Kathir has actually said in the same book "Al-Bi'dayah" Vol.13, p. 136: "Sultan Muzaffar used to arrange the celebration of the Meelad Shareef with honour, glory, dignity and grandeur. In this connection he used to organise a magnificent festival". Then he said in praise of that man: "He was a pure-hearted, brave and wise Aalim (Scholar) and a just ruler, may Allah shower His Mercy upon him and grant him an exalted status."
Shaikh Abu-Khattab Ibn Dihyah also wrote a book for him on the Meelad Shareef entitled "Enlightenment on the Birthday of the Bearer of Good News, the Warner". For this book Sultan Muzaffar awarded him a gift of one thousand Dinars. He then said: "Every year his expenditure on the Meelad Shareef amounted to three hundred thousand Dinars".
Examine carefully, dear brother/sister, such praise which has been conferred by Ibn Kathir upon that man, where he described him as "a wise Aalim, brave and pure-hearted" and then concluded by saying "may Allah shower his Mercy upon him and grant him an exalted status". He did not say he was a corrupt or evil, he did not say he was committing "Bid'ah" or deeds which leads a person to be doomed, as it is alleged by those who reject the celebration of Meelad Shareef.
I refer you to that very reference which has been quoted to read further for yourselves what Imam Ibn Kathir has added in praise of this Sultan.
I would strongly recommend as well that you consult what Imam Zahabi in his book "Biography of the Elites", Vol. 22, p. 336 has said in description of this Sultan: "Sultan Al-Muzaffar was humble, generous, follower of the Prophet's (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) way and he liked the scholars and narrators of Hadith".
POINT TWO
VIEWPOINT OF THE IMAMS OF THE MUSLIM UMMAH ON THE
CELEBRATION OF MEELAD SHAREEF
1. Imam Al-Hafiz Al-Suyuti in his famous book "Al-Hawii Lil-Fatawii" allocated a special chapter on that topic and named it "The Excellence of Objective in Celebrating the Mawlid" where he said: The question under consideration is what the verdict of the Shari'ah on celebrating the Holy Birthday of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) during the month of Rabbi-ul-Awwal. From the point of view of Shari'ah is this a praiseworthy action or a blameworthy one? And do those who arrange such celebration receive blessings or not?
He said: "The reply to this question is that in my view the Meelad Shareef (Celebration of the Birthday of the Noble Prophet sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is in fact such an occasion of happiness on which people assemble and recite the Holy Qu'ran to the extent that is easy. Then they relate the prophecies concerning the appearance of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) that have been transmitted in Ahadith and Athar, and the miraculous events and signs that took place on his birth. Then food is set before them and according to their desire they partake thereof to satisfaction. This festival of celebrating the birthday of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is a Bid'ah Hasanah (good innovation) and those arranging it will get blessing, since in such a celebration is found the expression of joy and happiness at the greatness and eminence of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and his birth".
2. Even Ibn Tay'miah said in his book "Necessity of the Right Path", p. 266, 5th line from the bottom of that page, published by Dar Al-Hadith, the following: "As far as what people do during the Meelad, either as a rival celebration to that which the Christian do during the time of Christ's birthday or as an expression of their love and admiration and a sign of praise for the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), Allah will surely reward them for such Ij'tiha". He then said: "Although Meelad was not practised by (Salaf), they should have done so since there was no objection against it from the Shari'ah point of view".
And we certainly only celebrate Meelad out of love and admiration to the Prophet of all Mankind.
3. Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar was asked, same reference of Imam Suyuti, about Meelad Shareef. His reply was: "Meelad Shareef is, in fact, and innovation, which was not transmitted from any pious predecessor in the first three centuries. Nevertheless, both acts of virtue as well as acts of abomination are found in it (i.e. sometimes acts of virtue are found therein and sometimes acts of abomination). If in the Meelad Shareef only acts of virtue are done and acts of abomination are abstained from, then the Meelad Shareef is a Bid'ah Hasanah (good innovation), otherwise not." He then added "... to do any virtuous act and to observe it annually as means of recollection for any special day on which Allah Ta'ala has bestowed any favour or removed any calamity is a form of showing gratitude to Allah. Gratitude to Allah Ta'ala is expressed through different kinds of Ibaadah (worship) -prostration and standing in prayer, charity and recitation of the Holy Qu'ran. And what is a greater favour from Allah can there be than the appearance of the Prophet of Mercy (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) on this day (i.e. 12th of Rabbi-ul-Awwal)?"
Some people do not limit it and celebrate the Meelad Shareef on any day of Rabbi-ul-Awwal. Nay, some people have extended it even more and increased the period to the whole year. According to the latter, the Meelad Shareef can be celebrated on any day of the year. The objective here is the same, i.e. to rejoice at and celebrate the Holy Birth of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
4. Imam Abu-Bakr Abdullah Al-Demashqi compiled a number of books on the subject and called them "Collection of Traditions on the Birth of the Chosen Prophet", "The Pure Expression on the Birthday of the Best of Creations" and "The Spring for the Thirsty One on the Birth of the Rightly Guided".
5. Imam Al-Hafiz Al-Iraqi wrote a book and called it "The Pure Spring on the Sublime Birth".
6. Imam Ibn Dahyah wrote a book and called it "Enlightenment on the Birthday of the Bearer of Good News, The Warner".
7. Imam Mulla Ali Qari wrote a book and called it "The Quenching Spring on the Birthday of the Prophet".
8. Imam Shams Ul-Din bin Naser Al-Dumashqi, said in his book "The Spring for the Thirsty One on the Birth of the Rightly Guided" about the story of Abu Lahab that he will receive a light punishment every Monday for expressing joy at the birth of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) on that day. The Imam said the following verse of poetry, the translation of the above is:
If such Kafir was denounced in the (Qur'an)
And perished are his hands, and in the Flames is his eternal abode
It is narrated that every Monday
His torment is made easy for his Joy at the Birth of Ahmad
What is the expectation then of a servant who spent all his life
Happy with the Arrival of Ahmad and died on the Oneness of Allah.
9. Imam Shams Ul-Din Ibn aL-Jazri, the Imam of Reciters, wrote a book and named it "The Scent of Notification on the Blessed Birthday".
10. Imam Al-Hafiz Ibn Al-Jawzi, said in the description of Meelad: "Peace and Tranquillity takes over during that year and a good glad tiding to obtain your wish and inspiration".
11. Imam Abu-Shamah, The Sheik of Al Hafiz Al Nawawi, said: "The best of the innovations of our times is what is carried out on the day of corresponding to the birthday of our Beloved Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), where people give out donations, practice what is right, express their joy and happiness, in doing so is surely a sign of love and admiration for the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)".
12. Imam Al-Hafiz Al-Qastalani, who gave commentary on Sahih Bukhari, said: "May Allah shower his Mercy upon a person who takes the days of the month of Rabbi-ul-Awwal, in which the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) was born, as days of feast and celebration for doing so is the best cure for the heart of an ailing person."
Following all of the above, there is yet another false accusation, i.e. THOSE WHO OPPOSE MEELAD SHAREEF CLAIM THAT IF MEELAD WAS PART OF "DEEN", THEN SURELY THE PROPHET (SALLAL LAAHU ALAIHI WASALLAM) WOULD HAVE DONE IT HIMSELF AND HE WOULD HAVE MADE IT CLEAR FOR THE PEOPLE TO CELEBRATE IT?
THE REPLY IS:
Not everything which the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not do or his Companions would ultimately make things "HARAM". Since the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) himself said: "He who introduces a new good Sunnah in Islam will be rewarded for it ..."
Imam Shafi'i (radi Allahu anhu) said: "Anything which enjoys the backing of Shari'ah cannot be an innovation even if the Companions did not practice it, because their abstention from doing something may have been due to a particular reason which was there at that time, or they have left it to something which happens to be better, or perhaps news about a particular them did not reach them all".
Therefore, whosoever alleges that this thing is Haraam on the basis that the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not practice it, then surely he has alleged something which has no foundation or backing in Shari'ah and thus his allegation is refuted and rejected.
FINALLY
It should be noted that, according to your allegations you have stated, i.e. That every person who innovates or brings about into action that which the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) or the Companion did not do, means that this person has in fact introduced something bad into the religion, will be interpreted that the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not fulfil "THE DEEN" for his "UMMAH" and the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) did not convey what was ought to be conveyed to the Muslims! and whoever believes in that is a "KAAFIR".
We say, "We condemn you from your own words", because you have brought and practised so many innovation which the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) or the Companions never practised nor preached, not even "SALAF" ever do them.
To name just a few and not all:
1. To gather collectively the Muslims to pray behind one Imam during "TARAWIH PRAYERS", at the two Sacred Mosques and other Mosques.
2. Reading the "DU'A" at the conclusion of finishing the recitation of the Holy Qur'an during "TARAWIH PRAYERS" and "TAHAJUD PRAYERS".
3. Allocating the 27th night of Ramadaan to recite the whole Quran at the two Sacred Mosques.
4. The Caller for Azaan saying when announcing to the people the commencement of the "TARAWIH PRAYERS" the following, "RAISE UP FOR TARAWIH PRAYERS, MAY ALLAH REWARD YOU".
5. Claiming that "TARAWIH PRAYERS OR DIVINITY" is divided into three Parts.
Is this a Prophetic saying, or the saying of one of the Companions or of the Four Imams? And many other things such as the formation of the committees for "ENJOYING WHAT IS RIGHT AND FORBIDDING WHAT IS EVIL", establishment of universities, Association for memorisation of the Holy Quran, Offices of Dawah and "SPECIAL WEEK OF MASHA'YEKH". Hence, we do not raise objections to these things since they are in place for serving Islam. Let us add that these things are all "BID'AH" but we acknowledge that they are "GOOD BID'AH".
REFUTATION OF THE FINAL OBJECTION?
It is alleged that since the Birthday of the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the same as his demise, therefore, expressing joy on that day is no better than expressing grieve over his demise and if the religion of Islam was to be applied on the basis of one's opinion, then we are bound to show grief during this day and not happiness!
I will leave the rebut of such crooked argument to none other than Imam Suyuti himself, where he said in his famous book "Al-Hawaii Lil-Fatawii", p. 193, the following: "The birthday of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is the greatest favour of Allah granted to us, and that his demise is the greatest affliction for us. However, Shari'ah has encouraged us to show gratitude for favours and has taught us to observe patient perserverence, silence and calm in the face of afflictions. The Shari'ah has ordered us to offer "AQIQAH" on the birth of a child. But the Shari'ah has not ordered us to sacrifice an animal on the death of someone nor to do such action. On the contrary, it has prohibited wailing and lamentation. Thus, the laws of Shari'ah indicate that to exhibit happiness in this Holy month in connection with the birth of the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), is better than showing grief at his demise."
CONCLUSION
The Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) foretold about the coming of such people in the Hadith narrated by "Abu-Yaa'li" on the authority of "Huzaifah" who said:
The Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: "What I fear most for you, is a man who reads the Qur'an until such time when the blessing of Qur'an is reflected on him and he takes Islam as his Cloak ... he then turns around and strips himself off from Islam and then tosses it away behind his back, then he heads quickly towards his neighbour with his sword unsheathed and he calls him a 'MUSHRIK'" I said: "O, Prophet of Allah! Who is more worthy of being called a MUSHRIK the one being attacked or the attacker". He replied, "It is indeed the attacker."
To end this research on a happy note let me draw your attention to the following Hadith: The Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) has himself indicated the excellence of this great month and day in reply to a questioner. When the questioner wanted to find out about fasting on Mondays, the Noble Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied: "That is the day on which I was BORN".

**

[smooth_guy]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

@faisal as salafi

no bro its not a bidaah bcos the Rasool(saw) himself prayed it as it is narrated in Bukhaaree.
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Reference plz. Which hadeeth in Bukhaaree.

[faisal_as_salafi]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

brothers brothers brothers,chill out! i am only one man with 2 hands alhamdullilah.

firstly...bro sultan said

"Who the heck is "Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee???" Where did he study from? Does he have any ijazah from a succession of 'Ulema to teach in the science of hadith? That is the problem sir, you are relying upon the sayings of so called scholars who do not believe in following a particular madhab, and also carry heretical beliefs about Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala, such as saying that Allah Jalla Jalalu literally has two right hands? nauzubillah! "

if you hade abit of sense you would see that the line of narration is quoted in his book(saleem al Hilalee) and as suyotee is the one who said its weak not al Hilalee.

you are quick to reject without even verifying the ref i gave you. you then took a big jump and spoke abt Allaah(swt's) 2 Hands?? Allaah(swt) said in the Qur'aan

{(Allâh) said: "O Iblîs (Satan)! What prevents you from prostrating yourself to one whom I have created with Both My Hands.} (Surâtu Sâad:75)

How do the Ahlus Sunnah take this? does that Mean Allaah(swt) has Hands like us?? NO! NO! NO! such a saying is Kufr and can make one a Kafir!

the view of Ahlus Sunnah is tis my brother....

that we take them verses as they came without expalining how or we, we siply hear it and take it without questioning the verse of Allaah(swt's) attributes.

**Mullah 'Alee al-Qaaree al-Hanafee (d.1014H) writes, clarifying the creed of Imaam Aboo Haneefah, after mentioning the famous narration of Imaam Maalik ‘Istawaa is known, but how is unknown’:

"Likewise, our great Imaam (Aboo Haneefah) has the same stance as this position (of Imaam Maalik), and the same is the case with every verse and hadeeth from the Mutashaabihaat such as Hand, Eye, Face and other than these from the Attributes. So the meanings of the Attributes are known, as far as the 'howness' is concerned this is not known. Because the understanding of 'how' is branched onto the knowledge of the 'howness' of the Dhaat (of Allaah) and its reality. Therefore, if this (knowledge of the 'howness' of the Dhaat of Allaah) is unknown, how can the 'howness' of the Attributes be understood. The safe and beneficial conclusion in this regard is that Allaah be described with what He has described Himself and with what His Messenger has described Him without tahreef (distortion), ta'teel (divesting Allaah of the Attribute), without takyeef (asking 'how') and tamtheel (resemblance). Rather, the Names and Attributes are established for Him, and resemblance to the creation is negated. So your establishment would be free from resemblance (tashbeeh), whilst your negation would be free from divesture (ta'teel). Whoever negates the reality of Istawaa has thereby divested (Allaah of an Attribute), and whoever makes a resemblance for Him to the istawaa of the creation is a Mushabbih. But whoever says: Istawaa, without any likeness for Him, he is upon Tawheed and free from any blame."

(Mirqaat al-Mafaateeh Sharh Mishqaat al-Masaabeeh 8/251 of 'Alee al-Qaaree)
Al-Awzaa’ee (d. 157H) said: "I asked az-Zuhree and Makhool abaout the aayaat pertaining to the Sifaat (Attributes of Allaah), so they said: Leave them as they are." Reported by al-Laalikaa’ee in Sharh Usool ul-I’tiqaad (3/430) and Ibn Qudaamah al-Maqdisee in Dhamm ut-Ta’weel (p.18) and the isnaad is Hasan. **

*[2]. Al-Waleed ibn Muslim (d. 194H) said: "I asked Maalik, al-Awzaa’ee, Layth ibn Sa’d and Sufyaan ath-Thawree - may Allaah have mercy upon them - concerning the reports related about the Attributes, so they all said: Leave them as they are without asking how?" Reported by al-Aajurree in ash-Sharee’ah (p.314), al-Bayhaqee in al-Asmaa was-Sifaat (p.453) and also al-I’tiqaad (p/118) and the isnaad is Hasan. *

*[3]. Imaam Ahmad (d. 241H) said: "These ahaadeeth should be left as they are… We affirm them and we do not make any similitude for them. This is what has been agreed upon by the scholars." Reported by Ibn al-Jawzee in Manaaqib Imaam Ahmad (p.155-156). *

*[4]. Nu’aym bin Hammaad (d. 228H) said: "Whoever makes tashbeeh (resemblance) of Allaah to his creation has committed kufr (disbelief), and whoever denies what Allaah has described Himself with has also committed kufr. Indeed, all that Allaah has described Himself with, or what His Messenger has described Him with, then there is no tashbeeh in it at all." Reported by Imaam adh-Dhahabee in al-Uluww (no.217) *

*[5]. Imaam at-Tirmidhee (d. 279H) said: "It has been stated by more than one person from the People of Knowledge about such ahaadeeth, that there is no tashbeeh (resemblance) to the Attributes of Allaah, and our Lord - the Blessed and Most High - descends to the lowest heaven every night. So they say: "Affirm these narrations, have eemaan (faith) in them, do not deny them, nor ask how." The likes of this has been related from Maalik ibn Anas, Sufyaan ath-Thawree, Ibn Uyainah and Abdullaah ibn al-Mubaarak, who all said about such ahaadeeth: "Leave them as they are, without asking how." Such is the saying of the People of Knowledge from the Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jamaa’ah. However, the Jahmiyyah oppose these narrations and say: This is tashbeeh! However, Allaah the Most High, has mentioned in various places in His Book, the Attribute of al-Yad (Hand), as-Sama’ (Hearing), and al-Basr (Seeing) - but the Jahmiyyah make ta’weel of these aayaat, explaining them in a way, other than how they are explained by the People of Knowledge. They say: Indeed, Allaah did not create Aadam with His own Hand - they say that Hand means the Power of Allaah." Sunan at-Tirmidhee (3/24) *

*[6]. Al-Khattaabee (d. 338H) said: "The madhhab of the Salaf (the Pious Predecessors) with regard to the Sifaat (Attributes of Allaah) is to affirm them as they are alaa dhaahir (with their apparent meaning), negating any tashbeeh (resemblance) to them, nor takyeef (asking how they are)." Al-Ghuniyah an Kalaam wa Ahlihi - as quoted in Mukhtasir al-Uluww (no.137). *

[7]. Imaam as-Saaboonee (d. 449H) said: Indeed Ashaabul Hadeeth (the Scholars of Hadeeth), [those who hold fast to the Book and the Sunnah] - may Allaah protect their lives and shower mercy upon those that have died - bear witness to the Tawheed of Allaah and to the Messengership and Prophethood of His Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam). They know their Lord -the Mighty and Majestic - by the Attributes which He has spoken of in His Revelation, and by what He has sent down, or testified to, by His Messenger (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam). They do not believe in tashbeeh (resemblance) of His Attributes with the attributes of the creation. They say: Indeed, He created Aadam with His own Hands, as He - the Most Perfect - textually stated: **
*O Iblees! What prevented you from prostrating to one whom I have created with My Own (Two) Hands. [Soorah Sa’d 38:75] *
**So they do not distort the words from their (proper) context, by carrying the meaning of Yadain (the two Hands of Allaah) to mean ni’matain (two bounties) or quwwatain (two powers) - which is the tahreef (distortion) of the Mu’tazilah and the Jahmiyyah - may Allaah destroy them. They do not ask how these Attributes are, nor do they resemble them to His creation … Allaah, the Most High, protected Ahl us-Sunnah from such tahreef, takyeef and tashbeeh, and favoured them with knowledge and understanding." Aqeedat Ahl us-Sunnah wa Ashaab ul-Hadeeth wal A’immah (no.3)

bro if you wanna dicuss the Attributes of Allaah(swt) then open up a new topic and id be more than happy to discuss them issues you quoted our of context.. this is abt Bidah so lets stick to Bidaah!
now as for when you said "Now....As per your deceptive tactics, of using Imam Abu Hanifa (ra) as a cover for yourself...do you even believe in following one of the jurists of Sunni Islam? Or do you think that you don't need to follow one school of jurisprudence among hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, Shaf'ie"

firstly you have accused me decieving which is a pure slander as I have not taken anythin out of its context and answer to your question i believe we should follow a Madhab and i myself ascribe myself to the Hanbalee Madhab.
so whats yr point??

regarding your point "why are you telling "smooth_guy" that prophet (saws) performed tarawih during his life too, why don't you clarify the subject at hand and inform the brother that prophet (saws) performed tarawih first of all, not in congregation but rather at home, and secondly, that he (saws) did not pray 20 rakat? Why don't you make these things clear, that it was Khalif ar-Rashid Umar al-Faruq (ra) who introduced this concept? Also, why don't you mention how during the prophet's (saws) lifetime, the Maqam al-Ibrahim (Station of Prophet Ibrahim's (as) footprint), used to be attached to the Ka'aba, but during the Khilafat of Umar al-Faruq (ra), he moved it back many feet, and thus changing the rituals of Hajj? So then this is also a bid'ah is it not? "

i can tell you that YOU have not done your research properly because you accused me of not knowing what i was talking abt BUT n reality it is YOU that has not got a clue!!

The Rasool(saw) *“led his companions in praying for three nights, and on the third or fourth night he did not lead them, and he said: ‘I am afraid that it may be made obligatory upon you.’” This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (872). According to a version narrated by Muslim, “But I was afraid that prayer at night may be made obligatory upon you, and you would not be able to do it.” (1271). *

bro i thought The Rasool(saw) prayed "not in congregation but rather at home" I would like to see your comment on this sultan!!

you said "and secondly, that he (saws) did not pray 20 rakat?"

well akhee The Rasool(saw) didnt specify how many one must pray in Taraweeh so all opinions are valid.

care to comment?? on my post and please read it in search of truth and not in search of error.

you copied and pasted an article in your other post. bro why the copy and paste jobs. have u got no knowledge in yr head to take from??

Bro smooth guy i have given the ref above.

oh yeh regarding your statement** "Since you believe in Bukhari and Muslim so much, yet you don't even know that both of them are also full of weak hadiths as well, and htat is because weak hadith's are not rejected in the science of studying the transmission of hadith. First and foremost, these are BASIC classifications of the ahadith, which are:

Sahih - Sound
Hasan - Good
Dai'f - Weak
Maudu' - Forged or Fabricated"**

yes i do believe in them as they are the most authentic books after the Qur'aan.

i know about sahih, hasan. fabricated etc. i do study Islaam brother. but if they are "**full of weak hadiths" **then why are they called Saheeh bukhaari and Saheeh Muslim?? also can you show me which hadeeths are weak in them books??

when you reply reply, in a manner that befits a muslim AND have a good structure of sentences and not put them all over the place please. it makes it alot easier.

[Ahmad_G]

Re: Yes, we can celebrate Milad, the birth of the Prophet!

@stupid idiot

So how come companions(ra) of prohpet (s) didnt:
recite quran
chant
had guest apperances
provided refreshments
shared the joy

There are many things that we do that they did not do, but never said NOT to do it.

Why did Uthman innovate the second Adhan? Yet the Prophet did not do that.

Why do Muslims pray taraweeh in congregations?? Yet the Prophet did not do that either.

Why companions did no put dots for the Qur’an? Why was it accepted by the scholars that Yahya Bin Ya^mur add these characters to the Qur’an?? Yet the Prophet did not do that. Likewise he never said not to do that. Rather he peace be upon him said “he who innovates a good innovation in Islam will have its reward and the reward of those who practice it without lessening from their rewards…”

Answer those questions first.

I really couldnt believe my eyes that you used Saddam Hussayn as an example of what Muslims do and what they dont. There are thousands of things i can put here but just to keep things light: Saddam didnt had beard, porphet Muhammad (s) did. Now whome should we follow?

I did not set Saddam as an example, Allah knows about what is in his heart and yours.
I said that Arabs do celebrate Miladun-Nabiy because they have been doing it fro several hundred years practiced through the time, approved by companions.

Imam Suyootiy is one of those who approved it. He was a hafith and a Muhaddith are you a hafith or a muhaddith??

brother, if the enitre world would celebrate the occasion and prophet Muhammad(s) didnt and his companions(ra) didnt, I wont do it. I follow the Prophet (s) not the entire world. Whome do you follow btw?

The prophet never gave khutba using a Mic, why does the whole world do it?
The prophet never prayed taraweeh in groups, why did Omar innovate praying in groups?
BECAUSE IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT WITH THE TEACHIGNS OF THE PROPHET.

I’d just advice you to read islamic fiq before commentiong on what was added and what wasnt added. Besides I’m sure you’ve copy pated this arguement.

Among the scholars I used to support this, was Imam as-Suyootiy. Are you more knowledgeable than Imam Suyootiy?

Try to find out how Omar(ra) added the second Azan and why. Then look compare if how celbration of Milad started and why? And share with us what you find out.

Imam Omar did not add the second azan. Maybe you should are the one who should consider getting more knowledge?

Imam Omar grouped the people in praying taraweeh, even though the Prophet prayed it individually. Why did Omar do that? BECAUSE IT DOES NOT OPPOSE THE TEACHINGS OF THE PROPHET peace be upon him.

so basically it was Ibn Taymiha who started the ‘misguided innovations’? well that sure was deep knowledge sharing here brother.

FYI, Ibn Taymiah had many innovations.
Such as claiming that God sits on the throne.
Claiming that God seats Muhammad beside him on the throne.
That the throne has no beinging.
That this world is eternal, and has no beginning, which leads to the belief that God did not create this world.
That hellfire does not terminate.
That if one divorced his wife 3 times, it would not be considered 3 to him.

Although ibn Taymiah opposes his followers now adays, wahabies, and agreed with Ahlsu-Sunnah about Milad-un-Nabiy !!! YES he did. In fact ibn Taymiah said that “^aml al-Mawlid Amrun hasan” which means doing Miladun-Nabiy celebration is a good thing. (see his book Iqtida’ as-Sirat al-Mustaqeem). Yet wahabies still follow ibn Taymiah in everything except in such things.

Tell you what, the catagories of the biddah that you make like the ‘dangerious’ bidah and the ‘misguided bida’ and the ‘good bidah’ and ‘not good bida’ just tell me how did these divisions were made. I mean prophet (s) must have made these divisions, or is that he said (esstimated meaning) ‘all’ the bidaas are misguidance.

To answer that question:

The prophet himself categories Bid^a in the hadith I mentioned before which was:
«من سنَّ في الإسلام سنة حسنة فله أجرها وأجر من عمل بها إلى يوم القيامة، لا ينقص من أجورهم شىء ومن سنَّ فِى الإسلام سنة سيئة فعليه وزرها ووزر من عمل بها إلى يوم القيامة لا ينقص من أوزارهم شىء»

This hadith of the Prophet means: <>
Note the Arabic text of:
Sunnah Hasanah = good innovation
Sunnah Sayi’ah = bad innovation

The Prophet also said, “He who innovates something in this matter of ours that is not of it will have it rejected.”

Note, He specified “that is not of it”. Which means whoever innovates something that is not of the religion, that opposes it, it is rejected.

What complies with the Qur’an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^ (scholarly consensus), and the sayings and practices of the Companions is an innovation of guidance, and what contradicts the Qur’an, the Sunnah, the Ijma^, and the sayings and actions of the Companions is an innovation of misguidance. This definition of the two types of innovations was given by many knowledgeable and trustworthy scholars of Islam; among them ** Imam ash-Shafi^iyy, Imam an-Nawawiyy, al-Bayhaqiyy, and the Hafidh, Ibn Hajar al-^Asqalaniyy.**

Are you more knowledgable then them?

Find the orignal name of Imam Shafi, then I’ll share one of his fatwa with you. But only if you say that you ‘believe’ e’th he said and did. You see brother if you accept one fatwa from shafi and dont accept the other from him then there is not point reffering to what he said is it?

It’s not a condition for me to know the original name of Shaif^iy, to know what he said. And only people like you would not know who Muhammad Ibn Idrees is.

And btw, please quote the refference of the book in which you found the above quoted material assosiated with shafi

You find it. I have it in full reference, do you accept it?
If you deny it, bring the proof.

Christan didnt worshipped Issa(a). Your schoalr is mistaken about it. It was only after the segregations of the religion when they started worshiping Issa(a).

I have no Idea why you argue yourself. You denied it then believed it!!
SO Christians worshipped Issa.

Besides we dont need a perticular day to praise Muhmmmad(s). And we are so concerned about happiness which we got after having him our prophet then why dont we ‘just’ do what he did and his companions(ra) did?

Muslims took his birth as a Memory. They recite Qur’an, Naat, and feed the poor. Why do you hate that? Why fight hundreds of Millions of Muslims who are happy celebrating the Prophet’s birth? Because wahabies want to always oppose ahlussunnah. They made this fitnah.

For how long in Pakistan, India, countries of Middle east are doing Miladun-Nabiy? Do you know for how long? It’s been going for over 700 years. In the past 700 years we had more qualified scholars to give fatwa ever than those who are getting paid now a days to say what they like to say.

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Please do try to answer the questions asked. Hopefully it’ll be a great learning xp for all of us. inshaAllah
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I hope you benefit from what was mentioned.

brother, if the enitre world would celebrate the occasion and prophet Muhammad(s) didnt and his companions(ra) didnt, I wont do it. I follow the Prophet (s) not the entire world. Whome do you follow btw?

Follow the Prophet. I’m not ordering you to celebrate Miladun-Nabiy.
We are not telling anyone that they must do it !!!

We are stopping wahabies and their supporters from fighting millions of Muslims because they do a good thing like that, because they celebrate Miladun-Nabiy. If you don’t want to celebrate, don’t. If you want to celebrate, go ahead and make your intentions sincere for Allah, and for the sake of teaching about prophet Muhammad.

Moreover it should be known that the act of legitimating and forbidding new matters is the function of top Scholars of Islam (Mujtahidin) such as: Imam Malik, Ash-Shafi^iyy, Abu Hanifah and Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (may Allah be pleased with them). So, we say to whoever objects or forbids the Celebration of the Mawlid of Prophet Muhammad claiming that the Prophet did not do it: “ Do you object to the existence of (Maharib) prayer niches in the Mosques ?! or assembling the chapters of the Holy Qur’an (Suwar) in the Mushaf ?! or placing the dots under and above some of the Arabic letters to reduce the difficulty of reading the Holy Qur’an?” Let’s remember the Hadith that was narrated by Imam Muslim in his Sahih book that Prophet Muhammad said what means: “

**The one who innovates a good innovation in Islam has its reward and a reward similar to those who follow him in it”.

Imam Ash-Shaf^iyy concluded from this Hadith that innovated matters in Islam are classified into two categories: the bad innovation, which contradicts with the Qur’an or Hadith, and the liked innovation which agrees with the Qur’an and Sunnah (Methodology of the Prophet).

Also Al-Hafidh Al-Iraqiyy, Ibn Hajar, As-Suyutiyy, As-Sakhawiyy and the other top Scholars in Islam (may Allah be pleased with them) dictated that celebrating the Occasion of the Prophet’s Birth (Mawlid) is a good and praised deed. **

So whoever gives a different opinion, his word is not taken into consideration since it disagrees with the Hadith and the opinion of the considerable scholars of Islam.

Now, Why should we celebrate the prophet’s birthday?

I tell you: Why shouldn’t we?

Why shouldn’t we celebrate the birth of the best creations of Allah?

Why shouldn’t we celebrate the birth of the man who guided us to the light of Islam?

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Why the companions didn’t celebrate his birth?

Why the companions didn’t write the Qur’an with points with the letters?

Why the companions didn’t make maharib for the mosques?

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Th prophet’s peace be upon him said when he was asked about fasting Monday: ذاك يوم ولدت فيه , which means, that’s a day when I was born

This answer shows that the day of his birth is a day that has a certain status in Religion, and Allah ta^ala said: وافعلوا الخير , and in the celebration of the prophet’s birth we do good things, reading Qur’an and feeding people, and reading the story of mawlid, these are all recommended things, so why not doing it in a great day?

Lastly our supplication to Allah is to protect you and us from misguiding and deception “ Amen”.

[Ahmad_G]

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Why do millinos of Muslism do Mawlid?
- Wh not?

Why do wahabies want to stop Muslims from celerbating the Prophet's birth?
- Because they always like opposing Ahlus-sunnah. And that's why the also want want to stop the Muslims from visiting his grave (Like what Sayidna Bilal al-habashiy did..), and making tabarruk by his traces (like sayidna khalid bin alwaleed did), making naat for the Prophet (like many comanions did..), making tawassul through the Prophet peace be upon him (like blind companion did..) and all things that indicate the greatness of the Prophet.

If everything the Prophet did not do is misguidance, then what does this hadith mean?
"The one who innovates a good innovation in Islam has its reward and a reward similar to those who follow him in it”.
-The scholars said anything that complies with the religion fits under that hadith.

[faisal_as_salafi]

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it means this.....

Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah **(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth)

There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah **** (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah ****(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported by Muslim, no. 1017)

Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We were with the Messenger of Allaah **** (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1].

"Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18].

Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah *(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah *(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah).
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dont take them out of context bro. show the full hadeeth instead of just the part that benefits you.

[Ahmad_G]

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روى الإمام البيهقي في مناقب الشافعي رضي الله عنه، قال :
المحدثات ضربان: ما أحدث مما يخالف كتابا أو سنة أو أثرا أو إجماعا فهذه بدعة الضلال، وما أحدث من الخير لا خلاف فيه لواحد من هذا. أنتهى.

Al-Hafidh, al-Mujtahid, Al-Bayhaqiy Narrated in "Manaqib ash-Sahfi3iy:
Innovations are of 2 types, one that opposes the Qur’an and Sunnah or the sayings of the companions or the Ijam^, consensus of the scholars, that is the innovation of misguidance. The second type is what was innovated from the good innovations that has no opposition to any of the aforementioned sources.

روى أبو نعيم عن إبراهيم الجنيد قال: سمعت الشافعي يقول: البدعة بدعتان: بدعة محمودة وبدعة مذمومة، فما وافق السنة فهو محمود، وما خالف السنة فهو مذموم
Abu Na^im narrated from the route of Ibrahim al-Junayd he said: I heard shafi^iy say that the Bid^a is of 2 types, a praised bid^a and a dispraised bid^ah. What complies with the alsunna it’s praised, and what opposes alsunnah it’s dispraised.

تَنْقَسِمُ البدعة إلى قِسْمَين كَما يُفهَمُ ذلكَ مِن حَديثِ عائِشَةَ رضِيَ الله عنْها قالَت: قالَ رسولُ الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "مَن أَحْدَثَ في أمْرِنا هَذا مَا لَيسَ منْهُ فَهُوَ رَدٌّ"، أي مَردُودٌ. والحديث رواهُ البخارِيُّ ومسلمٌ،
Bid^a is of tow types as taken from the hadith of ^aisha may Allah’s mercy be upon her as she said: The messenger peace be upon him said: Prophet Muhammad , says in this respect: "He who innovates something that is not in agreement with our matter (religion), will have it rejected.

وروى الحافظ البيهقي بإسناده في مناقب الشافعي عن الشافعي رضي الله عنه قال: "المحدَثات من الأمور ضربان: أحدهما ما أحدث مما يخالف كتابًا أو سنةً أو أثرًا أو إجماعًا، فهذه البدعة الضلالة، والثانية: ما أحدث من الخير لا خلاف فيه لواحد من هذا، وهذه محدثة غير مذمومة" اهـ.
Al-Bayhaqiy narrated with his Isna also in “Manaqib ash-shafi^iy” that ash-shafi^iy may Allah have mercy upon both of them said “Innovations are of 2 types, one that opposes the Qur’an and Sunnah or the sayings of the companions or the Ijam^, consensus of the scholars, that is the innovation of misguidance. The second type is what was innovated from the good innovations that has no opposition to any of the aforementioned sources, and that is the innovation that is not dispraised.

Allah knows. Best.

SO, it can’t be put any simpler than this:
Innovation (Bid^ah) is of two types one that does not comply with Qur’an and Sunnah and that is rejected, and one that complies with Qur’an and Sunnah which is accepted in Islam such as al-Mawlid celebration.

[Ahmad_G]

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Thanks for the advise faisla. I'll just put this for you:
وروى الحافظ البيهقي بإسناده في مناقب الشافعي عن الشافعي رضي الله عنه قال: "المحدَثات من الأمور ضربان: أحدهما ما أحدث مما يخالف كتابًا أو سنةً أو أثرًا أو إجماعًا، فهذه البدعة الضلالة، والثانية: ما أحدث من الخير لا خلاف فيه لواحد من هذا، وهذه محدثة غير مذمومة" اهـ.

Which is the saying of Shaifi^iy that is taken from the hadith of the Prophet I mentioned before that the innovation is of 2 types, a good innovation and a bad innovation, just like Imam shafi^iy said.

So O Muslim Nation:
Yes, be honored to celebrate the birth of the Prophet. As long as you comply with the Qur’an and sunnah, there’s no harm on you. If you recite Qur’an in the proper way, and if you praise and mention the prophet in what was mentioned about him, and you feed the poor and rich halal food for the sake of Allah, then there’s no harm on you. And ignore all those who tell you stop making such dhiker to Allah.

[faisal_as_salafi]

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yeh but i posted the folloing earlier?? are you not gna check this out??

btw As for the narrations from Imaam ash-Shaafi'ee in which he categorises bid'ah into two, then it is weak as all of it's chains of narrations depend upon unknown narrators. [al-Bid'ah of Shaykh Saleem al-Hilaalee, al-Masaabeeh fee Salaatit Taraaweeh of as-Suyutee with Alee Hasans footnotes]. Not only this but in his risalah he rejects the concept of istihsaan because 'the person doing so has legislated in the sharee'ah' i.e. without permission from Allaah.

also lets say for arguements sake he did this this but then what abt all these sayings...

*Abdullaah ibn Umar (RA) states, "every innovation is misguidance, even if the people regard it as *GOOD." (ad-Daarimee) **

**Mu'aadh bin Jabal (RA) used to say, whenever he sat in a circle of knowledge, "and I warn you of what is innovated, for all that is innovated is misguidance" [ash-Sharee'ah pg.55, also Abu Dawood with similar wording]

Abdullaah ibn Mas'ud (RA) said, "follow the sunnah of Muhammad and do not innovate, for what you have been commanded is enough for you." [ad-Daarimee]

Hudhayfah bin al-Yaman said, "every act of worship that the Companions did not do,* do not do it*" [Abu Dawood]

Is this not enough? That the Companions tell us to follow the way of Muhammad (SAW) and not to make up new ways of worship?

"whomsoever Allaah guides to the truth, none can misguide him, and whomsoever Allaah misguides, none can guide"! [Muslim]

also lets put some icing to the cake with some sayongs from our respected Imaams-

Imaam Abu Haneefah said, "stick to the narrations and the way of the salaf, and beware of the newly invented matters for all of it is innovation" [Sawnul Muntaq of as-Suyutee pg.32]

Imaam Maalik said, "he who innovates an innovation in Islaam regarding it as something good, has claimed that Muhammad (SAW) has betrayed his trust to deliver the message as Allaah says, 'this day have I perfected for you your religion'. And whatsoever was not part of the religion then, is not part of the religion today." [al-I'tisaam]

He also said, "how evil are the People of Innovation, we do not give them salaam" [al-Ibaanah of ibn Battah (d.387) no.441]

Imaam Ahmad said, "the fundamental principles of the sunnah with us are:.avoiding innovations and every innovation is misguidance" [Usul as-Sunnah of Imaam Ahmad pg.1]
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*Imaam Bukhaaree said, "I have met more than a thousand scholars.(then he mentioned the names of the more prominent in each of the lands that he travelled in) and I found that they all agreed on the following points: they all used to prohibit bid'ah - that which the Prophet and his Companions were not upon, because of the saying of Allaah, 'and hold fast to the rope of Allaah and do not separate'" [Imaam Bukhaaree's article on belief as quoted in Sharh Usul I'tiqaad 1/170. From amongst the scholars he met were: Ahmad bin Hanbal, Abu Ubaid al-Qaasim, ibn Ma'een, ibn Aasim, ibn Abee Shaybah.]
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[faisal_as_salafi]

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you have already taken one hadeeth of the Rasool(saw) out of context. Allaah(swt) knows how many others u have taken out of context and u didnt even comment on it which shows u r not sincere.

[faisal_as_salafi]

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not just that u also misquoted ibn Taymeeyyah, Muhammad ibn Abdul wahaab many times n i brought evidence to refute yrs and u simply went on to another subject.

U dont even comment on the things u get refuted on. are you scared??

[smooth_guy]

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Maulana Justice Taqi Usmani sahab on Milaad

Q: What is the truth about Milad? On the 12th of Rabi-Awwal Milad-un-Nabi is celebrated with great fanfare and Milad meetings are arranged. What is the ruling of Shariah regarding that?

A: The gatherings arranged to remember the birth of the Prophet Muhammad, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, the mercy to the mankind, are called Milad gatherings. Remembering the life of the Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, and teaching others about it, is an act of great blessing and virtue. However all good deeds have to be performed according to the rules and guidelines established by the Shariah. To exceed them is a grave sin. For example reciting the Qur’an is a great act of virtue, but it is prohibited to do so while one is in ruku or sujud in prayers. Likewise, Salat is one of the most important acts of worship. Yet, it is haram to perform it at sunrise or sunset.

Similarly, there are rules governing the blessed remembrance of the Sirah. For example, this remembrance must not be associated with a particular day or month; it should be considered equally virtuous during every month of the year, every week of the month, and every day of the week. Also it can take any permissible form.

For example you can arrange a reading of an authentic book on Sirah or have a lecture delivered by a scholar. Doing that is not only permissible but it will bring great reward. But it is important to stay away from the evils found in the prevalent Milad gatherings. Here are some of those evils:

1. A particular date (12 Rabi-Awwal) has been designated for this remembrance. There is no evidence supporting this designation during the time of Sahaba (Companions), the tabiyeen (the generation that followed the companions) or taba-tabiyeen (the next generation). This designation is bida’a (innovation).

2.The element of showoff (riya) is commonly present in these gatherings.

3.If someone does not attend these gatherings, he is looked down upon.

4.Distribution of sweets is considered an indispensable part of the proceedings.

5.To meet the expenses donations are collected from sometimes unwilling people who give money under social pressure. According to the hadith it is not permissible to take any Muslim’s money without his willingness.

6.Intermixing of men and women commonly takes place in these gatherings. People stay late at night in these meetings thereby missing the next morning’s prayers.

7.The focus of the talks delivered there is very limited. The Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, has given guidance for every aspect of our life. These cover acts of worship, dealing with other people, morals and manners, social relationships, business dealings, etc. However, it has been observed that the prevalent Milad talks concentrate mainly or solely on the account of the birth of the Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, and his miracles. They do not attempt to cover the vast teachings of the Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam. [Thus, not only the form of these meetings but also the message given by them is generally a distorted one. Translator.]

For these reasons one should refrain from the prevalent Milad gatherings. However if care is taken to avoid all of these evils and to follow the Shariah carefully, then a meeting organized to remember the Prophet, Sall-Allahu alayhi wa sallam, with the sole purpose of seeking Allah’s pleasure, will Insha-Allah be a blessed event. And Allah knows best.

Written: Muhammad Abdul Muntaqim Sylheti (Darul-Ifta, Darul-uloom Karachi, Pakistan)

Concurrence from:

Justice Mufti Muhammad Taqi Usmani, Mufti Muhammad Rafi Usmani , Mufti Abdul Rauf Sakharvi And many others.

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I prefere to remember Prophet :saw: throughout the year, recite Quran and his hadith and listening to Na’at that have no contents of any shirk or Indian Filmi tunes.

[faisal_as_salafi]

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deleted!

[stupid_idiot]

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brother ahmed please respond to my second post as well so i can talk again : )

[faisal_as_salafi]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

and also comment on the hadeeth u took out of context.

[Ya_Sultan_e_Madina]

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Now there, Mr. "Salafi", Let me remind you of a few things in regards to the status held by the Khulafa ar-Rashidun, by saying the following, so that your debauchery and debating and personal interpretation of how many ra'kat or tarawih should be prayed, regarding the order of praying 20 ra'kat implemented by Hazrat Umar (ra) - please keep your self-made loose interpretation of the ahadith at bay now, because we, Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah believe in Taqlid, we follow our Imams, we follow the four Imams in jurisprudence, all are accepted as correct yet we follow the ijtihad of just one and at the same time accept the others as also being corrrect - and we follow Imam Abu'l Hasan al-Ashari and Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi in or Aqaa'id, which are the only two schools of AQEEDAH within Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah.

Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Haytami also said in his book al-Fatawa al-Hadithiyya (pg. 205): "Man of bid'ah means one whose beliefs are different from the Ahl as-Sunnah faith. The Ahl as-Sunnah faith, is the faith of Abu'l Hasan al-Ashari, Abu Mansur al-Maturidi and those who followed them. One who brings forth something which is not approved by Islam becomes a man of bid'ah."

We do not follow ibn Taymiyya or the deviant Muhammad ibn Wahhab an-Najdi at-Tamimi, the second greatest innovator amongst the Ummah after Musaiylima the Liar and False prophet, who were both, as the 'Ulema during the times of the Uthmani Sultanate, declared ibn Wahhab as the other horn of Shaytan from the Najd, the first being Musaiylima the LIAR - NOR do we invent our own personal understandings of Aqeedah as you have shown forth previously. Our Aqaa'id regarding Allah Jalla Jalalu are in conformity with Imam al-Ashari and Imam al-Maturidi.

The beliefs of ibn Wahhab, ibn Taymiyya, bin Baaz, and al-Albani, ARE NOT. Please note that for your following comments, because if you argue on this, then you are denying an obvious fact proven by their own mouths, written in their heretical books.

We, 'Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah, follow the Salaf as-Salihin more so than those who claim to be "Salafi's" who, are actually outside the ijma (consensus) of the Ulema and involve themselves in the biggest bid'a of interpreting the Ahadith and Qur'an on literal and incorrect interpretations, because they have no ijazah to do so. If you want to find a hadith scholar with ijazah to interpret the ahadith, go to Shaykh Muhammad bin Yahya al-Ninowy, or the Ghumari Mashayakhin from Shaam, from them you will find legitimate muhadditheen, not illegitimate so called Salafi manipulators who pick and choose which of the ahadith fit their box minded constructs of Usul al-fiqh.

Sayyidina Rasul-Allah, Sal' Allahu 'alaiyhi wa ala alihi wa sallam said:

"One who found in his Amir (the ruler of the true Islamic state; which is absent today) something which he disliked should hold his patience, for one who separated from the main body of the Muslims even to the extent of a handspan and then he died, would die the death of one belonging to the days of Jahiliyya."

(Sahih Muslim, 3/4559; English ed'n & Sahih al-Bukhari, 9/257; English ed'n)

Now that it is well known that the main body majority of Muslims who are real Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah (who are from among the two schools of Aqaa'id and the four schools of fiqh) have been celebrating Mawlid un-Nabi (saws) for over 800 years, and the Salafite Sect (offshoot of the Wahhabites) which started to grow like a disease by Al-Albani, laanatullahi alaiyh, does not, then are you trying to still tell me that those who ascribe to the Salafite sect are part of Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah? Sorry, but all the 'Ahl as-Sunnah 'Ulema for centuries and even today who hold the majority consensus position in the world, have and continue to declare the Wahhabite and Salafite sects as exactly that, sects that is outside the mainstream consensus of Muslims in the world. But please, keep believing that Muhammad ibn Abd' al-Wahhab an-Najdi at-Tamimi (la'natullahi alaiyh) was the Mujaddid of his century...how sickening that Salafite sect followers actually believe that about a man who said Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala literally descends down the seven heavens, among other lies about Allah (swt), I suggest that you make istigfhar because you praised ibn Wahhab in your previous post mr. Salafi.

Also, it is you who have obviously taken my words out of context. The praying in congregation of 20 rakats is exactly the point as Brother Ahmed G has pointed out to you already, that even though Sayyidina Rasul-Allah (Sal' Allahu alaiyhi wa ala alihi wa sallam) did NOT pray 20 rakat Salatul Tarawih in Congregation and rather prayed them separately individually, not in regards to the five daily prayers, read properly next time. It is that he (saws) did not pray Salatul Tarawih in congregation at 20 rakat, that is where the practice of Sayyidina Umar al-Faruf (ra), is the minimum to be followed and is a SUNNAH! Because whatever the Ashab al-Kiram (ra'um) implemented after Sayyidina Rasul-Allah (saws), then that TOO is the SUNNAH! Whether you like that fact or not, it is a fact as he (saws) said it so there is no room for denial.

Be careful in your weighing of the Ahadith to Qur'an by saying that Bukhari and Muslim are the second most authentic book after Qur'an????? Are you out of YOUR MIND? You talk as if the Qur'an is not 100 percent authentic...Ya Rabbi, what is in your mind fellow? Your words are a clear indication of your lack of respect for even the Qur'an al-Karim, let alone your obstentation from appreciating the high praise that celebrators of Mawlud have for Rasul-Allah, alaiyhis-salaatu was-salaam.

A weak hadith is accepted, and that is exactly why they are in the most authentic books of hadith compiled by Imam Bukhari and Imam Muslim," and by the way there are six most authentic books of hadith, Sahih as-Sitta. The moment you start to understand, that instead of following YOUR whims and desires, and accept a weak hadith as being valid than those self reached opinions, that is the moment that you will realize that my point was that neither Imam Nawawi Nor Imam Ash-Shafi'e, may Allah be pleased with them both, objected to using a weak hadith Mr. Salafite.

Imam Nawawi stated when summarizing the standard rule on using weak Hadiths in the Majmu' al-Fatawa:

"A weak Hadith cannot be used as primary evidence [Ihtijaj] in matters of what is 'lawful and unlawful' [Ahkam] and faith [meaning that it cannot, on its own, lead to an injunctive legal ruling [Hukm Shar'i Taklifi] that may involve a sin in matters of what is lawful [Halal] and unlawful [Haram] and what is obligatory [Wajib]; or indicate a stipulatory legal ruling [Hukm Shar'i Wad'i] determining the soundness of a particular act, such as its valid condition [Shart] and its prevention [Mani']]. However [as long as it is not a fabricated Hadith], it can be narrated, and it can be used in matters other than what is 'lawful and unlawful' * or what is recommended [Mandub/Sunna] and what is disliked [Makruh]], such as in Qisas [telling moral stories] and in Fada'il al-A'mal and in Targhib wa al-Tarhib [arousing one's desire to do good and inspiring one's fear from doing evil]."
[al-Nawawi, Majmu', 1:93].

I will end by praising Rasul-Allah (saws) as he deserves proper praise, in the tradition of some of the greatest Ahl' as-Sunnah 'Ulema of the past:

It is related that Jabir ibn `Abd Allah said to the Prophet :

"O Messenger of Allah, may my father and mother be sacrificed for you, tell me of the first thing Allah created before all things."

Rasul-Allah (saws) replied:

"O Jabir, the first thing Allah created was the light of your Prophet from His light, and that light remained (lit. "turned") in the midst of His Power for as long as He wished, and there was not, at that time, a Tablet or a Pen or a Paradise or a Fire or an angel or a heaven or an earth. And when Allah wished to create creation, he divided that Light into four parts and from the first made the Pen, from the second the Tablet, from the third the Throne, [and from the fourth everything else]."

Source:
1. Imam Bayhaqi, in his Sharh al-mawahib (1:56 of the Matbaa al-amira in Cairo) and Diyarbakri in Tarikh al-khamis (1:20)

1. Muhammad ibn `Alawi al Maliki al-Hasani (From Madinah)

in his commentary on `Ali al-Qari's book of the Mawlid entitled Hashiyat al-Mawrid al-rawi fi al-mawlid al-nabawi (p. 40) said: "The chain of Jabir is sound without contest, but the scholars have differed concerning the text of the hadith due to its peculiarity. Bayhaqi also narrated the hadith with some differences." Then he quoted several narrations establishing the light of the Prophet.

Mullah Ali al-Qari, Shaykh Alawi al-Maliki, and IMAM BAYHAQI recorded this hadith!

Mr. Salafite, please answer for me this question. If mawlid un-Nabi is bad and is a bad bid'a as you say, why did Mullah Ali al-Qari (ra) name his book and showcase in this book the blessings and virtues of celebrating Mawlid un-Nabi (saws)? Here's the name of the book again if you did not see it written above for some reason:

Hashiyat al-Mawrid al-rawi fi al-mawlid al-nabawi

This shows everyone, including you Mr. Salafi, the station of Rasul-Allah (saws), and that Celebrating Mawlid un-Nabi (saws) is done because of the numerous other traditions which show the station and stature of our Prophet (saws).

Oh wait...you're going to tell me that you know more than Mullah Ali al-Qari, or that he did bid'a right? :-D That's right I forgot, you've already denied every other classical Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah scholar i've shown before who supports Mawlid un-Nabi anyways....

Allahumma Salee Ala Muhammadin wa ala, aali Muhammadin Wa sallim,
Allahumma Salee Ala Muhammadin wa ala, aali Muhammadin Wa sallim,
Allahumma Salee Ala Muhammadin wa ala, aali Muhammadin Wa sallim.*

[Ya_Sultan_e_Madina]

Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)

Oh yes btw Mr. Faisal al-Salafi, I did some looking up on the history of your reknowned and faithful teacher, Saleem al-Hilaalee, and for the information of all those Sunni and Shi'a Muslims present here for that matter, be forewarned, that;

Saleem al-Hilaalee was one of al-Albani's foremost students who succeeded al-Albani, who declared ascribed a body, or human form to Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala. But it doesn't stop there, I found out even more disturbing information....

A book entitled, The Blind Following of Madhhabs, written by so called Shaykh al-Khadjnadee, was edited by a one follower of al-Albani, the Salafi Khwarajite, Saleem al-Hilaalee. In this book, al-Khadjnadee tries miserably and pointlessly to refute the practice of "TAQLID." And this is due partly because of the MIS-TRANSLATION of the book by one SALEEM AL-HILAALEE, the very "SHAYKH" whom Faisal al-Salafi in this thread continues to reference from.

For example, in this book, Blind Following of Madhhabs, Saleem al-Hilaalee translates on page 3:

"I also noticed some places containing that which was superfluous, so I left it out."

So what were these superfluous statements Mr. Hilaalee left out?

THEN you all won't believe this one...

On Page 4, it says that al-Khadjnadee met:

"Shaykh Muhammad Rasheed Ridaa. He helped with al-Mansur Magazine (this was edited by the last named person), and bought all of its back issues and the works of Shaykh Muhammad Abdah, and likewise what had been printed for the works of Shaykh ul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah and his student Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah."

For this last quote from this deceiving book of lies translated by Saleem al-Hilaalee, most of us from Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah and people who know a little bit about past, that all FOUR of the last named people had corrupt Aqeedah, as well as being famous for making huge mistakes regarding the Shari'ah.

Further to that, it is a common fact and well known, that Muhammad Rashid Rida and his teacher Muhammad Abduh, were both FREE MASONS who tried their best to reinterpret the Shari'ah according to their own "whims and desires" as Mr. Salafi likes to say so I will use his own words towards him now, and further to that, both those Free Masons claimed that they were going to "reform" Islam from "impurities" and this in turn, led to their eventual lack of belief in the concept of Taqlid. In that way, they stopped believing hte the four schools of fiqh of Hanafi, Shafi'e, Maliki, Hanbali.

Muhammad Rashid Rida and Muhammad Abduh both had a fatwa issued against their heretical beliefs of their time, by the Grand Mufti of Egypt, the blessed Shaykh Muhammad Bakhit al-Muti'i!

Mr. Faisal al-Salafi...I really hope that you know what you've gotten yourself into. This is the party of Dajjal. The scholar whom you quote for Ahadith and their meanings, is praising some of the biggest innovators of the 20th century!

May Allah Azza wa jaal protect us from these sects of misguidance and continue to preserve Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'aah against these heretical and corrupted people...Allah Allah Allah keep us preserved in our LOVE for Rasul-Allah Sal' Allahu 'alaiyhi wa sallam.

More quotes of misguidance of Saleem al-Hilaalee (the teacher of Mr. Faisal al-Salafi on this forum), from the book Saleem al-Hilaalee translated called The Blind Following of Madhabs:

Saleem al-Hilaalee said on page 13 of, "For example, the Maalikees leave their arms at their side, during the Salaah and read Qunoot in Fajr, whereas we find Maalik-rahimahullaah-quotes in al-Muwatta; "Chapter: placing the two hands; one upon the other in Prayer... But the later Maalikees use as evidence that Maalik used to pray with his hands hanging at his side, this is ignorance with regard to the madhhab which they follow. Since Ja'far ibn Sulaymaan, the governor of al-Madeenah lashed the Imaam in the year 146H and stretched out his arms until his hands became dislocated and so he was not able to place his hands one over the other in Prayer...."

The above statement by al-Hilaalee claimed that those who follow the Maliki Madhhab only left their hands unfolded in Salah, since Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) had to leave his arms unfolded after being lashed!! He also claims that this is "ignorance with regard to the madhhab which they follow." But in reality, it is he who has fallen into the abyss of ignorance on this issue by 'blind' supposition! Although Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) related two Hadiths supporting the folding of the right hand on the left in Salah in his al-Muwatta, this does not mean that Imam Malik (Rahimahullah) himself always folded his hands in Salah. As you may have read in the section on "The Placing of Hands in Prayer", I quoted the most authoritative position of the Maliki madhhab, as well as what Imam Malik himself said about placing the hands in Salah. Here is the quote again for good measure; and for the displacement of ignorant claims: "In al- Mudawwanah (vol. 1, pg. 75-76), Imam Malik has been recorded to have said, 'Putting the right hand on the left in salah, I have no knowledge of it in the compulsory (Fard) prayer, it is thus disliked (Makrooh). But in the supererogatory (Nafl) prayer their is no harm (in folding the hands), it is left to the individual to decide.' Please ask yourselves who is ignorant, al-Hilaalee or the Maliki scholars?!

I have more to come....respeted brother Ahmed G, let it be known that the Salafi's are not only Khawarijites, but collaborators with founding Free Masons in Egypt.