Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)
Asalaamu'alaykum Bro
Im at work right now and have read yr post and BOY am i gna enjoy refutin you when i get home. Subhan'Allaah u have lied and put words into my mouth and accused me of kufr!
dont worry bro. ul get a niiiice reply. yr actually making my point stronger.
Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)
oh what the heck, il just do it now..
Bro Sultan id like to start of by saying you still have not commented on my previous post where you clearly stated that the Rasool(Saw) did not pray in congregation rather he prayed alone but i showed you proof which stated He(saw) lead some companions in prayer. you jumped to attacking me again without finishing off what you said abt the Taraweeh prayer.
also you supprt for Ahmad g said alot too.
He misquoted a Hadeeth regarding "Good Bidaah" to which i submitted the FULL hadeeth. and you didnt seem to comment on that! neither u or Ahmad G
so please dear brother comment on that before throwing more accusations against me and do not shy way from it. One who seeks the Truth does now shy away from accepting that which goes against the Sunnah Of the Rasool(Saw).
Now lets get started on what yr last post said....
Now there, Mr. "Salafi", Let me remind you of a few things in regards to the status held by the Khulafa ar-Rashidun, by saying the following, so that your debaucher*y and debating and personal interpretation of how many ra'kat or tarawih should be prayed, regarding the order of praying 20 ra'kat implemented by Hazrat Umar (ra) - please keep your self-made loose interpretation of the ahadith at bay now, because we, Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah believe in Taqlid, we follow our Imams, we follow the four Imams in jurisprudence, all are accepted as correct yet we follow the ijtihad of just one and at the same time accept the others as also being corrrect - and we follow Imam Abu'l Hasan al-Ashari and Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi in or Aqaa'id, which are the only two schools of AQEEDAH within Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah. *
Whats yr point? did i not tell you i follow the Hanbalee madhab? do you even read my replies?? i have a friend upon the Salafee Manhaj who follows the Hanafee madhab. whats yr point?? and since when did i debate the numbers of Rakat??
regarding your statement abt the Asharis and Matarudis. this can be debated but not on this thread. i will insha'Allaah open up a new thread regarding Aqeedah.
you said
We do not follow ibn Taymiyya or the deviant Muhammad ibn Wahhab an-Najdi at-Tamimi, the second greatest innovator amongst the Ummah after Musaiylima the Liar and False prophet, who were both, as the 'Ulema during the times of the Uthmani Sultanate, declared ibn Wahhab as the other horn of Shaytan from the Najd, the first being Musaiylima the LIAR - NOR do we invent our own personal understandings of Aqeedah as you have shown forth previously. Our Aqaa'id regarding Allah Jalla Jalalu are in conformity with Imam al-Ashari and Imam al-Maturidi.
who said i FOLLOW them? i follow the Rasool(saw) as only He(saw) is worthy of Being Followed and only with him do i find guidance.
but i would like to know yr problems against Ibn Taymeeyyah and Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhaab. i bet they are the typical blind comments made by those who attack him without readin his books(sumthing i used to do).
i think bro u have misunderstood what i mean by the word "salafee" i am not a Salafee who refers to the likes of Ibn Baaz, Salih al Fawzan or Rabi al Madhkali rather i take from the likes of Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Nasir Bin Hamad al Fahd, Ali Ibn Khudyr al Khudyr, Hamud Uqla As Shuaybi. many of which have been imprisoned by the saudis and these ulema are not in favour of the saudi Ulema and niether am i, i simply quoted a ref from a book of Saleem al Hilalee but instead of looking at the Ref Of Suyootee, u began to attack the Book. which is not very wise.
When i say Salafee i simply mean i follow the Salaf us Salih and is anythin wrong with that?? i am not from the group known as "salafee" and i am not associated with the filth of that group.
you said** "keep believing that Muhammad ibn Abd' al-Wahhab an-Najdi at-Tamimi (la'natullahi alaiyh) was the Mujaddid of his century...how sickening that Salafite sect followers actually believe that about a man who said Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala literally descends down the seven heavens, among other lies about Allah (swt), I suggest that you make istigfhar because you praised ibn Wahhab in your previous post mr. Salafi**
show me proof he said that as Allaah(swt) said in the Qur'aan
*"Produce your proof if you are truthful." (Al-Baqarah 2:111) *
i wanna see proof from his books that her lied abot Allaah(swt) and not from the scholars u blindly follow. and if you do not do it then make not YOU ARE BLIND!
you said
"Also, it is you who have obviously taken my words out of context. The praying in congregation of 20 rakats is exactly the point as Brother Ahmed G has pointed out to you already, that even though Sayyidina Rasul-Allah (Sal' Allahu alaiyhi wa ala alihi wa sallam) did NOT pray 20 rakat Salatul Tarawih in Congregation and rather prayed them separately individually, not in regards to the five daily prayers, read properly next time. It is that he (saws) did not pray Salatul Tarawih in congregation at 20 rakat, that is where the practice of Sayyidina Umar al-Faruf (ra), is the minimum to be followed and is a SUNNAH! Because whatever the Ashab al-Kiram (ra'um) implemented after Sayyidina Rasul-Allah (saws), then that TOO is the SUNNAH! Whether you like that fact or not, it is a fact as he (saws) said it so there is no room for denial."
How did i take them. i read it properly and responded to how you put it.
you said "My second question to you is, why are you telling "smooth_guy" that prophet (saws) performed tarawih during his life too, why don't you clarify the subject at hand and inform the brother that prophet (saws) performed tarawih first of all, not in congregation but rather at home"
and i replied to that! so dont tell me that i took yr words out of context! and yes i do know we follow the Sunnah of the Rightly guided Khalifs and i do as i pray 20 Rakats.
you are the one who took my words out opf context when you said
"Be careful in your weighing of the Ahadith to Qur'an by saying that Bukhari and Muslim are the second most authentic book after Qur'an????? Are you out of YOUR MIND? You talk as if the Qur'an is not 100 percent authentic...Ya Rabbi, what is in your mind fellow? Your words are a clear indication of your lack of respect for even the Qur'an al-Karim, let alone your obstentation from appreciating the high praise that celebrators of Mawlud have for Rasul-Allah, alaiyhis-salaatu was-salaam."
you see You have just accused me of kufr! I said AFTER the Qur'aan not "along with the qur'aan". i Bleive the Qur'aan is a Miracle so dnt put words into my mouth bro. but to elaborate. after the Qur'aan if we wanna know how typ pray, do wudhu, eat, sleep where do we go to?? its the set of hadeeths collections isnt it?? and of them all saheed muslim and Bukharee are the Most authentic.
Let me ask you. is a weak hadeeth accepted when it comes to Aqeedah??
let me know insha'Allaah.
you can give me the sayings of Ulema but let me ask you also if i dnt wanna celebrate bcos of the simnple reason that The Rasool(saw) our guidance and The Sahabah did not celebrate it am i wrong??
you said "yes btw Mr. Faisal al-Salafi, I did some looking up on the history of your reknowned and faithful teacher, Saleem al-Hilaalee, and for the information of all those Sunni and Shi'a Muslims present here for that matter, be forewarned, that;
Saleem al-Hilaalee was one of al-Albani's foremost students who succeeded al-Albani, who declared ascribed a body, or human form to Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala. But it doesn't stop there, I found out even more disturbing information....
A book entitled, The Blind Following of Madhhabs, written by so called Shaykh al-Khadjnadee, was edited by a one follower of al-Albani, the Salafi Khwarajite, Saleem al-Hilaalee. In this book, al-Khadjnadee tries miserably and pointlessly to refute the practice of "TAQLID." And this is due partly because of the MIS-TRANSLATION of the book by one SALEEM AL-HILAALEE, the very "SHAYKH" whom Faisal al-Salafi in this thread continues to reference from. "
since when was a teacher of mine?? iv never met him nor do i know what he looks like. can you also show me proof that he decalered Allaah to be a Body please.
aftyer alllll that u said im a Khawaarij. do you even know what KHawaarij are?? they declare Takfir on people on the account of Minor Sins, so are you saying i declare Takfir on people for doing minor sins??
** and they will kill the Muslims, and will not fight the mushrikeen, and they will leave the deen like the arrow from the bow. If I meet them I will kill them the way the ‘Aad were killed.” [Bukhari and Muslim]**
you can say that abt the saudis if you want as i am not with them but me sonny jim! No way Jose!
so Basically bro could you comment on the following...
-where you said the Rasool(saw) prayted alone and not in Jamaa'ah and the evidence i have shown
-the hadeeth that yr friend Ahmad G Quoted out of context and the Full Hadeeth that i quoted
-Show me proof that Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahhaab lied abt Allaah(swt)
-Show me proof Albani said Allaah(swt) has a Body
-What do you have to say abt the scholars i mentioned such as **Abu Muhammad Al Maqdisi, Nasir Bin Hamad al Fahd, Ali Ibn Khudyr al Khudyr, Hamud Uqla As Shuaybi etc **who are enemies of the fake saudi scholars
you said more things abt il leave you to answer these first. i await your reply
*Wa Salla Allaahu ‘Ala Nabiyyina Muhammad wa ‘ala Aalihi Wa Sahbihi Wa Sallam *
Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)
It's so hilarious you accuse me of not answering to your replies when point by point I did in my last post, when are you going to stop defending yourself and start defending the truth instead?
Look at the last hadith you used, of as an arrow passes through its quarry?? That is referring to Khawarij and their descendants, the plain fact is Mr. Salafi that you CANNOT deny, is that YOU are quoting Khawarij scholars like Saleem al-Hilaalee and you at the end of your post, once again DEFEND al-Albani, the foremost deviant from Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah in current times, who spread the most amount of fitnah and spread lies about Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala.
It is quite obvious you did not read my post at all, or else you would have already found my reference to al-Albani's associating a jism to and body to Allah azza wa jaal.
Here it is again so that you don't miss it this time:
**
The Wahabi Corporalism and the ‘Trotting of God’**
Al*Albani's Al*Fetawi, page 506:
Q. Do you prove attribute of trotting to Allah, the Exalted?
A. Like coming and descending, trotting is an attribute that we lack a base for denying.
**
Al*Albani's Al*Fetawi, page 344:**
**Q. **What is Ahlus*Sunna's attitude from attribute of the ear ascribed to Allah?
A. They do neither prove nor deny. They prove only what is asserted by texts, without adaptation. Followers of the worthy ancestors are freed from such an adaptation. This means they are freed from anthropomorphism since they opted for promoting God against unfitting descriptions. Eye is one of His attributes that is fitting His magnificence and glory.**
He is openly claiming in his Fatawi that Allah subhanahu wa ta 'ala has a JISM! A BODY!!
Please...run away, far far away before you come back here and try to defend al-Albani. You follow deviators from the path of Ahl' as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah regardless of whether you say you don't follow Saleem al-Hilaalee, because you quoted him like crazy to defend yourself and your personal interpretation of bid'ah, and furthermore you praised ibn Wahhab in your previous posts, and now you are asking me to provide you proof of the shirk or al-Albani. Enuff said, you can post all you want, but keep it stuck in your head, when you reference ahadith from khawarij sources in order to back up your points, whether it is ahadith or qur'an, you are promoting fitnah because of misinterpretations of Islamic texts by them, and then on top of that you are using their sources in order to deny to validity of celebrating Mawlid un-Nabi...that was your very first mistake and this is why your promotion of khawarij scholars is being exposed for its reality - they are anthropomorphists.
Ya Nabi Salamu Alaiyka,
Ya Rasul Salaamu Alaiyka,
Ya Habib Salaamu Alaiyka,
Salawatullah Alaiyka.**
Re: Milad/Mawlid, celebrating the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW)! (merged)
I believe it's time I lock this thread and the remainder of it's like. I'm sure the two sides must be done sharing their views and there's no reason why further bickering should be continued.