milaad

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i know we wont go any where with that but i gave u something to think about. We Muslims follow and obey prophet s.a.w coz he did and say everything on ALLAH's command which isnt true for Sahaba's, If Leader was already picked then why did great sahaba's of Prophet s.a.w miss funeral of Prophet s.a.w.

I remember reading a hadith in my recent past, where a sahabi commited Sucide i will try to find the source if u want. Point is if following shabas is something we shld do then leaving prophet s.a.w alone in war is sunnat of some sahaba too, which is against Quran.

Its shame that muslims call praising Prophet s.a.w Bidda !

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Its a logical definition and you dont have to be Hanafi to understand this, just like you dont have to be a Jewish German to agree with Einstein.

for you second point, re read the definition. There is a need to define what is biddat, and that need was not there during Prophet's time so defining biddat is not a biddat itself

third thing is, as KKF said, now we are having argument just for the sake of it so lets finish it right here.

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You are worng here. Its a shame that some Muslims think that Milad is the only way to praise Prophet. Whatever happened to follow sunnat, doing sunnat namaz, having a beard. No off course that is not required, but praising prophet through milad is the only way of showing respect, right!

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The day u see someone say... "Keeping Beared is Biddat, or Praying is Biddat"..... is the day u will be eligible to make this comment !!! Milad is not the only way to Praise Prophet s.a.w but it is one of the ways to Remember the Prophert s.a.w who taught us islam. Today the CEO's of same islam consider praising Same Prophet s.a.w biddat, NOW THATS SHAME !!!

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I don't think remembering the Prophet on his birthday [which again is something the Prophet has advised us against], then imagining he is standing among us [again, very questionable] and reciting some naat that contain words of shirk [when you bring nabee pak sallalahualahiwasallam to the level of Allah swt, again something we were asked to refrain from], then what is the point of 40 ladies gathering together and doing a combination of exactly what we've been asked to not do. What is the point?

We can remember and praise huzoor [saw] by following his sunnah.

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No niks you are wrong. Lets all stand up for Prophet (defying the hadees where prophet asked Sahaba never to standup in his presence to show respect to him), reciting naat in loud voice (defying the rule of Islam that no one should speak in loud voice in the presence of Prophet) and instead of reciting Durrod-e-Ibrahimi, recite another form of durood (that is never proven by any hadees) to show respect to Prophet.

Yup.

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Rnt u two husband and wife, excuse me if am wrong.

Didnt Prophet s.a.w stood up to show respect to his daughter ? if Prophet s.a.w is doing it to show respect, then how is it wrong if Muslims adopt same act to show respect to Prophet s.a.w . Birthday part I have heared its wrong, but i am gona back to this !

in the end its all about intentions.

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Prophet also stood up to show respect to a jew's funeral. Maybe standing in a mehfil is only the shaan of Prophet that is why he stood up for Fatima (RA). How does that prove that we do the same when he clearly asked sahaba not to do that?

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Oh crap!!! You mean me using a toothbrush instead of a miswak will send me to hell?

:'(

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Good comparison bro. Toothbrush vs Milad .. now we are talking religion.

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You guys would rather argue about Milad's being a biddat or not when there are people blowing themselves up in the name of Islam!! NICE

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Standing and praying 20 rakat Taraweeh in congregation is a biddah.

Confirmed, authentic biddah.

Sunni Muslims love to follow it because our masters Arbi people follow this biddah.

So it is called ‘good biddat’ because our arbi masters approved it.

on the other hand Mehfil e Milaad is also a biddah. We we 2nd grade muslim ( Non-Arbi ) can not contain our love and devotion for Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) in dust laden book and closed hearts. We express in loud voice with praise.

Now this one is called bad biddah becasue our arbi masters dont approve it.

Conclusion : we are bad muslims. :frowning:

Bad toad, bad toad :nono:

Muhabbat our jang main sab jaiz hota hai
*
Moti samajh ke shaan e kareemi ne chun leye
Qatrey ju they merey Arq-e- Infa’al ke*

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Can you prove Milad kind of activities by Hazrat Omer (RZA)? He started 20 rakat Taraweeh in congregation… now please be specific with yes or no…

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Hazrat Umar(ra) had no authority to amend religion Islam, Period.

He never did this either. He offered an optional practice which he considered better in his personal opinion.

Sunni muslims follow it like it is a compulsory part of worship like fasting.

Why ?

Who projected this bidah ?? Arbi sunni muslims.

Praise and poetry in praise of Prophet Muhammd (pbuh) was present during his time. He never forbid this.

Milaad was not practiced during the time of prophet and khulafa.

We started it, yes we 2nd grade Ajmi muslims started this tradition and we follow it. 1 st grade muslims reject it.

Karlo ju karna hai :chai:

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^^ I have yet to meet a sunni muslim who think it is compulsory practice, yes there are muslims belong to sunni fiqah who believe the more they pray during ramadan the more they'll earn the good deeds, and for that reason, many pray in Jama'aa during the last ten days at night ( after midnight)...

Hazrat Omer (RZA) was Student of Prophet (SAAW), got trained by Him (SAAW) for 20 odd years, His (RZA) wisdom (along with other Sahaba (RZA)) is not questionable, as if you consider it wrong, then you need to come up with with solid references from Quran and Hadees to do so..

Tarweeh was in Practice during the Life of Prophet (SAAW)..

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We started it, yes we 2nd grade Ajmi muslims started this tradition and we follow it. 1 st grade muslims reject it.
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if this is your best defense / argument then let the Allah be the judge of it as Prophet (SAW) had a practice of having a Fast on what it is called Monday today, ever heard of it or tried to follow it.. i guess it is little hard to follow Sunnah then practice the party things...

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I have yet to see or hear that there was break for two days of traweeh 20 rakat congregation Practice in ramzan because Imam was busy/out of city and asked people should do it individually.

A practice is a practice.

I have yet to see or hear that in khana kaba they changed the traweeh 20 rakat basket to 16/12 rakat basket or 24 rakat basket because there was no such compulsion to keep it 20 rakat in this regard, in this religion Islam ?

A practice is a practice is a practice.

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Hazrat Omer (RZA) was Student of Prophet (SAAW), got trained by Him (SAAW) for 20 odd years, His (RZA) wisdom (along with other Sahaba (RZA)) is not questionable, as if you consider it wrong, then you need to come up with with solid references from Quran and Hadees to do so..
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Oh my Lord.

He was questioned and considered answerable by common folks. He was a great man.
I am not questioning his ruling, he was questioned and proven wrong during his time on his face and he accepted it and corrected him self.

There are tons of stories in authentic history books of Islam. You can read biography Farooq-e-Azam by Allama Shibli nomani and more.

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it is reported that Umar declared in public:

"Anyone who pays more for their dowry than what the Prophet used to pay, will put the excess amount in the Public Treasury."

A woman from the Quraish came to him and said:

"O commander of the Believers, which have more right to be followed, the Book of Allah [the Qur'an] or your statement?""

He answered:

"The Book of Allah."

So she told him,

"You have just prohibited the people from giving the excess amount from the dowry, but Allah Taalah has revealed in His Book, 'And if you have given them a great amount of gold as dower, take not the least bit of it back'(Qur'an 4:20)."

Therefore Umar said a few times:

"The Woman is correct and Umar is mistaken."
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I think you have not noticed, there are 2 Imams who lead the taraweeh prayer in Khana Kaába and no one is obliged to pray 20 ... yet it is better to earn as many good deeds as possible as it is month of ramadan and who knows if the man would see the next ...

As for Questioning, no one Including Hazrat Ali (RZA) questioned him on the taraween Issue??? or did they.... if all Sahaba (RZA) at that time was OK with the practice, then why it is issue now??? get the point??? and i still have to understand the comparison between Taraweeh and Milad

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I do not have any issue with traweeh 20 rakat congregation either, infact I like it.

But the fact remains the same. It is a biddah. Just like milad.

The point is that Traweeh basics and milaad basics both were present during the time of prophet(pbuh). Both were modified to certain extents later on. Former one was done by Arbi Folks and later one was done by non-arbi fellows.

Thats why Arbi folks propagate the first one as good innovation and 2nd one as bad innovation. Simple

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Really milad isnot allowed in islam? and whats the urdu word for biddah? can someone give a more easy explanation for this word?

when we used to go to milad. this is how the format used to be.

"read the whole quran. read hamds and naats altogether. one person used to pray for everyone and all the others used to say ameen at the end of each prayer and then food etc."

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what harm does it make to you - if the fella living next door believes on it ?

does it make you a better muslim if you dont follow this practice ? or does it make him a lesser muslim if he follows it ?

The real shame is , we allow and bear alot by the hands of Non Muslim in the account of difference of opinion but we arent ready to give a fellow muslim the same benefit .

I tend to agree with code Red on this issue !

The only issue I have is with the commercialization of such practices