Salaam everyone I want every ones opinion here please why some muslims are against milaad and they say its bidaah?
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Because they dont find any roots of such act in the life of Prophet (S.A.W) & in the time of Khilafat e rashida (The only AUTHENTIC sources to take something as Deen).
although Sahaba (R.A) used to recite poetry in the praise of Prophet (S.A.W), one should not confuse the praising poetry with Today's so called Milaads.
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**i believe meelaad is a bid'a [innovations] and all bid'a are condemned in Islam. anyone who creats a bid'a or follows it are given ample warnings of harsh punishments [saKht sazaa kii va'eedeN aayii haiN]. Allah had completed the deen for us. Prophet [s.a.w.s] said in his last sermon that the audience be witness that he had fulfilled his obligation and passed on the deen to ummat in it's entirety and that he had completed his mission. anything added to the deen after that is considered bid'a of extreme nature. meelaad is one of them, qabr parasti is another, extremism is yet another.
May Allah save us from bid'aat and make the deen pure for us [Khaalis deen] and help us walk on the siraat ul mustaqeem...aameen!
u can individually send as much salaam as u wish...do it all day and all thru the night. the problem comes when people do it in congregation and especially when they do it right after the namaaz baa jamaa'at in masaajid, thus making it a part of the namaaz.
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^nicely elobrated, Sum Ameen.
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YEP ,,,,,,,,Allah had completed the deen for us. Prophet [s.a.w.s] said in his last sermon that the audience be witness that he had fulfilled his obligation and passed on the deen to ummat in it's entirety and that he had completed his mission. anything added to the deen after that is considered bid'a .....anything added to deen after this event is biddah haram... i.e Attending Prophet s.a.w Funeral. Compling Quran, Translating Quran, Makin Caliphs.... its all Bidah Haram !!
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The definition of Bidda is pretty simple.
If there were means and need available, in the times of Prophet :SAW2: and later in the time of Sahaba, for an act to be performed - and prophet and sahaba never performed that act - then performance of that act now would be a biddat.
Milad fits that definition of biddat
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Then why is it so widely practiced in India and Pakistan?
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Then why is it so widely practiced in India and Pakistan?
because our people love to learn religion from odd sources and adopt them without questioning.
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because our people love to learn religion from odd sources and adopt them without questioning.
one word...gumraahii...ilm e deen kaa foqdaan!
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YEP ,,,,,,,,Allah had completed the deen for us. Prophet [s.a.w.s] said in his last sermon that the audience be witness that he had fulfilled his obligation and passed on the deen to ummat in it's entirety and that he had completed his mission. anything added to the deen after that is considered bid'a .....anything added to deen after this event is biddah haram... i.e Attending Prophet s.a.w Funeral. Compling Quran, Translating Quran, Makin Caliphs.... its all Bidah Haram !!
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it seems to me that u do NOT understand what we've been saying or intentionally being sarcastic. read brother TLK's response [reply #6] if u intend to find out the truth.**
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because our people love to learn religion from odd sources and adopt them without questioning.
No! Localisation! These things started to appear when Islam reached non-Arabs in Syria, Iran and Iraq but were stifled in early days.
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No! Localisation!
What do you mean by that Mostar?
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Milad is not limited to India/Pakistan. Its everywhere in the Islamic World in variable form except the hard line Arabs.
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The definition of Bidda is pretty simple.
If there were means and need available, in the times of Prophet :SAW2: and later in the time of Sahaba, for an act to be performed - and prophet and sahaba never performed that act - then performance of that act now would be a biddat.
Milad fits that definition of biddat
I respect your opinion. Though, by that broad definition of Biddat, all six books of hadith collection including Sahih Muslim and sahih Bukhari, fall into the category of Biddat (innovation).
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** it seems to me that u do NOT understand what we've been saying or intentionally being sarcastic. read brother TLK's response [reply #6] if u intend to find out the truth.**
Well My frnd if Prophet s.a.w have stated in his last sermon that "the audience be witness that he had fulfilled his obligation and passed on the deen to ummat in it's entirety and that he had completed his mission. anything added to the deen after that is considered bid'a" Then y do we even need to look at sahaba's era. Anything added after that point is biddah.
The definition of Bidda is pretty simple.
If there were means and need available, in the times of Prophet :SAW2: and later in the time of Sahaba, for an act to be performed - and prophet and sahaba never performed that act - then performance of that act now would be a biddat.
Milad fits that definition of biddat
Again y not only times of Prophet s.a.w ? why later in time of Sahaba, wasnt islam complete at times of Prophet s.a.w ? .... the means were available, there was a need of a leader after Prophet s.a.w as Prophet s.a.w knew he wasnt gona stay in this world for long, but if Prophet didnt appoint one, then for rest Appointing a caliph wud be bidah !
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**now, this thread is becoming more like "argument for the sake of argument" [baHs baraaye baHs].
i think i've done my job...whatever i had to say i've already said. i've nothing to add so i'm OUTTA here...take care...Allah Haafiz**
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I respect your opinion. Though, by that broad definition of Biddat, all six books of hadith collection including Sahih Muslim and sahih Bukhari, fall into the category of Biddat (innovation).
Hazrat Abu Bakar compiled about 3000 hadees that he later destroyed with the fear that what if he quoted something wrong. Hazrat Abu Hurraira lived with prophet for many years and recorded every hadess (6000 on his credit), plus remember that i used the word of 'need' in my deifnition and there was no need to compile hadees in book form during the life of prophet.
Again y not only times of Prophet s.a.w ? why later in time of Sahaba, wasnt islam complete at times of Prophet s.a.w ? .... the means were available, there was a need of a leader after Prophet s.a.w as Prophet s.a.w knew he wasnt gona stay in this world for long, but if Prophet didnt appoint one, then for rest Appointing a caliph wud be bidah !
Sahaba; because they lived with prophet so if they were the best followers and role models for all of us. If they did not do anything, there is no need for us to do.
BTW, my argument is going to clash with your basic beleif so I am not going to further argue on Caliphs comment of yours but Prophet did appoint Abu Bakr as the next leader of ummat. When he asked Abu Bakr to lead the prayers during his last times, he indicated that Abu Bakr is going to be the next caliph
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Hazrat Abu Bakar compiled about 3000 hadees that he later destroyed with the fear that what if he quoted something wrong. Hazrat Abu Hurraira lived with prophet for many years and recorded every hadess (6000 on his credit), plus remember that i used the word of 'need' in my deifnition and there was no need to compile hadees in book form during the life of prophet.
I am solely trying to understand your point of view and making clarification in my mind.
Where did this definition of Biddat that you speak of come from?
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I am solely trying to understand your point of view and making clarification in my mind.
Where did this definition of Biddat that you speak of come from?
There is this Hanafi Alim from Karachi. Very well renowned amongst ulemas. His madrasa is in the same are where I grew up. I heard this from his mouth.
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There is this Hanafi Alim from Karachi. Very well renowned amongst ulemas. His madrasa is in the same are where I grew up. I heard this from his mouth.
But my friend/brother, not everyone follows the Aalim that you follow.
Also, if this definition was not present at the time of Prophet Mohammed (saw), is not it an innovation in itself by your defination of Biddat?