Metro Bus Service: Punjab pays Rs5m per day as subsidy

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I don’t think you even read the article which is a shame because it presented interested facts and analysis.

The tossing of word ‘metro’ as a self created start and end of every debate. Before going on about wrist slitting rhetoric of oh I see no difference between PTI and other parties. Can you please provide the overall cost of Peshawar Metro bus and the cost of Lahore/Pindi metro bus, including ridership, extent of network, US$ per kilometer. We can then see what is the “difference” between both projects. Thanks.

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I thought you got control over your nerves, but its a shame that you didn't.

Not interested to address this garbage tone. Thanks

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Ignore the garbage tone and don't even reply to me, but to help prove your own point to the readers and add to their knowledge, can you please provide side by side figures of overall cost of Peshawar Metro bus and the cost of Lahore/Pindi metrol bus, including ridership, extent of network, also US$ per kilometer. Thanks.

I'm asking this very politely, do read the article posted. I know it's long, but it's not that bad.

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**For those claiming that Lahore Metro Bus only covers Ferozpur Road, FYI its just the Green Line of Lahore Transport System.

Others routes of future expansion of BRTS are Red Line, Blue Line and Orange Line and their feasibility study is under process. BTW , Orange Line is for Lahore Metro Train !
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Re: Metro Bus Service: Punjab pays Rs5m per day as subsidy

I was just talking about priorities that was main concern for PTI supporters while criticising Metro in Lahore. Can you please reply to my query that PTI government has taken care of all other priorities before opting for Peshawer Metro?

I don't know the cost of either of Metros (Lahore, Islamabad or Peshawer), I just wanted to know difference of priorities of PTI to that of other political parties?

Re: Metro Bus Service: Punjab pays Rs5m per day as subsidy

What do u expect from anti PTI brigade?

btw In Peshawar its not even a metro bus project

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Did you pay your electricity bill? :hehe:

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Yes I did do u have any problem? :smiley:

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If you don't even know the cost of either Lahore, Pindi and Peshawar Metro, then what is the issue? There is no argument. I would once again suggest that you read the article, it is quite enlightening.

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I was just talking about priorities that was main concern for PTI supporters while criticising Metro in Lahore. Can you please reply to my query that PTI government has taken care of all other priorities before opting for Peshawer Metro?

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Any project that massively exceeds the allocated budget and international cost setting benchmark should not be a priority, especially in countries like Pakistan! This is not nuclear science nor an earth shattering philosophy invented by PTI supporters, this is common sense. If you'd knew the cost of Lahore Metro project, you'd figured that it largely got pilloried for being astonishingly expensive without much explanation. This is a legitimate criticism. Countries spent ages researching, negotiating cost effective reliable deals to save money. And yes, if the Peshawar Bus project is as ridiculously costly as Lahore/Pindi Metro budget then it would be criticised. For ow PTI has to make use of the funds they have allocated for infrastructure and transport development. However, considering Peshawar Bus project was slow to come through, went through the entire study and approval process seems PTI must've had other priorities too, and if they have managed to save money on this, then that would also suggest they have priorities.

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Heres where the facts rear their ugly heads. The green line is the longest route...and was completed in 11 months. And for the rest of the shorter routes are still undergoing feasibility process. Hence the argument that the green line was made in a rush, solely for political reasons, with bad planning. A bit of extra planning, and it would have been a much better, cost effective and beneficial service, which wouldnt be a drain on finances in the form of oversized subsidies.

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I am sure bhookay log are enjoying eating the Metro.

Er....

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kuch kahney k liye hoga in ka pass to boltey na :cobra: haqeeqat ka samnay karna asan kaam naheen hota hay :sunnyboy: ab in mein sey kissi ney metro mein safr bhi nahin kia hoga aor batein sun lo man man key :cb:

daleel thi nah koi hawala tha in k pti k troll k pass
ajeeb makhlooq thay bus ikhtilaf rakhtey they

:sunnyboy:

#no_dalee_bus_mukhalfat](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=no_dalee_bus_mukhalfat)

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masla yeh hey kah in k murshad e pak aqa cocain khan ney metro key mukhalfat kar di hey to pti k sub trolls per farz ho gia hay keh is key mukhalfat karein :cobra:

waisey in logon k sath daleel k sath baat karney key bajay mairi tarh 2 lines likh kar mirch laga dia karo :omg:

#mirch](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=mirch)

Re: Metro Bus Service: Punjab pays Rs5m per day as subsidy

Pakistanis aren't very good at planning generally. But thats an issue that needs to be covered in a more general sense. I suspect one of the reasons the Lahore Metro was done so haphazardly and apparently without a proper plan was indeed politics. The PML-N probably realizes that the more you delay these projects the less likely they are to actually get off the ground. Look at the situation in Karachi for example. The point being, when there is so much opposition, I think they feel its best to get things rolling as soon as they see a window of opportunity, otherwise they will get bogged down with red-tape, dharnas etc etc. Its the nature of politics in Pakistan, that nothing ever gets done if you dont have the strength to muscle things through.

The system needs to be expanded, but it will take time. Have to start somewhere.

Subsidies according to economics 101, should theoretically pay for themselves. Its only been a year or so since the start of this thing. The economic benefits may take time to be visible. Considering the fate of mass transit in Pakistan, I think you should be happy to have gotten this, even if its less then ideal in its formulation.

And a political party that doesn't do something for the sake of politics is not a political party, its a charity. You would have to be naive to assume that the PTI is any less political then the PML. They want to be in power as much as the next guy.

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Fair enough.

About bold part of your comments, what do you mean had priorities and PTI govt was able to save money? Does that mean that tackled all other issues of the province like health, education and IDPs before turning to this Jungla bus project?

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What kind of risible rhetoric is that? Do you know how budgeting words? All governments by default have to allocate funds to infrastructure, regardless of the fact whether different departments have 'tackled' all their problems or not, the infrastructure department has to make use of the funds available to them. KPK government is not going for astronomically expensive infrastructure projects at the expense of neglecting education and health, if anything, they'll be criticized far more ruthlessly than Shahbaz Sharif if they ever do that. Besides, if comparison to all other provinces, KPK allocated the highest percentage of budget to education in their last budget.

Until and unless you actually study the overall cost of all three projects, I think it is completely futile to have any discussion on that. But here it is still, compare the estimated cost of Rs42 billion Pindi Metro project, actual cost of Rs30 billion Lahore Metro with estimated Rs.14 billion for Peshawar Mass transit bus lane, covering the same distance and as many stops as Lahore Metro, and then tell me which of these examples suggest that money saving was a priority? Would you appreciate the cot difference? Considering Peshawar Bus project for now is literally half the cost of Lahore Metro should be enough to ward off the opportunistic cynics and critics who just want to lump the both projects together and criticise them for sake of criticism. Mind you, KPK Gov had the option of going for rapid train service against Rs25 billion (for significantly higher single route fare) with which would've made a better Shahabaz Sharif style PR campaign.

I do believe in responsible budgeting, clever and prioritised spending, cost saving and reliable projects, I certainly don't blindly agree with tunnel mentality saying that no money on transport, roads, culture and infrastructure should be spent until we have tackled all other issues in education and health.

As if IDPs, it is KPK government and the army that's largely carrying all their burden and doing best of their abilities. IDPs fall under Federal Domain, you tell me how much money Nawaz Sharif's government has released for IDPs? Did they inform the provincial gov to prepare for IDPs? Did they ask KPK to reserve budget for IDPs? The KPK CM finds out about operation on TV? Since the loathsome leader of PPP party who sheds crocodile tears on IDPs, tell me how much fund and strategic support Sindh government has offered to the IDPs. These bigoted provincial governments even straight up refused to allow entry to IDPs - who aren't even refugees - in their provinces, people who actually supported such awful discrimination should be the last people on earth pretending to show any care for IDPs. Where were they oh this is against the constitution cries then?

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so why that fuss was created by PTI supporters when PMLN allocated funds for Metro leaving other priorities?

and I'm least bothered to go through long posts blaming other provinces and Federal Budget for all the problems in any province. This is tested and tried method for face saving.

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Again, running away from debate, cannot come up with the logical coherent counter argument and not even acknowledging facts. You are simply struggling comprehend that both Lahore and Pindi Metro projects are extremely expensive projects (with no proper audit in place) hence they attracted so much criticism, not because people didn't like seeing big busses on the road. It seems you are clearly not interested on the merit of either Lahore or Peshawar bus service, but just want to have a feel good online Jihad against PTI supporters for saying this and that. This is all about your personal grudge and grievance with bunch of PTI supporters over 'haan haan kaha tou kaha kyoon" claptrap. Really? That's it? Well then that's hardly a genuine issue or concern. Carry on if it's all about point scoring against PTI supporters.

As with so called "blaming other province for issue of other province". Sheer ignorance. It is a fact that racist Sindh government took the unconstitutional step and banned IDPs from entering their province, the bigots who supported this move now shouldn't really bother to pretend to care about IDPs. All provinces should equally take care of the IDPs in one way or another, sorry if it offends you. Rest assured, these long post are not only for you. if you can't read and understand them, it's hardly end of the world.

It is a fact that FATA comes under Federal Domain, if the army is and KPK Gov are doing their bit, then where is Nawaz Sharif's government's efforts? This is not blame game, this is called seeking accountability.

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Things will make sense if you dont compare KPK with Punjab. PTI got hold of KPK just 1.5 years ago. KPK has had long existing problems Punjab has never had, like afghan refugees, FATA next door and terrorism....and then some that punjab has too....eg, drugs, corruption and bad governance. After all this, there are certain things you cant help give credit to PTI govt for. Health, education and law and order have shown marked improvements, and corruption has gone down. Infrastructure projects are being built based on necessity, not political ambitions.

The Lahore metro green line was built in the last year of previous govt, solely for votes. All other lines are going through 'feasibility studies' even after 18 months. I believe the next Lahore metro route is planned for the last year of this term,again timed for elections.

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We will see when Peshawer Metro is completed and compare with the missed priorities of KPK Government.

I don’t need to wage Jihad on those, who have dual standards just because of political affiliations. Carry on with your biased agenda. I’m neither representative of Sindh Government nor PPP that you are telling me that I don’t need to care / talk about IDPs.

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What has improved in KP? Please elaborate.

Also prove why Lahore Metro was not needed and Peshawer Metro is most needed project?