[Merged] We are all Danes now, Check this editorial

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http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/jeffjacoby/2006/02/06/185297.html

We are all Danes now

Feb 6, 2006
by Jeff Jacoby ( bio | archive | contact )

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Hindus consider it sacrilegious to eat meat from cows, so when a Danish supermarket ran a sale on beef and veal last fall, Hindus everywhere reacted with outrage. India recalled its ambassador to Copenhagen, and Danish flags were burned in Calcutta, Bombay, and Delhi. A Hindu mob in Sri Lanka severely beat two employees of a Danish-owned firm, and demonstrators in Nepal chanted: ''War on Denmark! Death to Denmark!"In many places, shops selling Dansk china or Lego toys were attacked by rioters, and two Danish embassies were firebombed.
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It didn’t happen, of course. Hindus may consider it odious to use cows as food, but they do not resort to boycotts, threats, and violence when non-Hindus eat hamburger or steak. They do not demand that everyone abide by the strictures of Hinduism and avoid words and deeds that Hindus might find upsetting. The same is true of Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Mormons: They don’t lash out in violence when their religious sensibilities are offended. They certainly don’t expect their beliefs to be immune from criticism, mockery, or dissent.

But radical Muslims do.

The current uproar over cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed published in a Danish newspaper illustrates yet again the fascist intolerance that is at the heart of radical Islam. Jyllands-Posten, Denmark’s largest daily, commissioned the cartoons to make a point about freedom of speech. It was protesting the climate of intimidation that had made it impossible for a Danish author to find an illustrator for his children’s book about Mohammed. Muslims regard any depiction of the prophet as sacrilegious, and no artist would agree to illustrate the book for fear of being harmed by Muslim extremists. Appalled by this self-censorship, Jyllands-Posten invited Danish artists to submit drawings of Mohammed, and published the 12 it received.

Most of the pictures are tame to the point of dullness, especially compared to the biting editorial cartoons that routinely appear in US and European newspapers. A few of them link Mohammed to Islamist terrorism – one depicts him with a bomb in his turban, while a second shows him in Heaven, pleading with newly arrived suicide terrorists: ''Stop, stop! We have run out of virgins!" Others focus on the threat to free speech: In one, a sweating artist sits at his drawing board, nervously sketching Mohammed, while glancing over his shoulder to make sure he’s not being watched. Some make no point at all – one simply portrays a man walking with his donkey in the desert.

That anything so mild could trigger a reaction so crazed – riots, death threats, kidnappings, flag-burnings – speaks volumes about the chasm that separates the values of the civilized world from those in too much of the Islamic world. Freedom of the press, the marketplace of ideas, the right to skewer sacred cows, the ability to disagree with what you say while firmly defending your right to say it: Militant Islam knows none of this. And if the jihadis get their way, it will be swept aside everywhere by the censorship and intolerance of sharia.

Here and there, some brave Muslim voices have cried out against the book-burners. The Jordanian newspaper Shihan published three of the cartoons. ''Muslims of the world, be reasonable," implored Shihan’s editor, Jihad al-Momani, in an editorial. ''What brings more prejudice against Islam – these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?" But within hours Momani was out of a job, fired by the paper’s owners after the Jordanian government threatened legal action.

He wasn’t the only editor sacked last week. In Paris, Jacques LeFranc of the daily France Soir was also fired after running the Mohammed cartoons. The paper’s owner, an Egyptian Copt named Raymond Lakah, issued a craven and Orwellian statement expressing “regrets to the Muslim community” and offering LeFranc’s head as a gesture of ''respect for the intimate beliefs and convictions of every individual." But the France Soir staff defended their decision to publish the drawings in a stalwart editorial. ''The best way to fight against censorship is to prevent censorship from happening," they wrote. ''A fundamental principle guaranteeing democracy and secular society is under threat. To say nothing is to retreat."

Across the continent, nearly two dozen other newspapers have joined in defending that principle. While Islamist clerics proclaim an ''international day of anger" or declare that ''the war has begun," leading publications in Norway, France, Italy, Spain, Holland, Germany, Switzerland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic have reprinted the Danish cartoons. But there has been no comparable show of backbone in America, where (as of Friday) only the New York Sun has had the fortitude to the run some of the drawings.

Make no mistake: This story is not going away, and neither is the Islamofascist threat. The freedom of speech we take for granted is under attack, and it will vanish if it is not bravely defended. Today the censors may be coming for some unfunny Mohammed cartoons, but tomorrow it is your words and ideas they will silence. Like it or not, we are all Danes now.

Jeff Jacoby is an Op-Ed writer for the Boston Globe, a radio political commentator, and a contributing columnist for Townhall.com.

Re: We are all Danes now, Check this editorial

No, we are not all Danes now...

Not everyone is infringing upon the sacred personalities of others...Not everyone is mocking the religion of others...Not everyone is so ignorant that they do not understand that Muslims do not like depictions of their Prophets (PBUT)...Not everyone is going around deliberately insulting the beliefs of others...Not everone is pleased with these cartoons...Not everyone is supporting this as 'freedom of expression'...

And no, Hindus, though believing that the cow is their god, also realize that it is the right of every other person who doesn't believe in their faith, to eat it...They realize others eat and consume cows because it is considered food by millions and millions of people...

To equate the consumption of cows to the hate filled mockery of a religion gives you a little insight into this author and his background:HE IS AN IGNORANT AND BIGOTED AMERICAN...

As if we already don't have have enough of them on this board...

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Talk about duplicity. You can speak about Hindus having to "realize" and not impose their beliefs on you, while you insist that everyone must "respect" your prophet and your beliefs. Freedom of expression is as dear to me as your prophet is to you.
As for bigoted Americans, funny how such a tolerant Muslim as yourself can live amongst these scoundrels.

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Insisting that your religion be respected is not the same as imposing your beliefs on someone. There's a difference. Learn to seperate two very different things...

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Eating an object of worship doesn't qualify, but a cartoon representation does? The only difference is the interpretation of what qualifies as respect and as imposition of beliefs on others.

The classification of IGNORANT AND BIGOTED is also is up for interpretation.

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Yes, there is a difference. What you call respecting your religion is commonly called subjugation to your beliefs. I don't believe in the devinity of your prophet, so why should I have to abide by rules that dictate his divinity.
Just look at the reaction of the world. This idiotic little episode, which should have been nothing more that a short lived annoyance, has now been catapulted into the realm of freedom. The over reaction of the Muslims world has done nothing but verify the depictions in the cartoon.
Just as you are saying, freedom or not somethings are off limits. Similarly a hindu can say, food or not somethings are off limits. However, you don't hear hindus doing that. They are not burning buildings. As a matter of fact, in the Indian state of Kerala beef is readily available.

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Banners at protest in Britian by extremist Muslims:

"Europe, you'll come crawling when mujahideen come roaring"
"Behead those who insult Islam"
"Europe you will pay - fantastic 4 are on their way". (refrence to the 4 Muslim train bombers)

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townhall.com is a racist anti-muslim anti-immigrant repubican neocon neo-nazi website. THey are in the league with that website worldnetdaily.

I wouldn't care what these republican evangelical bas-tards think.

Only the racist neo-nazis are danes now !!!!!

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so thats one view,plz read this as well.i will make those points in bold[nearly all] so u may know wat i am stressing on.

Danish cartoons: provocative and perverse

By Robert Fisk

SO now it’s cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). Ambassadors are withdrawn from Denmark, the Saudis and the Syrians complain, Gulf nations clear their shelves of Danish produce, Gaza gunmen threaten the European Union and foreign journalists.

In Denmark, Fleming Rose, the ‘culture’ editor of the pip-squeak newspaper which published these silly cartoons — last September, for heaven’s sake — announces that we are witnessing a “clash of civilizations” between secular western democracies and Islamic societies. This does prove, I suppose, that Danish journalists follow in the true tradition of Hans Christian Anderson. Oh lordy, lordy. What we’re witnessing is the childishness of civilizations.

So let’s start off with the Department of Home Truths. This is not an issue of secularism versus Islam. For Muslims, the Prophet is the man who received divine words directly from God. We see our saints and prophets as faintly historical figures, at odds with our high-tech human rights and freedoms, almost caricatures of themselves. The fact is that Muslims live their religion. We do not. They have kept their faith through innumerable historical vicissitudes. We have lost our faith ever since Matthew Arnold wrote about the sea’s “long withdrawing roar.” That’s why we talk about ‘the West versus Islam’ rather than ‘Christians versus Islam’ — because there aren’t an awful lot of Christians left in Europe. There is no way we can get round this by setting up all the other world religions and asking why we are not allowed to make fun of the Prophet.
[KK=its amazing howRobert Fisk, Middle East correspondent for the British Independent can see from our hurt point of view while some muslims have asked that we consider the culturul norms of the americans in previous posts and be understanding.]

*** Besides, we can exercise our own hypocrisy over religious feelings. I happen to remember how more than a decade ago, a film called the Last Temptation of Christ showed Jesus making love to a woman. In Paris, someone set fire to the cinema showing the movie, killing a young Frenchman. I also happen to remember a major US university which invited me to give a lecture three years ago. I did. It was entitled. “September 11, 2001: ask who did it but, for God’s sake, don’t ask why.” When I arrived, I found that the university authorities had deleted the phrase “for God’s sake” because “we didn’t want to offend certain sensibilities. Ah-ha, so we have ‘sensibilities’ too.***

In other words, while we claim that Muslims must be good secularists when it comes to free speech — or cheap cartoons — we can worry about adherents to our own precious religion just as much. I also enjoyed the pompous claims of European statesmen that they cannot control free speech or newspapers. This is also nonsense. Had that cartoon of the Prophet shown instead a chief rabbi with a bomb-shaped hat, we would have had “anti-semitism” screamed into our ears — and rightly so — just as we often hear the Israelis complain about anti-semitic cartoons in Egyptian newspapers.

**[KK=is this taking sides or being afraid or having a stick up the a$$]

** *** Furthermore, in some European nations — France is one, Germany and Austria are among the others — it is forbidden by law to deny acts of genocide. In France, for example, it is illegal to say that the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Holocaust did not happen (wait for Turkey’s problems over the latter if it ever gets into the EU). So it is in fact impermissible to make certain statements in European nations.***

[KK= this hypocritical attitude is for all to see ,what does it mean anyways?wat has to be done to take our values seriously?]

I’m still uncertain whether these laws attain their objectives: however much you may prescribe Holocaust denial, anti-semites will always try to find a way round.

The point, however, is that we can hardly exercise our political restraints or laws to prevent anti-semitic cartoons or Holocaust deniers and then start screaming about secularism when we find that Muslims object to our provocative and insulting image of the Prophet.

*** For many Muslims, the ‘Islamic’ reaction to this whole squalid affair is an embarrassment. There is perfectly good reason to believe that Muslims would like to see some element of reform introduced to their religion.*

[KK**=most muslims wud agree but wat kinda response do people expect wen we r kicked where it hurts most and then after seeing the enraged reaction the cartoons r printed again ie kicked again?]

If this cartoon had advanced the cause of those who want to debate this issue — if it allowed for a serious dialogue and no one would have minded. But it was clearly intended to be provocative. It was so outrageous that it only caused reaction. And this is not a great time to heat up the old Samuel Huntington garbage about a ‘clash of civilizations’. Iran now has a clerical government again. So, to all intents and purposes, does Iraq (which was not supposed to end up with a democratically elected clerical administration, but that’s what happens when you topple dictators).

In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood won 20 per cent of the seats in the recent parliamentary elections. Now we have Hamas in charge of ‘Palestine’. There’s a message here, isn’t there? That America’s policies and ‘regime change’ and ‘democracy’ in the Middle East — are not achieving their ends. These millions of voters were preferring Islam to the corrupt regimes which we imposed on them. For the Danish cartoon to be dumped on top of this fire is dangerous indeed.

*** In any event, it’s not about whether the Prophet should be pictured. The Quran does not forbid images of the Prophet even though millions of Muslims do. The problem is that these cartoons portrayed Islam as a violent religion. It is not. Or do we want to make it so?*** *—(c) The Independent
http://www.dawn.com/2006/02/05/ed.htm#4
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It's called freedom of expression...And I think if hurting others in one way or another are concerned, then 9/11 and 7/7 were also freedom of expression...

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JUST ANOTHER ......

Well i have some HINDU friends and many of my colleagues at office are hindus but actually the COW issue is a concern just for some of them ..like for some they say we dont eat BEEF "we are 100% NON-VEG" but they dont consider it as sumthn like blasphemous even if sum1 's eatin in frnt of 'em,ive been with sum to mcdonalds , ive been out with many of 'em as well n i was like ..."hai U eatin burgers !!" n they were like kabhi kabhi chalta hai, no hard n fast conditions ..actually for some extremists it might be sacreliious but for most of 'em im sure its not but still almost all but not evry hindu keeps himself away frm it..maybe cos hinduism is divided into various groups and they have their exceptions in some...

However, Yes, for Muslims all around the world be it a Sunni Muslim or be it a Shia muslim be it any muslim irrespective of the fact where ever he is, IT IS CONSIDERED AS A BLASPHEMOUS ACT ..and i guarantee tht you wont find any muslim in the whole wide world sayin regarding this act tht "ahh yeah ok its, not a big deal you can carry on with sum more of it"...NO ..NO WAY and if there is a person who says so, then according to Islam he's NOT A MUSLIM.

al least we arent danes yet and we dont want to even...

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You support the right to commit acts of terror?

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LOL, now we have the holier-than-thou crew claiming that threatening death has the same protection as all other forms of expression. You would think that in the time spent suckling off the US a person would become more educated on what freedom means.

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Again. You do nothing but stipulate to the depiction in the cartoon. Equating terrorism and killings with expression. So, everyone can extrapolate that Muslim reaction to everything is bombing and killing?

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In response to my post, you have above three typical Americanist response...

The first one is trying to lure me into an argument which has nothing to do with my post...

The second is resorting to conscientious pressure to educate me on freedom...

The third now, very academically, draws a line between freedom of expression and killings...Why draw the line here? Why not also include 9/11 and 7/7 as freedom of expressions? Both these cartoons and 9/11 were meant to hurt in some way by someone...

This mentality is on par with the original article posted...

No remorse for a wrong committed in fact they are defending it...Why? Because it was against the Muslims...

I remember the outrage and indignation many felt when CNN deliberately ran fake news of Palestinians celebrating 9/11...But oops! They were Muslims...They can't have rights of expressions...

Like I said...Ignorant and bigoted...

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How ignorant can one be? If not ignorant then dishonest, bigoted or blinded? Take your pick.

Equating 'killing others' to 'freedom of expression' is even more cartoonish and outlandish than these controversial caricatures.

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And equating licentious, discriminatory, stereotyping, hate mongering, playing on the feelings of others, mocking the religious beliefs of others cartoons to freedom of expression isn't?

Oh...Of course it is...As long as Muslims are the target of abuse, anything goes, but when Muslims do something, you all start screaming rights, rights, rights, right?

Bigots...

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Lajawab your logic of trying to tie the events of terror attacks and a **cartoon **is bafflling. Equating hurting someones feelings with killing someone is sick and disgusting.

Did you wonder where the cartoonist got the idea of drawing a bomb as a turban? Saying he is hateful towards Muslim is too easy of an answer.

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Only a radical Islamist would equate killing someone to running a cartoon.

Only a radical Islamist doesn't realize why there was a bomb as a turban.

Only a radical Islamist thinks that only their beliefs should be protected.

Only a radical Islamist is more offended by a cartoon than radicals who kill innocents to honor the prophet.

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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This of course is something Muslims would never do. Ask any Jew.