[Merged] We are all Danes now, Check this editorial

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[quote=Lajawab]
In response to my post, you have above three typical Americanist response...

The first one is trying to lure me into an argument which has nothing to do with my post...

The second is resorting to conscientious pressure to educate me on freedom...

The third now, very academically, draws a line between freedom of expression and killings...Why draw the line here? Why not also include 9/11 and 7/7 as freedom of expressions? Both these cartoons and 9/11 were meant to hurt in some way by someone...

I have run out of words on this topic... though all I can say here that in your argument of clubbing 9/11 and 7/7 to this you are wrong very wrong. In a way you are justifying Gujarat, You are justifying Sudan, You are justifying Hitler, You are justifying Laden, You are justifying iraq....
all everybody is talking about is Islam take a liberal view. You have a right not to take. Than world has a right to make its view. That doesn't and isn't helping anybody... we are just hurtling towards a very violent world.
Think if your Islamic protests are matched by violence by Govt.
Don't think that can't happen, everywher Radicals are gaining strengthe due to this. All the Radicals who were released by UK court must be laughing in homes since these cartoons just increased there vote bank by some margin. Same is the case across the Europe for all other radical parties.
Muslims are going through a lots of pain already, this inflexibility will just increase it........for them and for all others as well..
When its pain, it won't matter who created it, since world will never reach on an agreement on who created it........

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Only a bigot would call insulting the religious sensibilities of another as freedom of expression…

Only a bigot would promote stereotyping, labelling and profiling as freedom of expression…

Only a bigot would also say the same thing…

Only an ignorant bigot doesn’t understand the value of the Holy Prophet :saw: to a Muslim…

Indeed…

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I think this thread puts an end to all discussion on this matter:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=206784

No we are not all danes now, only the fascist racist islamaphobic ones of us are.

9 Indian Soldiers killed,16 hurt around Srinagar
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:k:

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YES INDEED..

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What type of person places human life below tradition?

What type of person places human life below the worship of another man?

What type of person doesn't understand this: radicals are killing innocents based on the teachings of the prophet and there is no Muslim outrage. A cartoon is drawn to satirize this fact and people are all of a sudden outraged at the disrespect to the prophet. I ask you, which is more disprectful? Killing innocents in his name or satrizing the fact that it is being done and no one seems to care. He very well may have approved of the cartoon to educate those who are killing in his name.

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When Idolatry Goes Wild.

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‘Something Is Rotten in the State of Denmark’

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=77327&d=5&m=2&y=2006

Danish ministers say the government can’t condemn the cartoons a daily published mocking the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), and that freedom of speech is guaranteed for all and that freedom of the press is also guaranteed by the Danish constitution. This argument would have been accepted if the constitution does not state otherwise and if the Danish government can say the same thing when it comes to making anti-Semitic remarks. The Danish constitution says:

“The law prohibits publicly disseminated statements, which threaten, insult, or degrade persons based on their religion.”

And this law was used by the Danish government to condemn “anti-Semitic” activities and investigate them, as mentioned in the human rights report made by the US Department of State regarding Denmark in 2004:

“From January through June, there were five incidents of anti-Semitic vandalism, primarily graffiti, and one incident of an anti-Semitic mailing, which the government condemned and investigated.”

Why a different stand when it comes to Islam? Of course there is nothing new in this. In April last year the queen of Denmark was quoted by the Telegraph newspaper as saying that we (Denmark) “should show our opposition to Islam”.

She said: “We are being challenged by Islam these years — globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy.

“We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance.”

The problem is not confined to Demark; some newspapers in some European countries used the same cartoons to say that they support the Danish newspaper’s “freedom of speech”.

These countries that boast about freedom of speech and freedom of press are the same countries that make it illegal and punishable by prison for anyone to question the holocaust or brandish Nazi symbols in public.

In France a university professor was sacked because he made a research questioning the magnitude of the Holocaust. In Germany one risks going to jail if one denies the Holocaust or brandishes Nazi symbols in public.

In fact the Italian interior minister confirmed on Thursday that legal action is being taken against 11 football fans for brandishing Nazi symbols during a Serie A game. The 11 face prison sentences of between three months and one year.

There are many examples to show that freedom of press in Europe stops when it comes to some historical facts that two can differ upon, but when it is about insulting Islam then it is freedom of speech.

No freedom is absolute; a person’s freedom ends when it encroaches into another person’s freedom.

Muslim governments should ask the United Nations to pass a law against insulting any religion. We should use all our resources and powers — economical and political — to make this happen.

If we stay silent now then we will never be able to raise our heads.

Muslim people have said their word and took action by boycotting Danish goods; now it is up to governments to take a strong stand.

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Sounds like a reasonable request, but the laws needs to be passed by individual gov'ts, not to the UN.

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A law banning insulting any religion? Make your religion a political movement and then anyone who attacks it can be thrown in jail.

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if i am correct UN has a law that prohibits Hate and racism.

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Can't be done in that context, because Denmark is a secular state.

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Is the Holocaust a religion?

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/attachment.php?attachmentid=1416&stc=1&d=1139252640

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very well said! burning embassies is not the answer but observing demonstrations and raising voice for our rights exposing western hypocracy.

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Holocaust seems more religious to Muslims than to anyone else. For everyone else, the holocaust is a historical fact, but to Muslims it seems to be conspiracy ( one of fantasy obviously) of th Jews…one of many conspiracies to malign Islam, Muslims, and to take Muslim lands.

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That cartoon did not satirize any “fact”. It was meant as nothing but an insult at Muslims out of sheer hatred. Muslims are sensitive to insult of the Prophet (pbuh) since we respect and admire him. Muslim or American terrorists may be using a number of sources to justify their violence, but that doesn’t mean we start ridiculing all these sources.

I will admit that there is a certain amount of hypocrisy in the way many Muslims have reacted, but that hypocrisy can also be seen in Europe.

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everyone who has different views compared to u is a bigoted amreekan

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Most intelligent post I have seen.

So let's see where there has been violence. Lebanon, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iran. Pretty much hotbeds of rebellion. The only difference is that Syria hardly allows Islamic Radicals, (remember the former town of Hama), and Lebanon is fighting with Syria for control of their country. Sounds like some dictators and regimes want to inflame the masses for their own purposes.

Lemmings getting used.

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What violence has there been in Pakistan concerning this? 5,000 people marched in Peshawar peacefully. There was more violence here over some stupid marathon in Lahore. Most, if not all of the violence has occurred in areas which are already politically unstable. Yes, protests may be widespread over the Muslim world, but they were not very large. Given enough time and money I can gather 100 people to protest Ohioguy in Karachi.

But there is widespread anger and rightly so.