Men for SALE!!

So as you all know, in India it is quite common for the groom’s side to demand money [jahez] from the bride’s family, and the price goes up with the groom’s education and status. It’s almost like saying, “buy my son.” :chai: This is very common in Hindus and Sikhs. The government has started a program to help families where if a dowry case is reported, the dude’s family can be sentenced to 7 years [or so] in jailtime. One of my friends had the privilege of doing so after her would-have-been inlaws sent a LONG list of items they wanted along with this lovely, educated working girl. Luckily, she lived in an area where the police department wasn’t corrupt [yet] and they were “taken care of.”

However, not every one is that fortunate, and sadly, this trend is quite common in muslim families as well although Islam doesn’t require dowry as such. What you give your daughter willingly is one thing but a guy should have them much self esteem as to not DEMAND money and gifts especially if he has an income.

What do you all say?

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We all know jahez is an evil evil thing. In my family, none of us took any jahez and my sisters married into very good families Alhumdulillah.

We seem to think its jihalat and its jaahil people asking for such things. No, its not. Its the educated class that demands a return on their investment: their son. Everyone you speak to will be against jahez and will consider it a lanat but how many actually take a stand to stop it?

For rishta purposes, I spoke to this guy once. He has 3 younger sisters...he gave ALL of them thousands and thousands in jahez YET expected me to believe he didnt want anything from my family. Even if thats true and he really didnt...........how could he contribute to a society evil being the elder brother of 3 girls??? How do you justify that?

One of those sister's husband's is still drawing on financial support from this older brother............I mean really HOW BACKWARD? And the husband is a DOCTOR.

In my own family in Pakistan, so many girls take jahez with them but ALL of them are so miserable. WHY would you marry someone who is demanding payment for their son?

Furniture, gold, cash, cars, clothes for the entire khandaan and their anay valay janam ke log, etc etc etc. Who walks into a marriage like that expecting things to work out?

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OH and the justification is: karna parta hai…ye humaray revaaj hein aur in cheezon se humari behnon ki izzat bani rehti hai. :rolleyes:

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This is one topic that makes my blood boil. I agree with reha that people say oh we are so against it etc but when time comes they don't take a stand on it. Honestly though what goes through a guys head when he demands things from his in-laws. How does he justify sleeping on furniture, eating in plates and spending the money his wife's family gave him. Does that not bother the so called manly ego?!?

My sister didn't take any jahez either and inshAllah I don't plan on either when the time comes.

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do u guys count all the clothes you get from your parents in 'jahez'?

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The clothes...not so much because they are for your personal use and you need them! lol

Jahez would be things your parents buy because your inlaws are expecting them...like furniture, cash, gold, cars, scooters, etc etc etc.

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Jahez is a sign of being monetarily greedy.

While a man's family has demands, girl's family if the girl is young, pretty, slim, educated, looks for highly qualified, potentially or presently rich man.

So no matter if it is a boy or girl. Both can be for 'sale'.

Even in dating scenes, both men and women may present themselves as sale material and they go on further to get into intimate relation in bed (with or without their parent's approval) to prove they are 'good products' to be sold!

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and the worst part is they put it in on display.. Someone I know had to spend hundreds and thousands to go above n beyond their means for their daughter just because the bari bahu had brought a lot in and it was kind of a competition.. I hate this rasm and like Reha so many people talk about how bad it is (my family being one of them) but NOONE does anything to stop it!! their reply, not everyone understands it so cant implement it, hello set the exmaple!!

I didn't take any jahaiz except the clothes that my mom insisted I must take.. I stayed in Pakistan with my husband for six months, we bought some second hand furniture and used our wedding gift money to buy big ticketed items.. we moved to the US and here I was living all by myself with some furniture that I had bought over time and some was hand me down by friends and colleagues.. we plan to buy new furniture for our house inshaAllah.. didn;t get anything from parents and we may not have the most lavish furniture in the house but it's all paid by us for us so very proud of it!!!

and I will not give jahaiz for my daughters.. we will educate them, raise them to be a good Muslim and only sincere people will deserve them!

ps: the sad part is everyone in my family (immediate n extended) got jahaiz and gave jahaiz.. I wish I had control over them :-(

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I've never understood why a girl or her family is willing to marry into a family where the guy or his parents demand jahez?!

If a girl's family can afford it and VOLUNTARILY gives gifts during the wedding (clothes, jewelry, furniture ...whatever)....I don't see anything wrong with it.

However, situations where the guy or his family demands or expects money or other gifts, that's pathetic and should not be tolerated by girls or their families. Is there a lack of men in this world? I just don't understand why girls and their families give into these demands.

Personally, I'm lucky that my SO and his parents aren't like this. And in my extended family, this is also not practiced. With my male cousins that have married, I have never heard of my side of the family demanding or expecting jahez. And my family also will not hesitate breaking rishta talks with a guys family if we find out that the guy or his family expects jahez....not b/c of lack of $....but the idea of it is repulsive. In fact, I've heard of several cases where my extended family has turned down the guys family when it was discovered that the other side is the type that expects jahez.

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I so agree with Reha here. I know couples who got divorced based on jahiz. To me the one giving the Jahiz is as much guilty as the one demanding it. I got married in a family where Jahiz is a something very very important. They can't imagine a girl not bringing Jahiz and trust me they are all very very educated people. I however, didn't take a single thing from my parents except of course clothes they made for me for my use of my choice and some gold my mom set aside for me. My husband and his parents are exceptional. They don't care about all this Jahiz wahiz.

I think people need to stop giving Jahiz to their daughters. They are rich fine.. understandable... they can afford it and may be showing off or whatever their reason is. But if one person decides to give jahez its automatically expected that someone else .. the brides sisters or cousins will get Jahez too.

I have also seen the trend Niksik has mentioned of Indian people. Its so sad. The guy marrying is supposed to provide for everything for his family. Its a shame.

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Paheli,

All of us could have taken "stuff" other than our clothes and some gold our mother gave us but we didnt. Im not tooting my own horn here but how strange would it be for a woman to take pricey items with her but stand against jahez?

Its a custom to give large ticket items at a wedding from the girl's side and that custom itself contributes to the pressure families end up feeling. They have to compete...keep up with Jones. One family did it and now everyone else has to also. It may be hard to convince our parents but not impossible. I would prefer girls spend money on their wedding than take jahez with them. Its the reason why SO many girls back home are still single and cant get married.

I dont mean to offend you at all by the way.

Agreed. My daughters arent taking any jahez with them...at all. They will be strong and independant women who will not need materialistic things to add value to their package so a man can be enticed into marrying them. No way. That is not only setting the stage for future demands but also encouraging a custom that cannot possibly bring any good with it.

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Firstly, you didn’t offend me. J I’m always open to hearing others views and I actually enjoy reading your posts.

If a girl’s parents have the money to be able to give her lavish gifts and wants to give them voluntarily, then I see nothing wrong with it. I disagree with that statement that all of us could have taken stuff other than clothes and some gold. Take me for example. My parents are poor. No way to sugar coat that. I’m older and have my own career…but I currently have 2 siblings who just started college. At this point, forget “stuff”, my parents cannot even afford to give me formal clothes or gold. Heck honestly, they can’t even afford to really pay for my wedding. My wedding will be paid for by myself, SO, and probably by SO’s parents. I’m blessed to have found a man who(along with his parents) don’t care about crap like jahez.

On the flip side, my SO’s older brother was married a few years ago and her family is very wealthy. SO himself told me how her family gave her tons of lavish gifts. His family knows about my family’s financial situation and yet has never made me feel any “less” b/c of it. SO’s family or his brother didn’t care one way or another whether or not his SIL’s family gave any gifts. I don’t think there was anything “wrong” with her parents giving lavish gifts for their daughter b/c they could afford it. In my own family, there is a mixture of “rich” and “poor”. Some of my cousins get lavish gifts from their parents…but at least in my family, the “poor” ones don’t compete with it or go into debt trying to “keep up”.

I have a problem with situations where the guy or his family DEMAND jahez and threaten to call off the wedding or abuse the new bride if her family can’t meet their demands. In my view, this is totally different than a girl’s family “feeling” like they need to give gifts to “keep up with joness”.

Thank you Paheli :slight_smile:

I think my issue is with families setting standards so high that its practically impossible for others who also want to send off their daughters in a “respectable” way. All that happens is everyone competes with one another to do better than the last. Jahez is a cultural thing we have - again - borrowed from Hindu people. Its not something we should be doing…I am no one to say whether its gunah or not but can it possibly be right? Think about how much good this can possibly do.

I think desi families need to take a stand and stop this practice for the better future of not only their daughters but everyone else’s also. I know one family who put their daughter’s jahez on lay-away and couldn’t marry her off until it was paid off, released and presented to the inlaws. I mean, come ON. Can some furniture, an air conditioner and a scooter really secure a good future for your daughter? I know you’re saying you have an issue with people demanding jahez but I think our families should stop giving it period. There should be some rasmi gifts for immediate family but giving lavish amounts of jahez is not right in my opinion.

We are a middle class, average family. If we all married into families where we needed jahez…that would mean complete financial ruin for us. I cannot imagine what kind of pressure that would put on our parents. Four daughters…:hayaa:

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any of you ladies is free to marry me as long as you bring a 2011 mercedes sls amg gullwing for jahaiz. thank you

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^^ lol

I agree with Reha. I don't care what the parents can or can't give the girl. Jahiz is stupid even when the girl's parents can give her 2011 mercedes..

Its society as a whole we see. Its setting standard for people in the society we live, it shouldn't be encouraged. I am very much against it. My own SIL was divorced after my in-laws gave her tons of Jahiz... reason for her divorce: we didn't get enough. If we leave this rasm today, it'll help our future generations as Reha said.

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My ex MIL refused a rishta for her son who was residing abroad because the girl's family was not willing to give jahez. They were right they said that there is no sense in giving bed room set and all if their daughter is not going to live here and use it. But she still wanted it so the rishta was called off just a few days before the engagement.

In my own case they expected (not demanded before marriage) a lum sum amount of cash apart from the jahez. In the hope of getting that money they renovated the house for lacs of rupees and that money was borrowed. Hence, I was asked to pay it off .

What I am trying to say is that those people and situations are better in which the groom and his family bark about jahez before the marriage and atleast the girl's family can make a decision. In situations where they are just expecting and are 100% confident that they will get the money and never speak about it before marriage because the girl is ekloti beti.....problems arises after marriage when the expectations are not fulfilled and the problem created for the girl are bad enough to make her life hell.

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I say its sad , but isn't it most of the time guy's mom pushing for it ?? So yea women need to unite on something .

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Haha! Yes it’s usually the women :nahi:

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Jahez is a beautiful concept. The man is letting a woman join his family, the least she can do is bring some gifts along with her as a gesture of gratitude. And nothing says 'thank you sartaj' like cash, TV'aan, fridge'aan, dressing table'aan etc.

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I have been through such incidences where the family liked me a lot for rishta purpose... but then the mother of the Mr Potential mentioned how she furnished full apartment for her daughter when she got married last year and gave her blah blah.. expecting my mom to assure her that my family would be doing the same to me... which we could not coz I lost my father few years back, I am the eldest child and me and all siblings are working to earn our living... (the guys side do such things very commonly although the families and the guys were all very educated and broad minded)...

however, I am sooo happy that Allah SWT did not choose such people for me... my rishta is yet to finalise and I hope I get a guy and family that do not give importance to such things and accept me the way I am and of course I plan to be the daughter of their family for life Insha Allah :)

my mom plans to give me clothes, gold, clothes/ gifts to in-laws etc.. Other things (furniture, cash, etc) I am not planning to take along although my mom says she would love to give me as much as possible (I usually end up fighting with her on this issue but she says she want me to have izzat and security for future)... but I really believe that if the guy accepts me for who I am and not for what I bring... I will have more izzat :)