Salaam I was wondering, when we cut an animals throat, we cut it’s jugular vein right? How much more pain does the animal feel, is instead, we cut it the way non muslim butchers cut the animal?
studies are currently underway razea. its difficult getting feedback what with the test subject being dead after the procedure.
chicken psychologists maintain that chickens do not particularly jump at either method of seperating their heads from their bodies, infact their sentiments are decidedly to the contrary. If you go to a meat shop in pakistan, you may infact hear them vocally expressing their opinion in this regard, even though one may assure them that the halal method will not cause them much pain. to them its not so much a question of where the knife is used, but more along the lines of why me and not chick next to me who cramps my style anyway.
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studies are currently underway razea. its difficult getting feedback what with the test subject being dead after the procedure.
chicken psychologists maintain that chickens do not particularly jump at either method of seperating their heads from their bodies, infact their sentiments are decidedly to the contrary. If you go to a meat shop in pakistan, you may infact hear them vocally expressing their opinion in this regard, even though one may assure them that the halal method will not cause them much pain. to them its not so much a question of where the knife is used, but more along the lines of why me and not chick next to me who cramps my style anyway.
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Excennlent information. I rearelly see people that informative. : )
""to them its not so much a question of where the knife is used, but more along the lines of why me and not chick next to me who cramps my style anyway. ""
LoL..sorry..but that's kinda funny
To me every word was humorous.
Re: Meat
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Salaam I was wondering, when we cut an animals throat, we cut it's jugular vein right? How much more pain does the animal feel, is instead, we cut it the way non muslim butchers cut the animal?
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Killing animals the Islamic way, i.e. slitting their throat open and letting them bleed to death is extremely cruel and inhumane. If you are really concerned about hurting the animals you should not consume halal meat. The way animals are slaughtered in the West is far less painful and shocking for them. The reason in Islam the animal must bleed to death in order for its meet to become halal is a relic of an interpretation of Judaism that considered the blood is the soul or the soul is in the blood. Today the Jehowa witnessed have this belief and they refuse transfusion of blood for this very reason. They want to avoid the mixing of spirits. So halal meet has something to do with superstitions and not with hygiene or health.
Exactly, look for the Kosher label on your meat and you know you're getting meat from an animal that was basically tortured before being slaughtered.
Guys..what are ur views on this, on what Sher and underthedone said, why would Allah swt want animals to suffer?
Razea, Allah wants the animals to be slaughtered in a particular way (Non-believers refer to it as suffering) so that his best creation can enjoy a meal and be thankful to what he has provided as blessings.
So who is doing it with humans. We do it with animals and they are inhuman. Btw why is it inhuman in the first place.
And how exactly did you find that out. Did you interviewed the souls or what?
Who told you that. Well whoever did was wrong. You have been misguided.
You see we do the ‘ziba’ slaughter in the told manner becuase we have been told that by the Messenger Muhammad [s]. We care less about all other things then the what the Allah [swt] and Muhammad [s] has taught.
So how do you guys consider hunted animals as halal or not ?
"Teaching a child not to step on a caterpillar is as valuable to the child as it is to the caterpillar."
- Bradley Miller
What About the Claim that Slaughtering by Hand Causes Severe Pain to the Slaughtered Poultry?
As mentioned above, it is the stunning which causes the more severe pain. As for slaughtering by hand, the blood gushes out immediately after cutting the jugular veins; the blood gushes out instantly; no blood reaches the brain, and consequently, the poultry becomes unconscious. At the same time, the spinal chord reacts by sending strong pulses which produce successive shaking of all organs of the poultry, and this causes all the blood to flow out. Soon afterwards the pulses of the spinal chord slow down as a result of the paralysis of the brain, and it finally stops sending pulses completely. Accordingly, the poultry ceases to show any reaction which means it died by slaughtering. Thus, it must be known that SLAUGHTERING POULTRY BY HAND SAVES IT FROM FEELING THE PAIN.
http://www.themuslimwoman.com/hertongue/Poultry.htm
Maybe I answered my own question…but i guess this would be good for those who were also wondering.
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So how do you guys consider hunted animals as halal or not ?
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Before the animal die, slaughter it : )
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Before the animal die, slaughter it : )
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Not necessarily. In old times when hunting was done via arrows, it was alright to say the prayer before the arrow is released. That way the animal is halaal. There are specific instructions on how to use dogs in hunting.
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So how do you guys consider hunted animals as halal or not ?
If a halal wild animal is hunted with a weapon and it dies, it becomes halal and its body becomes Pak, if the following five conditions are fulfilled:
(i) The weapon used for hunting should be able to cut through, like, a knife or a sword, or should be sharp like a spear or an arrow, so that due to its sharpness, it may tear the body of the animal. If an animal is hunted with a trap, or hit by a piece of wood or a stone, it does not become Pak, and it is haraam to eat its meat. And if an animal is hunted with a gun and its bullet is so fast that it pierces into the body of the animal and tears it up, the animal will be Pak and halal, but if the bullet is not fast enough and enters the body of the animal with pressure and kills, or burns its body with its heat, and the animal dies due to that heat, it is a matter of Ishkal to say that the animal is Pak or halal.
(ii) The hunter should be a Muslim or at least a Muslim child who can distinguish between good and bad. If a non-Muslim, other than Ahle Kitab, or from those sects like, Nawasib - enemies of Ahlul Bait (A.S.) who are classified as Kafir, hunts an animal, the animal is not halal. As a matter of precaution, an animal hunted by Ahle Kitab is also not halal, even if he may have uttered the name of Allah.
(iii) The hunter should aim the weapon for hunting the particular animal. Therefore, if a person takes an aim at some target, and kills an animal accidentally, that animal will not be Pak and it will be haraam to eat its meat.
(iv) While using the weapon the hunter should recite the name of Allah, and it is sufficient if he utters the name of Allah before the target is hit. But if he does not recite Allah's name intentionally, the animal does not become halal. There is, however, no harm if he fails to do so because of forgetfulness.
(v) The animal will be haraam if the hunter reaches it when it is already dead, or, even if it is alive, he has no time left to slaughter it. And if he has enough time to slaughter it and he does not slaughter it till it dies, it will be haraam.
Would you like to have your throat slashed and slowly bleed to death or have someone chop your head off? Not an indictment but logically speaking, it seems that no one in their right mind wold want to have their throat slashed and bleed to death slowly. If you think animals go through less pain or something or deserves this fate, you are wrong. Halaal way of killing animals is simply and purely inhumane. ANd “themuslimwoman” online is not the JAMA. :rolleyes: That is like asking the christian right validity for Jesus’s love of Mary Magdalene. Do google better.
The swift cutting of vessels of the neck disconnects the flow of blood to the nerve of the brain responsible for pain. This way the animal does not feel pain.Its anything but inhumane.
Actually that is incorrect. A swift beheading is th emost humane way of obtaining meat. Rest is just uncivilized.
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**Rest* is just uncivilized.
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Elaborate what do you mean by the word "Rest" here ...
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Actually that is incorrect. A swift beheading is th emost humane way of obtaining meat. Rest is just uncivilized.
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excuse me.When animals are slaughtered in the Islamic way- they dont suffer. Its not incorrect for your info- simply... its that you refuse to believe the facts.Animals dont suffer when they are killed in the Islamic way.Islam doesnt believe in torturing animals as you seem to be thinking.