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I’m no scholar. Someone told me that the addition “*allahummu wali man walaah wa adi manadaah” is only something people made up but if that is not the case then please tell me, thanks.
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first you are the one who brought it up and then claim to be dhaef and then accuse people of making up stuff.... If its not the true hadith prove me that its dhaef and on what bases... but oh well someone told you... is enough for you... wah jee mullah jee wah
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Originally posted by Saif-ul-Islam: *
And it just occurred to me that as for “*man kuntu mawlah fa Ali mawlah” when the Prophet (peace be upon him) said that he did not give any time frame. So even if he did mean leader, which I don’t think he did but even if it is interpreted that way it doesn’t necessarily mean right after him.
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Oh wow another lame excuse to defend your so khaleefa.... did Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. mention a time frame for it... if Prophet raised him and announced it and made people give alligance.... what else is it supposed to mean... but no you have to cook some lame excuses... on top of it without any justification... wah jee wah... wat a good extermist mullah you are.....
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*Originally posted by Saif-ul-Islam: *
And why would I call a hadith weak just because it doesn’t fit my interest? My only interest is to please Allah the Exalted and follow the truth even if that goes against my current beliefs. I have changed sects a few times when I found my beliefs and practices were not in conformity with the Quran and Sunnah and I am certain that what I currently believe is the truth.
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wow and what a good way to please Allah... by respecting his enemies...subhallah
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we do believe Islam was complete when this verse was revealed the Quran and Sunnah were complete for the Muslims to follow. So what if Ahadith were collected after the Prophet (peace be upon him)’s death? Even the Quran was put together in book form after the Prophet (peace be upon him) had died by those who you call hypocrites. I think you should stick to following just your Imams, these hypocrite Caliph's might have added or omitted something from the Quran too
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because quran is perfect... and Allah is the guard... suprisingly Prophet Mohammad left with a perfect book but not a perfect source of sunnah.... why didnt he do that... if he could leave us with a perfect book I am sure he would have given us a source of his correct sunnah so we don't end up in sects...but why didnt it happen....... and thats why i said he left quran and ahleybait... ahleybait who were there to defend islam since the first day and in karbala when your so called islam was in the hands of evil khaleefa like yazeed.....
but let me ask you questions i posted earlier...
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“And whoever contradicts and opposes the Messenger (Muhammad SAW) after the right path has been shown clearly to him, and follows other than the believers' way. We shall keep him in the path he has chosen, and burn him in Hell - what an evil destination.” (Quran 4:115)
and didnt Abu Bakr opposed Holy Prophet P.B.U.H. by displeasing Fatima Zehra SA. wasnt that order of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. that whoever makes Fatima angry makes me angry... why didnt he follow so called order order to full fill his greed compare to not dipleasing Bibi Fatima SA... if nauzubillah Bibi Fatima Zehra SA was not righteous why would Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. give such a hadith... so lost people your own believes contradicts each other.
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......which Allah will forgive. Ali (may Allah be pleased with him) forgave her and others who were on the opposing side, he made sure that she left the battle ground safely.
any refernces......well its up Allah to forgive but any refernces when did Ali forgave her......
**.... I am glad atleat you said Hazrat Ali forgave her and not vice versa implying you believed she was wrong and needed forgiveness from Allah and Ali.....I am sure when you made the statements of Hazrat Ali forgiving her... it must be in your books and not some made up stuff.... \B]
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And like I said before some of the Sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) did make mistakes and have some shortcomings for which they repented but their good deeds and sacrifices in the way of Islam outweighed them by far.
and how do you know they overweighed or they mgiht have repententred, but its Allah who give repentence.
those were some questions i raised earlier... but i don't know if its worth asking you again looking at the things a mullah like you have to preach first say some hadith and when it doesnt fit right to your interest make it dhaef without any justifications.
and let me remind you Imam Hassan didnt just give khilafat away he did sullah on conditions .... he just didnt trust him for khilafat like that... go read the conditions before cooking up excuses for a person who in the light of your hadith is an enemy of Allah
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care to tell me who are these people who according to whom according to their own believes a person should be enemy of Allah and they still respect him, and who are these person...who supported this enemy in the battle against Maulla Ali and then came in big numbers against Imam Hussain......
and isnt it some extermist sunni mullah's who wants to kill shias because they don't supporst some so called enemies of Allah.....
Mullah jee you denied the ayat i quoted abou the wives of Prophet Mohammad P.B.U.H. but didnt clear it up and yourself claimed they were jealous wives but didnt clarify who the ayat is then for...... which two wives.. or let me guess someone told you that without any references and the great proud extermist mullah you are you started preaching others.