Ok sorry, I guess I didnt read your post carefully? I thought people who go to mazaar are doing one of two things: making dua for the dead person (for Allah to forgive them etc) or making dua to the person. What other reasons are there to visit the mazaar?
Why do people go to shrines, well....different people have different reasons, but for our part, we shouldn't be judging them.
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shahabaz qalandar
imam bari kismat karo khari
i love sufis like buleh shah and shah inayat ali qadari
Security guards, in Madinah are VERY strict about people reciting the "salam" and surah-fatiha for the Prophet (pbuh) anyone praying in the Prophet's (pbuh's) direction.. or standing too long is asked to leave..
What is meant by tawassul and waseelah is four things:
the kind of tawassul without which faith cannot be complete, which is seeking to reach Allaah (tawassul) by believing in Him and His Messengers, and obeying Him and His Messenger, This is what is meant in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):
“O you who believe! Do your duty to Allaah and fear Him. Seek the means of approach to Him…”
[al-Maa’idah 5:35]
This includes seeking to approach Allaah through His Names and Attributes, or by doing acts of obedience and worship by which one seeks to approach Allaah, and so on.
Seeking to approach Allaah by asking His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to make du’a’ for one during his lifetime, and the believers asking one another to make du’aa’ for one another. This follows on from the first type and is encouraged.
Seeking to approach Allaah by virtue of the status and virtues of some created being, such as saying, “O Allaah, I ask You by virtue of Your Prophet” and so on. This is allowed by some of the ‘ulama’, but this opinion is da’eef (weak). The correct view is that it is definitely haraam, because there can be no tawassul in du’aa’ except by virtue of the Names and Attributes of Allaah.
Tawassul as it is understood by many of the Muslims of later times, which is calling on the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and seeking his help (or seeking the help of the dead and so-called awliya’). This is a form of major shirk, because calling on or seeking help from anyone other than Allaah with regard to something that that only Allaah is able to do is a kind of worship, and directing worship to anyone or anything other than Allaah is major shirk.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “ And whoever invokes (or worships) besides Allaah, any other god, of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely, al-kaafiroon (the disbelievers in Allaah and in the Oneness of Allaah) will not be successful.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:117].
Allaah states that anyone who calls on anything other than him is taking that thing as a god, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “…And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a qitmeer (the thin membrane over a date-stone). If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call, and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad), like Him Who is the All-Knower (of everything).” [Faatir 35:13-14].
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Yes the same people thrash old women under their warped ‘Islamic’ laws, they should hardly be the authority on this.
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/314438-saudis-lash-75-year-old-woman-mingling.html
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^| ok apples and garlic being compared here
ure only meant to give salam to the prophet facing his grave. rest of dua makig is to be made standing facing the kabaa.
cant hate them for doing things how they should be love. as for the whipping and other such issues.. thats a totally diff thread subject :)
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To hell with those muttawas.
Gina
they won't allow you to do khatams of surah Yasin either.
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oh yeah u knw saudis think thers one god also and they think prophet pbuh was the last prophet also plz stop doing that too cuz they kafir saudis do that and we dont wanna be like them. 
wats right is right and wats wrogn is wrong. i agree with khawateen here. u cant compare two different things. its non sense but yeah if only common sense was common :hinna:
if u wanna bach saudis open other threads no1s stoping u and bash their system the hel u want but not only saudis think that praying on mazars is wrong. who ever has common sense can figure it out themselves and we dotn need no peer to tell us that its wrong.
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Etiquette of visiting a Mazaar or Kramat
"When I make someone my beloved then I become his ears by which he hears, his
eyes by which he sees, his hands by which he holds and his feet by which he
walks." (Hadith Qudsi).
When a person reaches the stage of Wilaayat, then he becomes the Beloved of Allah and
everything he does is done through the power of Allah. A person with such a great status
is called a Wali-Allah.
When the Auliyah physically depart from this earth, then their status is still upheld. The
grave of a Wali is unlike that of an ordinary person. Their bodies do not decay or perish,
but remain intact and fresh. The Holy Prophet (SAW) has said:
"The bodies of the Ambiyah and Auliyah remain intact in their graves. Furthermore, the
mercy and blessing of Allah continuously descends on them." In order to distinguish the
grave of a Wali-Allah from the ordinary person's grave, and also as a sign of recognition,
a Chaadar or Ghilaaf is placed on their graves.
It is spiritually beneficial to visit the Mazaars of the Auliyah and partake in their
remembrance. In a hadith of the Prophet (SAW) it has been reported that, "When the
beloved of Allah are discussed, abundant and intense mercy of Allah descends on all
those present." This is because Allah loves His Auliyah, thus He loves the discussion of
the Auliyah. This discussion can be upheld in various ways; which include; reading a
book on their life histories, struggles, striving in the path of Allah, emulating their
examples and patterns of thinking, learning to uphold the Sunnah as practised by Auliyah,
lecturing to an audience and informing them about the life history of a particular Wali or
other Auliyah.
As the mercy and blessings of Allah descend with the remembrance of the Auliyah,
likewise the blessings of Allah descend at the graves of the Auliyah. One should maintain
utmost respect when visiting the tomb of a Wali, shoes should be removed. One should
be in a state of tahaarah and wudhu (abolution). It is prohibited to sit on, lean against or
put your feet on a grave. No other intention must exist in one's mind beside intending to
derive spiritual benefit from the Wali, one should stand or sit respectfully at the graveside
facing the Wali. One should avoid loud and unnecessary conversations and worldly
indulgence. One should recite the Holy Quran; even the smallest surah, Durood Shareef,
and indulge in Zikr-ul-laah etc. One should make dua to Allah with the Waseela of the
Auliyah after Esaale-e-Sawaab.
Taken from the booklet: “Guide to the Kramats of the Western Cape.”, edited by
Mansoor Jaffer, ISBN: 0620198893. Published by the Cape Mazaar Society
To hell with those muttawas.
Gina they won't allow you to do khatams of surah Yasin either.
They do.. they also let u do Surah Rahman Khatams.. and the complete Quran too.
Lashing, is completely diff.. if a women steals.. they cut-off her wrists too..same case with men.
Hareem, the Quran has given-us a clear outline.. and Hadith is a suggested way of life..
Collective reading of the entire Quran, or parts of it is allowed. However attaching lyrics, tunes isn't nor is singing.
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some emotion in here. Somebody open the windows!
Kali billi - I cant believe you are still a part of this never-ending argument 
Me too..out of this thread.. I think shay has her answers. Saudi's strictly follow the Quran and Hadith.. lol easy to wind it u're way by saying "to hell with them"
They do.. they also let u do Surah Rahman Khatams.. and the complete Quran too.
Lashing, is completely diff.. if a women steals.. they cut-off her wrists too..same case with men.
Hareem, the Quran has given-us a clear outline.. and Hadith is a suggested way of life..
Collective reading of the entire Quran, or parts of it is allowed. However attaching lyrics, tunes isn't nor is singing.
You need to visit and talk to the salafis on salafitalk.net.
No, they do bidda’ and they have their own interpretation of Quran and hadith different from the salaf of past, they have removed many ahadith from ahadith books. Please read the history of Abdul wahab and royal gov of saudi.
Also read this article
sigh hareem keep at it.. someone might just hear u out. Bend it u're way to suit u're needs! Like I said i'm out :)
sigh hareem keep at it.. someone might just hear u out. Bend it u're way to suit u're needs! Like I said i'm out :)
I'm not bending anything my way. Calling others mushrik for their acts, charging only poor people with strict punishments, harshness, anger, this is not what Islam is about, this is not what our Prophet (SAW) taught us.
These zealous people of saudi changed "Ya Muhammad" to "Ya Majeed" that was written in the mosque of Prophet for hundreds of years, they also removed Burda of Al Busiri from the walls because they couldn't understand it. These are just minor examples of their zealousness.
These royal Saudis were actually bandits who had a deal with Abdul Wahab and they took the state and abdul wahab took the religion thus separated religion from the state, they're not following Quran or Sunnah they're following secularism. There is no Kingdomship in Islam then why do they call themselves Princes and Kings.
Mods, please move this thread if it doesn't belong here..
It seems like visiting mazaars are a big thing in Pakistan and India. There is a big one in clifton which is a very popular place, I remember. I am wondering if this is allowed? Can one visit such places or will it be considered shirk? Some people just go to read fatiha and that's it. What is the significance of such mazaars?
You mentioned Imam Zaid Shakir once in your thread, is it possible for you to ask him about this issue.
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Are you talking about Roza e Rasool 
here? ok i am a lil confused here, the original post was regarding mazars of peer faqirs, don’t have any experience with that myself so i reserve judgement. but then topic turned towards a comparison of these sufi mazars to the Roza of Prophet Muhammad thats where i put my two cents in. as a muslim that is highly disrespectful to hear especially coming from other muslims, in the pursuit to sound the more enlightened one people cross lines that should not be crossed.
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all i can do right now is to shake my head and walk away.................