May be too big but worth spending time on!

salaam everyone,

Please have a read and add your comments at the end
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Chapter 5

The Concept of Ahlul Bayt: Tribal or Islamic?


  1. The Meaning of Ahlul Bayt

“Ahlul Bayt” literally means people of the house and it refers to the family or children of a person. In Islamic terminology, it refers to the family of the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.).

What is the basis of the importance given to the Ahlul Bayt of the Prophet? Is there anything about it in the Qur’ãn and the sayings of the Prophet? Or is this an old Arab tribal concept with no basis in Islamic sources? The Qur’ãn and the hãdíth have a lot to say about the Ahlul Bayt. However, before we even go to the Qur’ãn, a clarification on the concept of Ahlul Bayt is necessary.

The term “family of the prophet” can be applied on three kinds of relationships:

Those who are related to the prophet by blood or marriage ties only.
Those who are related to the prophet by soul and spirit only.
Those who are related to the prophet by blood or marriage ties as well as by soul and spirit.
When the Qur’ãn or the Prophet uses the term “Ahlul Bayt”, it could not be the first or the second group.

The first group is only physically related to the Prophet but not spiritually, like the son of Prophet Nûh or the wife of Prophet Lût or Abu Lahab, the Prophet’s uncle. Allãh clearly says to Prophet Nûh about his son: “Innahu laysa min ahlik - He is not of your family.” (11:45-46) That is, he is not one of your spiritual family; he is only physically related to you. Lût’s wife and the Prophet’s uncle, Abu Lahab, both are counted as people of the Hell-Fire.

The second category is considered “Ahlul Bayt” only in a metaphorical sense, not in the real meaning; for example, Salmãn al-Fãrsi about whom the Prophet said, “Salmãn is from us, the Ahlul Bayt.” This leaves us with the third group.

  1. Who Are the “Ahlul Bayt”?

Many people were related to the Prophet both by blood and marriage as well as by soul and spirit. But the term “Ahlul Bayt” as used by the Qur’ãn and the Prophet does not apply to all of them. We see that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) clearly applied the Qur’ãnic term “Ahlul Bayt” to four people: Fãtima, 'Ali, Hasan and Husayn (peace be upon them all).

The first verse (33:33) is of purification (tathír):

“Verily Allãh intends to keep away the abomination from you, O the Ahlul Bayt, and purify you a thorough purification.”

No Muslim would question the inclusion of Fãtima, 'Ali, Hasan and Husayn in the “Ahlul Bayt”. The disagreement arises in the inclusion of the wives and other Hashimite relatives of the Prophet among the “Ahlul Bayt”. For example, during our time, a book has been published in Saudi Arabia entitled as 'Allimu Awlãdakum Hubb Ãl-i Bayti 'n-Nabi (Teach Your Children the Love of the Family of the Prophet) by Dr. Muhammad 'Abduh Yamãni in 1991.[77] The order in which Yamãni talks about the Prophet’s family is very interesting: he first talks about Khadija, then Fatima, 'Ali, Hasan, Husayn, Zaynu 'l-'Ãbidyn, and then ends with the other wives of the Prophet.

Wilfred Madelung makes the following observation on the verse of purification: “Who are the ‘people of the house’ here? The pronoun referring to them is in the masculine plural, while the preceding part of the verse is in the feminine plural. This change of gender has evidently contributed to the birth of various accounts of a legendary character, attaching the latter part of the verse to the five People of the Mantle (ahl al-kisã’): Muhammad, 'Ali, Fãtima, Hasan and Husayn. In spite of the obvious Shí’ite significance, the great majority of the reports quoted by al-Tabari in his commentary on this verse support this interpretation.”[78]

From the many reports that the Sunni sources narrated, here I am just quoting one as an example. Abu Sa’íd al-Khudari quotes Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet in whose house the incident of Kisã’ took place. She says: Jibra’íl came with the verse of purification; the Prophet called Hasan, Husayn, Fãtima and 'Ali, and he gathered them together and covered them with the mantle. Then he said, “O Allãh, these are my Ahlul Bayt, so ‘keep away the abomination from the Ahlul Bayt, and purify them thoroughly.’” Umm Salama (may Allãh be pleased with her) said, “Am I with them, O Apostle of Allãh?” The Prophet said, “You stay in your place, and you are virtuous.”[79]

Since this verse is situated right in the midst of the verses addressed to the wives of the Prophet, some Sunnis use its position to include the wives in the “Ahlul Bayt”. But the problem with their interpretation is the difference in the pronouns: the sentences before and after the verse of purification have feminine plural pronouns whereas the statement itself has the masculine plural pronouns. This is internal evidence that the statement of purification was an independent verse that was revealed on its own in a different event unrelated to the wives.

In spite of the great majority of reports by Sunnis supporting the view that this part of the verse was a separate revelation that was later attached to the rest, Madelung has difficulty in accepting it as such. In his interpretation, he has tried to apply the term ‘Ahlul Bayt’ primarily to the Bani Hãshim and then, in the second place, to the wives. But he has failed to explain the gender difference in the pronouns used in the whole passage.

The Shí’ite and Sunni reports clearly apply the term “Ahlul Bayt” in the statement of purification to the Ahlul Kisã’, excluding the wives of the Prophet. And the gender difference in the pronouns was to show the contrast between the “Ahlul Bayt” and the wives. In words of Mirza Mahdi Puya, “While the address in the beginning of the verse is in the feminine gender - there is the transition here in the address from the feminine to the masculine gender. While referring to the consorts of the Holy Prophet, the pronouns also are consistently feminine. For a mixed assembly of men and women, generally the masculine gender is used. This transition in the grammatical use of the language, makes it quite obvious that this clause is quite a different matter used for a different group other than the previous one, and has been suitably placed here to show a comparative position of the Ahlu 'l-bayt in contrast to the wives of the Holy Prophet.”[80]

Another important verse of the Qur’ãn that talks about the Ahlul Bayt is 42:23 in which Allãh, subhãnahu wa ta’ãla, says:

“(O Muhammad) Say, ‘I do not ask for any reward for this (bringing of Allãh’s message) except the love for the near kinship.’”

The fact that this verse was revealed concerning the Ahlul Bayt, the family of the Prophet, is beyond any doubt. Imam Shãfí’i, the founder of the Sunni Shãfí’í school of law, has explained the meaning of this verse in a poem:

O Ahlul Bayt of the Messenger of Allãh, your love,

Is a duty from Allãh, mentioned in the Qur’ãn.

In your honour, it is sufficient that one’s prayer,

Is incomplete without praying for blessings on you.[81]

The Sunni polemicists have tried to reject the Shí’a point of view by the following arguments: (1) This verse was revealed in Mecca when Hasan and Husayn were not yet born, so how could it be applied on the Ahlul Bayt in the sense of Ahlul Kisã’? (2) Since it was revealed in Mecca, it is addressing the Quraysh by asking them ‘to love Muhammad because he is from their kinship.’ (3) Some say that it refers to all the Hashimites, and not just the Ahlul Bayt in the Shí’i definition.

First of all, the commentators of the Qur’ãn overwhelmingly state that even though chaper 42 is a Meccan surah, its verses 23-25, 27 were revealed in Medina. This makes the first and second arguments mentioned above baseless.

Secondly, the commandment asking for “love of the kinship of the Prophet” cannot apply to all of his kin because there were good as well as evil people among them; and so one has to restrict the import of this verse to those who were physically as well as spiritually connected to the Prophet. And no one can argue that 'Ali, Fãtimah, Hasan, and Husayn were not among those who were physically as well as spiritually related to the Prophet, even though he might extend this title to other members of Hashimite.

Finally, there are many reports in Sunni sources in which the Prophet applies this verse to the Ahlu ‘l-Kisã’. For example, when this verse was revealed, the people asked the Prophet: “Who are these near kin of yours whose love is obligatory upon us?” He replied, “'Ali, Fãtima, and their two sons.” He repeated this three times.[82]

  1. "Ahlul Bayt Not A Tribal Concept

What I have stated above is not a new interpretation; I have just summarized the arguments of the Shí’a faith supported by reports from the Sunnis that have existed for centuries. And so I was surprised to see what the learned scholar had written about the concept of Ahlul Bayt:

“The shi’a took advantage of the intimate historical relationship of 'Ali with Muhammad and of the old Arab tribal concept of ahl al-bayt (people of the household)-the family from whom chiefs were chosen-and zealously supported the candidacy of the 'Alids…”[83]

It does not behove a person from Shí’ite background to say that the Shí’a took advantage “of the old Arab tribal concept of ahl al-bayt”! So now the concept of Ahlul Bayt becomes a concept of the pre-Islamic/jãhiliyya era that was used by the Shí’as to forward their claim about the imãmate of 'Ali and his descendants!

It is indeed sad that a scholar, from a Shí’í background, could not discuss the concept of Ahlul Bayt from the Qur’ãnic perspective but a non-Muslim scholar, Wilfred Madelung, has been able to discuss at length the importance that was given to the families of prophets before Islam and then deals with the Qur’ãnic verses specific to the Ahlul Bayt.[84] Although we disagree with Madelung’s broad definition of Ahlul Bayt we totally agree with his conclusion to that section in which he says, “The Qur’ãn advises the faithful to settle some matters by consultation, but not the succession to prophets. That, according to the Qur’ãn, is settled by divine election, and God usually chooses their successors, whether they become prophets or not, from their own kin.”[85]

It seems the learned Shí’a scholar is echoing the views of Marshall Hodgson and Fazlur Rahman. Marshall Hodgson writes, “The Alids-especially those descending from Fãtimah-came to be called Ahl al-Bayt, ‘people of the house’ (an old tribal term referring to the family from whom chiefs were chosen…”[86]

While commenting on the claim made by the Shí’as of Kufa that caliphate be restored in the family of 'Ali, Fazlur Rahman writes: “The motives that led to this curious legitimist claim on part of the Kufan Arabs are not very clear, except…the fact that the Prophet had been from the Banu Hashim came to be easily exploited.”[87] Fazlur Rahman implies that the concept of Ahlul Bayt (that is, 'Ali and the Prophet were from the Banu Hãshim) was “exploited” by the Kufan Shí’as to promote their claim for the imamate of 'Ali’s descendants.

Who took advantage of the pre-Islamic traditions in the dispute on caliphate? 'Ali was denied his rightful caliphate by the Quraysh on pretext of the supposed old Arab tradition that leadership goes to the older people and not to those who were relatively young. 'Ali, in comparison to Abu Bakr, was younger in age and therefore, on the basis of the old Arab tradition, was not suitable for leadership.[88] So it was the Quraysh who relied on the “old Arab tribal” tradition to usurp the caliphate from 'Ali bin Abi Tãlib.

Who “exploited” and “took advantage” of their relationship to the Prophet? It was the Qurayshi group in Saqifa that exploited the fact that the Prophet was from their tribe, and, therefore, they had more right to the caliphate than their opponents from the Ansãr (the inhabitants of Medina).[89]

When Imam 'Ali was informed about the debate between the Quraysh and the Ansãr at Saqifa, he asked, “What did the Quraysh plead?”

People said, “They argued that they belong to the lineal tree of the Prophet.”

'Ali commented by saying, “They argued by the tree but they destroyed its fruits.”[90] The tree refers to “the tribe of Quraysh” and the fruits refer to “the family of the Prophet”.


[77] Published by Dãru 'l-Qiblah li 'th-Thaqãfati 'l-Islãmiyya in Jeddah.
[78] Madelung, The Succession to Muhammad, p. 14-15.

[79] As-Suyûti, ad-Durru 'l-Manthûr, vol. 5, p. 197. Also see at-Tabari, Jãmi’u 'l-Bayãn, vol. 7, p. 22; Muhibbu 'd-Dín at-Tabari al-Makki, Dhakhã’iru 'l-'Uqba, p. 55-60.

[80] See note no. 1857 (p. 1261) in the Holy Qur’ãn, translated by S.V. Mir Ahmad Ali. For other quotation from Sunni sources on this verse and its application to the Prophet, Fãtima, 'Ali, Hasan and Husayn (peace be upon them all), see SSA Rizvi, Imamate: the Vicegerency of the Prophet (Tehran: WOFIS, 1985) p. 49-54; Sayyid Murtaza al-'Askari, Verse of Purification (Bombay: World Islamic Network, 1998) which is an incomplete translation of his Hadíthu ‘l-Kisã’ fi Masãdiri 'l-Madrasatayn (Tehran: Nashr Tawhid, 1997). For a comprehensive discussion on this verse and its relation to the Ahlul Bayt, see Syed Ja’far Murtaza al-'Ãmili, Ahlu 'l-Bayt fi Ãyati 't-Tathír (Beirut: Dãru 'l-Amír li 'th-Thaqãfah, 1993).

[81] Muhammad bin Idrís ash-Shãfi’í, Diwãnu ‘sh-Shãfi’í, ed. Muhammad al-Khafãji (Jeddah: Maktabah Dar Hirã’, n.d.) p. 106.

[82] For an exhausting discussion on this verse of “love the kinship”, see Ja’far as-Subhãni, Mafãhímu 'l-Qur’ãn, vol. 4 (Beirut: Daru ‘l-Azwã’, 1986) pp. 17-72.

[83] Abdulaziz Sachedina, Islamic Messianism, p. 6.

[84] See Madelung, The Succession to Muhammad, p. 6-17.

[85] Ibid, p. 17.

[86] Marshall GS Hodgson, The Venture of Islam, vol. 1 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1974) p. 260.

[87] Fazlur Rahman, Islam, p. 171.

[88] See, for example, Ibn Qutayba ad-Daynwari, al-Imãmah wa 's-Siyãsah, p. 18; M. A. Shaban, Islamic History AD 600-750, p. 16. Sachedina himself says the following about wilaya: “The new thing about it was this that in the Arab culture, the Arabs were never used to see a young person assuming the leadership. In Arab culture it was impossible for a thirty year old young man to become a leader because the Arabs believed that an older person has to become a leader…” From his 6th speech in Muharram (1419) 1998 in Toronto.

[89] There were two contesting groups in Saqifa: the Quraysh who had migrated from Mecca (known as Muhajirin) and the inhabitants of Medina (known as Ansãr). For the arguments employed by the Muhãjirin in Saqifa see the following English titles: SSA Rizvi, Imamate, pp. 113-126; Murtaza al-'Askari, 'Abdullãh bin Sabã and Other Myths (Tehran: WOFIS, 1984) pp. 69-95; Muhammad R. al-Muzaffar, Saqifa (Qum: Ansariyan, 1998).

[90] Sayyid Razi, Nahju 'l-Balagha, sermon 67. For Sunni sources, see at-Tabari, Ta’ríkh, vol. 6, p. 263 and Ibn 'Abdi 'l-Barr, al-Isti’ãb under biography of 'Awf bin Athãthah.

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Mashallah Sister!
What I've been teying to tell people in over 10 topics you have cleared it in one! Inshallah Allah will give you janat for clearing the name of the prophets family(the name was clear already but people have started to put the Sahaba over the greatness of our Ahle-bayt)

Jazakallah Ramesha, it is a very informative article.

Can I point out though that you should never believe what you read, blindly. Quran is written by Allah but everything else is written by man and can be incorrect.

Let me give you an example.

Read this extract from your article:

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Now, I looked up this ayat in the Quran, here is this ayat [33:33] also with [33:32] as this has relevance:

**[33:32]
32. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.

[33:33]
33. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. *Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet SAW), and to purify you with a thorough purification. ***

You can clearly see that this ayat was taken out of context in this article. Can you still draw the same conclusion from this?

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Really?

I’m not saying there isn’t any truth there, i’m just saying don’t follow blindly what you read. Allah gave us a dimag for a reason

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Ramesha, it was good article. I don't want to take anything away from it, but...

Cooldude, it was good again. This is abt the 7th or 8th time you have pointed out that just taking words of Quran, without their context can be truly erroneous. I am quite impressed by your research.

There were people, fuqaha, who spent their lifetime understanding Islam. Even in the times of Khilafat-e-Rashida, only some select few sahaba were the ones who used to give fatawa. Not even every sahabi felt it appropriate to give opinion. Ofcourse, even in the times of first three caliphs one of the most learned sahabi who was famous for his accuracy of opinion was Hazrat Ali (RA).

It makes me sad, that these days, some ppl, read quran and 'some' ahadith and consider them able to pass opinions on religious matters. May Allah guide us to get better understanding of Islam and to guide us to true and authentic sources of knoweldge.

Ramesha, good work. Keep it up! We must at all times give due respect and love to the Prophet (SAWW), his companions and all ahle-bayt and scholars of islam.

Adios!

Pristine: Thanks, (I think!)

I personally have quite a few Shia friends with whom I do talk about our differences etc.

What really gets me is when people (Shia, Sunni, etc etc) can pass judgements, that as you pointed out, some people spend their whole lives trying to figure out.

When I was young, my parents taught me quite a few things which I later found out weren't strictly part of Islam. It was the hardest thing in the world to disagree with my parents on certain matters, but I wasn't going to be a sheep and follow blindly what my ancestors had passed down.

It is my job to ask questions and try to find answers.

Inshallah, Allah is showing my the right way, and what I say to people is the following:

If anybody puts forward a view or an opinion, prove it first.

Don't just take what your ancestors gave you without questioning it. This is what the Jews and Christians do.

Good article. I learned something new here.

Though I haven’t read the whole post, its too long for me, might read it later.
However I have objection on your very first point.

The way you have classified the term ahlay-bait is not only inappropriate but also the actual words of Allah has been twisted to pull out the meaning you people believe in.

1: The term "family of the prophet" can be applied on three kinds of relationships – Ramesha.

If I may ask, what’s the authenticity and need to classify the house of Mohammad on the basis of blood, marriage or spirit?

It will be very appropriate if you say, those who are considered by Allah and Holy Prophet are certainly among ahlay bait. There is no need to split and filter out the rest.

For example when Allah is addressing all the wives of Mohammad(sa) as Ahlaybait, then who has the authority to negate that fact. When Holy Prophet himself is saying salmanum minal ahlaybait, then who are we to considering only blood is true and non-blood is metaphorical.

Dont try to limit the House of Mohammad(sa) to only four people. This is not only against the teaching of Islam but also against the Words of Allah.

The other question which I asked above is why there is NEED for such classification. Do you think Words of Allah is incomplete for the guidance? Do you think the Seerat-e-Mohammad(sa) is insufficient to bring moral ethics for a better society?

repent, for allah is the most forgiver.

astagfayrullah hay rabbi min qullay zambiyun wa tu bo elay hay.

Zalim,
Your replies smell bad man, there is always a smell of jealousy in your replies instead of appreciating someone if he/she is doing a good job.
Why is that?
Do you think you are the best Maulana or something?
Do you have an ego problem?
Why do you hate the Prophet’s family (Syyedna Ali, Syyedna Hasan, Syyedna Hussein, Syyeda Fatima r.a) so much?
You were not able to prove that ahlebayt included Prophet’s wives?
Where does it say in quran that Prophet’s wives were ahlebayt? Where? No blah blah, just give me the ayat number with reference.
Why creating hell for yourself?

just curious :curious:

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proof zalim? baatein karalo baree baree, laikan jab proof mango to chup lag jatee hay

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RE: Azam;

[33:33], is the verse you asked me in bold-yelling words. If you read this verse in Arabic you will find the magic word “ahlaybait”, you wont miss it.

As for your second complaint, I have never, ever disgraced or humiliated or curse or shown hatred in words or acts towards those pious personalities. Please point out where I have said so, I appologize in anticipation. This is not part of my belief to insult people who have lived among that glorious personality of Mohmmad(saw). hazaroon darood or salam us azeem hastay pay.

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You again skipped the question easily Zalim Insaan.

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Where does it use the word “Wives”. I think those wives were even not worth mentioning in Quran, thats why Allah never mentioned their names or even used the word wives with appreciation. He only warned them in Quran.
I checked the ayat by the way, it does “not talk about wives of Prophet”.

Ya rasool Allah!

**Start reading from verse [al-ahzaab: v.32-33], and if still cant attain any respect then go to hell. I am not here to teach you manners.

PS: let me know, to whom that word ählaybait is refered in verse 33:33

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Originally posted by Zalim:
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go to hell.

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Zalim mian behave. No need to lose temper, go learn some manners to talk in an educated society.

The term ahlebayt refers to Syyedna Ali, Syyedna Hasan, Syyedna Hussein, and Syyeda Fatima (r.a) towards whom we send our darood o salam when we say "Oh Allah may our salam be on those pious ahlebayt the way we give salam to aale ibrahim".

Salaam Azam,

Here is another english translation of the same ayats:

[quote]
**[33:32]
O wives of the Prophet, you are not like any other woman; if you are godfearing, be not soft in speech, lesthe, in whose heart is sickness, develops hope, but speak desirable words.(32)

[33:33]
And stay in your houses, and do not display your finery, as it was displayed in the former Days of Ignorance, and establish the Prayer, pay the Due-alms, and obey God and His Messenger; God only desires, O People of the House, to put away from you the abomination, and cleanse you thoroughly.(33)

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Any objections to this ayat?

If Ahl-Bayt is in these ayat then Allah refers to the prophets wives as ahl-bayt.

And please, we are discussing religion here, not football, so refrain from foul language and personal attacks.

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Originally posted by CoolDude:
**Salaam Azam,

Here is another english translation of the same ayats:

[QUOTE]
**[33:32]
O wives of the Prophet, you are not like any other woman; if you are godfearing, be not soft in speech, lesthe, in whose heart is sickness, develops hope, but speak desirable words.(32)

[33:33]
And stay in your houses, and do not display your finery, as it was displayed in the former Days of Ignorance, and establish the Prayer, pay the Due-alms, and obey God and His Messenger; (33)

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So where is the word of appreciation for the wives of Prophet? Both the ayats you mentioned above are "Warnings (tanbeeh) for the Prophet's wives, telling them NOT to Go out of Prophet's house without his permission, NOT to display their finery and so forth. They are warned to follow the teachings of Rasool, maybe meaning they were NOT following rasool's some teachings!"

Why have you amended the ayats?

yaar.. that is not excusable. Don't change the word of Allah.

Allah refers to the wives as the members of the house. That is the point we have been discussing.

How do you come to the conclusion that the members of the house do not include his wives?

Allah has mentioned it

And again

Don't ever change the word of Allah, you are a muslim, don't ever change the word of Allah

where did i change it hot dude? Have you gone crazy? I quoted your sentence from your own post. When you dont have an answer, you start to accuse others, why?

read your quote of my ayat. read it carefully.

then read the ayat that i wrote.

Anyway Brother, how is your prayer?

i read it, its exactly the same man. Alhamdulillah my prayers are good, though I dont like it when people ask me if I am praying or how is my prayer. Its a riya, show off to either ask or tell others or talk about your prayers, just keep it to yourself.

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ramesha said:
2. Who Are the "Ahlul Bayt"?

Many people were related to the Prophet both by blood and marriage as well as by soul and spirit. But the term "Ahlul Bayt" as used by the Qur'ãn and the Prophet does not apply to all of them. We see that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) clearly applied the Qur'ãnic term "Ahlul Bayt" to four people: Fãtima, 'Ali, Hasan and Husayn (peace be upon them all).

The first verse (33:33) is of purification (tathír):

"Verily Allãh intends to keep away the abomination from you, O the Ahlul Bayt, and purify you a thorough purification."
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Agreed.

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