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Really? is the number that big? then be it…i will censure everybody who hurted the Ahle-Bayt.
hah…Satan was actually more aware of Allah and His Powers than us. Yet he disobeyed Allah. On the other hand…the ummah was disobeying a prophet(saw). what’s the big deal??
Satan too was honoured by Allah until he disobeyed His direct Order. Screw all your good deeds…go to hell.
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So, Allah :swt: honoured them not knowing that they would disobey His direct orders later on?
Is that a universal Shia belief that Allah :swt: didn’t know that some people would disobey a direct order?
P.S. Satan has never been honoured in the Quran…He has been despised…
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ohoo…I knew you would bring something like this. acha…why did God create Satan at all? if he knew he would disobey Him? The answer is ‘Free will’. He was a jinn, a good jinn, till he obeyed His orders. Afterall he was at Arshay Barii for a reason. He cant be ‘BAD’ and still be at Arsh. He disobeyed Him and was doomed. What good are my mid-term exams if i screw my final exams?
Did Allah not know about Prophet Nuh’s(as) wife? Why let her be his(as) wife in the first place if He knew she would betray His Prophet?? Why raise her status as the wife of the Prophet and then let her drown??
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How can you talk about unity, when the two things are polar opposites of each other?
The only way unity is possible, is when you leave your heretic beliefs...and adopt the truth, and that is definetly not happening by deleting verses of the Quran that were meant to show the truth.
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I didn’t say that hadith should be disregarded, but it seems hypocritical to champion the perfectness and wholeness of the Quran while treating hadith as equally important and binding.
I don’t believe the Bible to be the literal words of God anymore than I believe the Quran to be. But I believe both were inspired by God and both are a path to salvation. I don’t put any other ‘religious’ dogma of either religion in the same category.
With hadith I believe it was the interpretation of the Muslims of that era (who were supposedly the best ever) and that Muslims have felt they need to be emulated. But a lot of it was cultural in nature and has historically been interpreted as steadfast rules from God to be followed in all cultures for all time.
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not just in this century brother. its been the custom of some self-claimed "perfect" muslims for a long time.
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The only way unity is possible, is when you leave your heretic beliefs...and adopt the truth, and that is definetly not happening by deleting verses of the Quran that were meant to show the truth.
Why don’t you change your Nick - Sharaabi shiab . You are posting in religion thread and you knew it very well that ‘Sharaab’ – alcohol is totally prohibited in Islam and you are still using ID Sharaabi .. Sir don’t tell in response that you are Sharaab means in Arabic every drinkable liquid (that includes – Juice/ Wine/Watka/chilled water/ Lemonade)
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You r 100% right bro....
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which 3 or 4 people ?
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where in the Quran are ALL companions made the best of people? I do agree that a great many of them are esp. amongst the muhajireen and ansar indeed were]
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Really? is the number that big? then be it...i will censure everybody who hurted the Ahle-Bayt.
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and what proof do you have that apart from 3-4 all were enemies of ahlulbayt?
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how would u define this loyalty?
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Another wasted thread...
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Pretty simple. Do what they ask you to do and remain on their side. Examples are Ammar bin Yasir, Salman Farsi, Muhammad bin Abi Bakr ( may Allah be pleased with them all ).
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^ so according to you Ammar(ra) and salaman(ra) did whatever Ali(as) asked them to do ...right? so we can infer that Ali(as) was okay with the administration of Umar(ra) as both of these sahabis served as commanders and governers in the time of Umar(ra)
also plz answer this question in response to your comment
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and what proof do you have that apart from 3-4 all were enemies of ahlulbayt?
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Hz Ali(as) was prudent and a wise man. Not some short-tempered freak who would draw out his sword every now and then. Yes, hz Ali(as) accepted the political realities of his days and served Islam by every means possible. However to conclude that that he accepted the legitimacy of the rule of the first three would be a bit too far-fetched. There are sermons in Nahjul-Balagha which clearly state his stance on that matter.
and i was merely accentuating on the fact that I will censure anybody who went against the Ahle-Bait. The number does not matter to me. I dont believe that only 3 or 4 were loyal to the cause of Ahle-Bayt. I am doing what the Prophet(saw) said. Christians were infact better than the hypocrites of Islam. They accepted their defeat the moment they saw the Holy Prophet(saw), Ali a.s., bibi Fatima s.a., Imam Hassan and Hussain a.s. at Mubhahila. They knew the status of these personalities. Others waged war against them and slaughtered them. Of course i will censure them.
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What i see in this thread is all history and no actual knowledge of the deen.
And the fact is whoever endulged into the history, without having the basics of the deen sorted out...went astray, and thats exactly whats happening in this thread.
The religion is not based on history, its based on the Usools derived from the Quran and the Hadith. And the Quran prohibits us from cursing any of the Sahabas and the Quran prohibits us to accuse Aisha of what she didnt do, and who ever endulges in any of these acts is a disbelievers. period
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and the Quran prohibits us to accuse Aisha of what she didnt do, and who ever endulges in any of these acts is a disbelievers. period
Allah(swt) orders all believers to unite against the 2 wives if they go against the Rasolallah(pbuh)....and revolting against the khalifah of her time is ample justification to do that
regarding her involvement in opposition against uthman and creating of fitna in the ummah there are more than enough facts about it in history books ...despite all attempts by bukhari and others to cover up the facts
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The religion is not based on history, its based on the Usools derived from the Quran and the Hadith
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Hadith IS history. What the prophet said what he did how he acted, if that isnt part of history what is?
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Seems the Prophet did a messed up job of teaching Islam for so many to be censured according to Shia beliefs...
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Umm.....it isnt a reflection on the prophet pbuh & hf but on the people around him. Was Prophet Nuh pbuh a bad prophet that after 900 years of preaching he could guide only a handful of followers? Was prophet Musa pbuh a bad prophet that when he went on the the mountain most of Bani Israel became apostates? Was prophet Isa pbuh a bad prophet that almost all of his people took him to be God's son??? (i can keep going) Comon....think
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That in itself according to Sunni beliefs is tantamount to Kufr as we believe that the Holy Prophet was the best of examples and he himself mentions that his companions are the best of the best of people and a couple of them (that Shias despise) have been specifically honoured with their mention in the Holy Quran by Allah ...
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Interesting. Now how would you handle the situation if I mention that, according to Sunni texts, and sunni AUTHENTIC texts, many companions 'despised' each other, fought each other, tortured each other, exiled each other etc etc. Thats why most sunnis (with due respect to them) avoid history. It aint pretty! Anyway, back to the point, if the companions themselves acted in this way; then why condemn us, since we are right even according to a sunni hadith (my companions are like stars, follow any one and you will find guidance - not authentic according to shias). So we are just following the example set by the companions, who didint have all that much respect for each other as u might imagine.
Please read history and hadith on your own to find the truth.
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It's nice talking about religious unity but I think the Mullah is being unrealistic, the differences are not just about political opinion anymore.
Believing or not believing in the Sahaabah has theological implications..
The Sahabah are not irrelevant to our religion today because they determine our source of religion: The Sunnah.
The Sahabah transmitted the Prophets Sunnah to us in the form of Ahadith.
Shias who don't believe in our Sahabah have their own Hadiths attributed to the Prophet and to their Imams because they dont believe our Sahabah were trustworhty enough to transmit Hadith.
It's not so much about not believing in a certain Sahabi but rather the implications of that which is rejecting the Sunnah of the Prophet.
That's why a lot of Shiah religious beliefs, rulings and practices are different from ours.
So there can be no religious unity between the sects because the sources/basis of religion are different and contradictory for both sects.
Seperate sources of religion = seperate religions.
Even if there's some similairites due to one Koran we intrpret that in accordance with our other sources and we have that much similarites with Christians and Jews as well..
I'm not saying Shiahs are wrong and Sunnis are right, I think the Mullahs of both sects need to be a little more open minded, think outside the box, outside their comfort zones and analyze their respective sects to come to the truth. For too long now we've been blinded by extreme mazhabi-khumar and dar-o-khauf.
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There is a hadees of holy prophet(peace be upon him ) that " I prayed from Allah that my ummah will not be killed by drowning in water as qauma-i-firoan , Allah accepted this , then i prayed that my ummah will not be killed by a "big" azab like previous nations , Allah accepted it , then i prayed to Allah that my ummah will be prevented from "Tafarqa" means differences , Allah not accepted this "".......
I do not the source but i have read it somewhere ...may be some reader provide us with the hadees source.
And this exactly hazrat usman(ra) said to rebillions in their last days that "O people ! do not kill me , then you will never pray in mosque togther , nor you will eat on a single table(dastar khawan) and neither your "Qasam" will be accepted"""""
And we see exactly same thing happened...........