Maududi: Truth About Jamaat-e-Islami

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just to let you know about sonador, he was harshly rebuked by salafis before he came here. he presented even worse beliefs in salafi comapny. his problem was that he learnt too much, too quick, and rejected some finer aspects of the deen. he has since changed to become more orthodox, changed ID and all that. as far as i could tell, he did learn from his experience here although he did not admit it outright

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Well the bottom line is that we been brainwashed by these so called Islamic scholars for centuries and there is no way that we can accept the fact that as humans and Muslims we have developed enough intellect that we can understand Islam by ourselves . We'll always be their slaves (seems like it) .

Their modus oper'andi is divide and rule and they been successful at it since ever . In this time and age , when we say that we have done so much research in Islam, a muslim is murdering/hating another muslim , and considering it something of sawab . We must admit that we have left the religion decades back , and now we are just part of different cults .

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I dont know him personally, his tone of communication and lack of congruence help me guess what he is, that is the trademark of Wahhabi/Salafis.

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He was a typical example of holier than thou, and this attitude is unfortunately increasing in the country. 20-30 years from now, I think the complexion of the country will change completely.

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You mean to tell me that I can have my own personal mulvi issuing fatwas making everything jaaez for me? Can I have 2 for extra credibility?

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lol :D

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^^I think he was typical example of strict Wahabi. Their method of conveying message is not impressive. Perhaps because they do not expend their time to tableegh but to Islah of their own people thus they lack communication skills used in tableegh.

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If the situation is not changed, in the future I see further polarization of the society. The religious people could adopt more and more extremist ideologies, on the other side the leftists could become further more extreme (and adopt ideologies like Atheism) in their views too. Moderation could become a thing of the past. Moderation in our views will save us otherwise we are in for a very violent ride.

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thats not what i identify as a salafi. he was obviously, for me, from a common pakistani background

i have nothing but good words to say about sonador, even if he got it all wrong, the boy is bright. and he has learnt allot, coupled with his exceptional memory. put it this way his new screen name even insinuates that he recognizes he had some wrong beliefs before. now he talks less, allot less

whilst he was here, he was asking for dawa but he had time constraints as he had identified the anti-thesis of Islam before he had learnt about Islam himself (signifies he was from barelvi background). basically the boy had seen a demon, that he thought was more powerful then Islam. he was in disarray about what to do

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Totally amused by the thread now.. how some clergymen are preferred over others for their human interpretations of the same scriptures while others who are also making these human interpretations are totally rejected. A sense of self praising inevitably follows after these acceptances and rejections as if this is real piety. Basics are totally ignored where inter faith relationships and tolerance for other interpretations is being sent out of logical arena..

The problem in our country is not if we must follow some deobandi or if a certain person is salaafi.. the basic problem is how all these human interpretations can coexist without killing each other. The competition to project one as holier than others has brought us to this pathetic situation. The solution does not lie in more religiosity.. but to ban religiosity from politics and public affairs. To follow a certain interpretation of scripture scripture should be entirely a personal matter.

Clergymen must be restricted specially when they spread hate for other interpretations.. Religious entities must be strictly scrutinized for the criminality and violence.. there should be a complete ban on madrassah school system. No sect should be allowed to make educational institutions where less than 18 year old students can study. There should be a common government approved syllabus in all the educational institutions for less than 18 year olds.. with as less religious education as possible specially with reference to hate aspect for other interpretations. The syllabus should be particularly designed to promote tolerance and inter faith harmony..

Last but not least.. all our religious minded posters are requested not to turn PA in to religious forum. They are provided with religious forum to vent out all their hate towards other human interpretations of scriptures. Please spare the PA readers from this extra dosage of religiosity.

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Problem with you is you understand less speak more.....

Yes, certain interpretation differs, but problem persists because people criticize one school of thought and conveniently ignore the other one. Controlling one side would not help.

There is no reason to impose something on religious people with secular approach.

To follow a certain interpretation of scripture already a personal matter not govt responsibility. You should refrain from exaggerations.

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Clergymen must be restricted specially when they spread hate for other interpretations.. Religious entities must be strictly scrutinized for the criminality and violence.. there should be a complete ban on madrassah school system. No sect should be allowed to make educational institutions where less than 18 year old students can study. There should be a common government approved syllabus in all the educational institutions for less than 18 year olds.. with as less religious education as possible specially with reference to hate aspect for other interpretations. The syllabus should be particularly designed to promote tolerance and inter faith harmony..

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yes, both side of pattern should be restricted specially when they spread hate for other interpretations.
It is not your responsibility to tell people where they should send their children for education to Madrasah or school. I think all Madrasah should include worldly knowledge in syllabus as few of those includes though.

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Last but not least.. all our religious minded posters are requested not to turn PA in to religious forum. They are provided with religious forum to vent out all their hate towards other human interpretations of scriptures. Please spare the PA readers from this extra dosage of religiosity.
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this thread is created by a "liberal" that exibhit the Ulema bashing trend. So I would throw other request, lets not make PA an religious people basher forum.

I cannt understand how you people conveniently ignore a subset of Pakistani Affairs when some religious people are killed in Karachi or other part of country

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Actually vast majority of killings are done by religious people in the name of God. I have never heard of secular/agnostic/atheist suicide bomber...have you?

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I have no desire to understand why one mullah is better than other. I just get amused when long posts are written in favor of one type of clergyman to show his superiority on the other.

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I cannt understand how you people conveniently ignore a subset of Pakistani Affairs when some religious people are killed in Karachi or other part of country
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I have never seen a secular minded person lacking ultra religiosity killing a mullah. Mostly one type of mullah is killing the other type and vice vera to settle their theological differences. You are absolutely right that I have never condemned the specific killing of mullahs in Karachi. I have always condemned the killing of everyone who-so-ever without identifying the identity of the corpses unlike our resident mullahs who just want to condemn the killing of mullahs from their preferred lot only. The rest of the killings can be conveniently blamed on drones, jews, indians, and qadianis..

P.S. We will continue to bash religious mindset which justifies the criminalities of religious looking people on one pretext or an other including the killing of innocent citizens here in PA forum.

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Look the point is it doesnt matter what he believes. Hes not asking for your votes, hes asking for free and fair election. He is standing against corruption. And for that reason only, we should support his stance...and appreciate his moral courage.

Because for all his faults, he is nowhere as evil or incompetent as zardari, sharif etc. But whats surprising, is that the pakistanis are alot more vocal and vitriolic about him than those criminals actually in power. What gives?

Its high time somebody stood up to the ruling royals, and if that person is qadri then he should be supported in that fight. His religious beliefs are irrelevant here and his demands are fully justified. Instead of complaining about his background, we should take the opportunity with both hands.

The situation is so bad, that you cannot afford to just sit and whinge, in hope for crumbs of mercy from the ruling parties. The system needs to change drastically, and that will only happen from grassroots power, so this may be your chance to do something, rather than sit around and complain.

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^ I think you posted in the wrong thread. This one is, or was supposed to be, about maududi's son hating on his father's party with reference to Maududi's own views of religious people. Yet, not a single post on topic!

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The video of Moududi’s son did not show he was against his father or his father’s views on religious people.

His son was against those who took over his father’s party. :chai:

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Some things that Maududi's son says:

  • JI is being controlled by people from Jamiat (presumably islami jamiat-e-talaba). He says jamiat introduced the culture of thuggery in educational institutions and wants to do the same throughout the country on the platform of JI.

  • He blames Jamiat for antagonizing Mujeeb-ur-rahman and the East pakistan leadership. He charges that they carried out atrocities in East Pakistan.

**- That they have indulged in thuggery in the name of religion.

**- That the leadership has enriched itself in the name of religion. People who came from humble backgrounds are millionaires.

*- And the bombshell: that maududi kept his own family away from JI as if it was a lethal drug. That maududi kept all his political and religious views (which he wanted the whole world to adopt) out of his house. That none of his 9 children were a part of JI.
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- *That the the worst kind of dictatorship is in religious parties. Any difference of opinion with the leader is deemed equal to apostasy. That JI is a fascist party.
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- He prays that may Allah save us from the time when these religious thugs (or any religious party) rule Pakistan.

There was also a gem in there. He says that to get justice from Pakistani courts, you need three things:
1- Umre-e-Nooh (the lifespan of Hazrat Nooh)
2- Sabr-e-Ayyub (the patience of Hazrat Ayyub)
3- Qaroon ka khazana (the treasure of Qaroon)
:D

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I beg to differ. Intolerance is disrespecting other's religious figures in public or in front of its followers, not when someone doesnt respect them by his or her heart. For instance U have all the right not to believe as well as respect Rama or Krishna, but once U start using bad language against them in public, U could be labelled intolerant. my humble views only.

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That IS the issue.