I think by that statement he meant those people who dont force their ideals down the throats of others.
Certainly preaching through guns, bombs, knives, hand grenades, disturbing unwilling people busy with something else, forcing people to shut their business to join some religious protest, or simply labeling false blasphemy accusation and attacking them as mobs comes under criminality according to my definition of criminality and is not respectable.
Preaching to** willing listeners** without offending them is perfectly respectable.
In any case what ever is your personal religious obligation is your own personal religious obligation. If you are obligated to preach Islam, you must find means without committing criminality.. and respecting other's essential liberties. Otherwise your actions will come under criminality.. without regard to your personal religious obligations..
any part of country where it is happening?
I think this statement is more than exaggeration here. Perhaps to relate religious parties with Talibanization.
any part of country where it is happening?
I think this statement is more than exaggeration here. Perhaps to relate religious parties with Talibanization.
I havent had any experience like that. But I have seen holier than thou behavior of some religious people. I have seen some groups praying after the official prayer in university mosques. And then the usual fatwas of kafir, mushriq etc. Every sect considers itself as muslims and the rest as kafirs. If you expand this we have sectarian violence and talibanization. Since some of us have already declared some people as non muslims, and then they take upon them the responsibility to eliminate them. For God's sake let Allah decide who is a muslim or not.
^^ Most probably, the very same people get Kufar fatwa label sahaba (R.A) with munafiqat. So it is also intolerance when you do not respect other’s religious figures. You agree?
^^ Most probably, the very same people get Kufar fatwa label sahaba (R.A) with munafiqat. So it is also intolerance when you do not respect other’s religious figures. You agree?
I do not agree with fatwas (of Kafirs, Munafiqs, Mushriqs etc), doesnt matter from where they come. Humans shouldnt take the responsibilities of Allah.
^^ Most probably, the very same people get Kufar fatwa label sahaba (R.A) with munafiqat. So it is also intolerance when you do not respect other’s religious figures. You agree?
I am not justifying Kufar fatwas. But do you think that those who label sahaba (R.A) with munafiqat are tolerant?
I am not justifying Kufar fatwas. But do you think that those who label sahaba (R.A) with munafiqat are tolerant?
Have I said that any where? Did you see post #25?
I dont think we can judge the Sahaba (RA) and Ummehat ul momineen (RA), and on the other side I'd be cautious in labeling others as Kafirs and Mushriqs etc. That is Allah's domain and he is the better judge.
I do not agree with fatwas (of Kafirs, Munafiqs, Mushriqs etc), doesnt matter from where they come. Humans shouldnt take the responsibilities of Allah.
salam ali
please talk to someone balanced like psyah, about fatwas
you have very weak knowledge of Islam. stop saying that you will not accept certain beliefs (afaik this preconditioning is also kufr) because you have given your loyalty to other people or ideollogies. give your loyalty to Allah SWT
please talk to someone balanced like psyah, about fatwas
you have very weak knowledge of Islam. stop saying that you will not accept certain beliefs (afaik this preconditioning is also kufr) because you have given your loyalty to other people or ideollogies. give your loyalty to Allah SWT
Thanks for your offer but I am not really interested in this fatwa business. My weak knowledge in Islam is better than knowledgeable people using it for killing people.
There is major problem with religious groups taking political or pseudo political stances ... I associate and support the Deobandi-Hanafi movement in matters of fiqh and I believe they have amongst the most learned scholars in the Hanafi groups worldwide ... However, some of the not so educated ones are dabbling with politics ... Jamat-i-Islami may have many Deobandis but it is wrong to assume that Jamat-i-Islami is the same as all the Deobandis.
I agree with the Maududi Junior Sahib that JI are thugs ... but that is about the only thing I guess I would agree with him about, in the absence of knowing anything else about him ... he should be protected from thuggery and he should be given compensation for his mental torture ... JI should disband or restructure to have pragmatists non-scholars in the politics - and seek out the best Deobandi scholars for advice. They need to adopt some Tablighis to soften them up - or take on one of the traditional tariqahs ...
As far as his father is concerned I accept many things but not all things and consider his non-traditional background led to the deficiency in the manner he spoke and commented ... often making things too basic and drawing too many parallels with average joes like me ... I would like to think that Prophet (SAW), Sahabah, Tab'een up to this level are much better than average people and we don't get that sort of impression from the Maulana's writings ...
There is major problem with religious groups taking political or pseudo political stances ... I associate and support the Deobandi-Hanafi movement in matters of fiqh and I believe they have amongst the most learned scholars in the Hanafi groups worldwide ... However, some of the not so educated ones are dabbling with politics ... Jamat-i-Islami may have many Deobandis but it is wrong to assume that Jamat-i-Islami is the same as all the Deobandis.
I agree with the Maududi Junior Sahib that JI are thugs ... but that is about the only thing I guess I would agree with him about, in the absence of knowing anything else about him ... he should be protected from thuggery and he should be given compensation for his mental torture ... JI should disband or restructure to have pragmatists non-scholars in the politics - and seek out the best Deobandi scholars for advice. They need to adopt some Tablighis to soften them up - or take on one of the traditional tariqahs ...
As far as his father is concerned I accept many things but not all things and consider his non-traditional background led to the deficiency in the manner he spoke and commented ... often making things too basic and drawing too many parallels with average joes like me ... I would like to think that Prophet (SAW), Sahabah, Tab'een up to this level are much better than average people and we don't get that sort of impression from the Maulana's writings ...
As far as I know Jamaat e Islami is Wahhabi, not deobandi.
Teachings of Maulana Maududi means his work for attracting people towards the Qur'an, building character of people, dispelling multi-faceted confusion and his fight against all fronts using pen. Yes, one can disagree with him.
p.s, I dont think anyone take Maulana Maududi's literature as matter of Fiqh.
As far as I know Jamaat e Islami is Wahhabi, not deobandi.
Well I know many Deobandis are part of it and people often link it with other Deobandis groups ... The founder himself is not really traditional (like a Salafi precursor) in that sense but from what I have seen and I may be mistaken that they are probably Hanafi with Salafi like tendencies but to call them Wahabis is not exactly right either. But since they are political we may both be right ... and they might invite people with similar political motives - they are more associated to the Ikhwani groups than the Wahabi groups ... back in the middle east which is why I don't really feel they resemble the Wahabis.
Well I know many Deobandis are part of it and people often link it with other Deobandis groups ... The founder himself is not really traditional (like a Salafi precursor) in that sense but from what I have seen and I may be mistaken that they are probably Hanafi with Salafi like tendencies but to call them Wahabis is not exactly right either. But since they are political we may both be right ... and they might invite people with similar political motives - they are more associated to the Ikhwani groups than the Wahabi groups ... back in the middle east which is why I don't really feel they resemble the Wahabis.
The higher command as such does not follow any school of thought. But Jamaat e Islami as a political party has its doors open for every one.
Thanks for your offer but I am not really interested in this fatwa business. My weak knowledge in Islam is better than knowledgeable people using it for killing people.
That sentence is a gem, Ali Syed.
As Iqbal said:
deen e mullah, fi sabeelillah fasad
Thanks for your offer but I am not really interested in this fatwa business. My weak knowledge in Islam is better than knowledgeable people using it for killing people.
it wasnt an offer, because it required you to do the leg work. more of a request really. however you do have an element of my support (goodwill). i havent taken any of the given, or to be issued, intended, or unintended insults to heart. even the most basic of comments you are making about religion and Islam are way off the mark. basically all these egging you on have an agenda and its anti islamic. so thread carefully, for your islamic well-being
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every nation in the world has a military policy, Islam certainly has one too. basically what you are left with is supporting rival military policies/agendas
now if you are going to support alternative militaries then of course the knowledgeable, or the oppressed believers will have to fight you with what theyve got, guts and dua. however this religiously gained motivation to fight is not inferior to the powerful, organised, well equipped militaries of the world that you support or have supported for killing people
JI is a biggest fitna in Pakistan and in Islam particularly. With the exception of very few people, this is the party of worse hypocrites than Abdullah Bin Ubai, which Holy Quraan has vehemently condemned him.
JI was against creation of Pakistan like JUI (Hind), NAP of Abdul Ghaffar Khan, and Congress (Maulana Abul Kalam Azaad). After creation of Pakistan this party became champion of Pakistan and Islam, played b-team for army dictators and played a very dirty role in Pakistani politics, lied in text books of history of Pakistan misguiding youth and center of jehadi culture in Pakistan, instrumental in dividing people due to secretarial orientation, encouraged killing Muslims on secretarial basis.
it wasnt an offer, because it required you to do the leg work. more of a request really. however you do have an element of my support (goodwill). i havent taken any of the given, or to be issued, intended, or unintended insults to heart. even the most basic of comments you are making about religion and Islam are way off the mark. basically all these egging you on have an agenda and its anti islamic. so thread carefully, for your islamic well-being
Please do share my anti Islamic egging.
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every nation in the world has a military policy, Islam certainly has one too. basically what you are left with is supporting rival military policies/agendas
now if you are going to support alternative militaries then of course the knowledgeable, or the oppressed believers will have to fight you with what theyve got, guts and dua. however this religiously gained motivation to fight is not inferior to the powerful, organised, well equipped militaries of the world that you support or have supported for killing people
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I do not support NATO forces actions in Afghanistan (or any country in the world), I do not support the way Pakistani army has fought the war in terror or inside balochistan. But on the other hand I do not support the actions of some misguided people using Islam as a tool to carry out sectarian as well as other subversive activities.
Disassociating your self with ulema will make one go away from Islam, so it is basicaly hatred for islam that is depicted here.
When one can not argue with scholars on religious grounds as he dont have that knowledge so they resort to such tactics.Every group has share of good people and bad people so why not look/follow practical scholars.
Are you a practicsing muslims/hindu/christian? i believe not :)
It is for your own benefit and responsibility to learn your deen regardless of what religious people do.
You never read what I wrote isn't it . And in your small talibanized / molanized mind you already thought that I am a kafir . . . isn't it .
Buddy its time we get rid of these jahil molvies and try to learn RELIGION that Prophet brought . . . not the one that these so called scholars carved for us and we are following them like gadhay .