Salaam,
Here’s an article I came across regarding this topic.
As with all websites related to religion approach with caution, take the good from him and reject his opinion on matters where he has erred.
Sorry I just realised the topic is about masturbation, the above post is in reply to the issue of captives raised by the Kuffaar guppies.
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
wallah, i have found you to be the most blasphamous of the people...allah's messenger had slave girls and he had intercourse with them, he even had a son from one of his slaves. and yet you call him a phycopath, and a rapist and what not. may allah save us from such evil words.
the verses i qouted above say that is it permissible to have intercourse with right hand possesions and that means slaves of war, if you do not believe in that part of quran, then that is an act of kufr, welcome to the brotherhood of kuffar...
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Yaar woh pehlay se hee Musselman nahein hai. Yeh loag na Musselmanoun mein se hein aur na Hinduoun mein se, becharey aadey rastey mein atkey huwey hein, na yahaan ke na wahaan ke. Thora sa ‘Islami’-Sufi tareeqoun se liya aur thora sa Hindu-Bhakti se aur naya mazhab bana liya.
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
you have it right, this "right" is for muslim men only.
however, all women are not slaves just because you capture a city. they have to be captured from the BATTLEFIELD.....
....and besides, if the person who is a real momin, meaning a true believer, he will not be a tyrant or a rapist for the woman, he will be nice and respect her, and he will treat her kindly and she will not feel any force from him. so it can not be described as rape...
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Thandy Saab - I'd like to understand this a little better, so please explain:
1) Your second para suggests consensual sex, right ? i.e there is no force and the honourable momin and the captured slave or non-slave both agree to have it , yeah ?
2) What if the captured woman is married ? Do the rules change ? What would the honourable momin explain to captured women's husband ?
3) What if the honurable momin had a wife and 2.4 kids back home - should he tell his wife ? What would he say to her ? Had he committed adultary ?
4) What if the captured woman was a moslem ? Would the right honourable momin have to excercise the appropriate punishment for 'sex with a stranger' to the woman afterwards ?
The questions may seem tongue in cheek but they are serious. Since you have chosen to interpret scripture in a certain way - then explain the consequences. Please do not evade them by saying 'its OK b'cos it says so...we're not required to think...'
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*Originally posted by Risky: *
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Thandy Saab - I'd like to understand this a little better, so please explain:
1) Your second para suggests consensual sex, right ? i.e there is no force and the honourable momin and the captured slave or non-slave both agree to have it , yeah ?
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well she is a slave who fought against the armies of islam so if she agrees and surrenders to her fate, then ok, otherwise she is slave of the soldier she was given to by the leader of the forces
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2) What if the captured woman is married ? Do the rules change ? What would the honourable momin explain to captured women's husband ?
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if she is married, her marriage with her husband is broken, and she is no longer married, however if she is pregenant, then the muslim has to wait until she delivers
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3) What if the honurable momin had a wife and 2.4 kids back home - should he tell his wife ? What would he say to her ? Had he committed adultary ?
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he would tell her that he got a prisoner of war and that is not adultry, and her wife has to accept that,
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4) What if the captured woman was a moslem ? Would the right honourable momin have to excercise the appropriate punishment for 'sex with a stranger' to the woman afterwards ?
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a muslim can not be fighting against muslims in a non muslim's army, any how, if she is forced to fight against muslims agaisnt her will, she can not be taken captive and she is free...
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The questions may seem tongue in cheek but they are serious. Since you have chosen to interpret scripture in a certain way - then explain the consequences. Please do not evade them by saying 'its OK b'cos it says so...we're not required to think...'
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now you accuse me of interpreting the quran in certain way when i am just following how the prophet and his companions interpreted it, have fear of allah and do not let the kuffar dictate how you feel about your religion. some muslims even look down upon polygamy under the influence of west and forget that their own prophet had 9 wives...
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
wallah, i have found you to be the most blasphamous of the people...allah's messenger had slave girls and he had intercourse with them, he even had a son from one of his slaves. and yet you call him a phycopath, and a rapist and what not. may allah save us from such evil words.
the verses i qouted above say that is it permissible to have intercourse with right hand possesions and that means slaves of war, if you do not believe in that part of quran, then that is an act of kufr, welcome to the brotherhood of kuffar...
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which islam do u follow? this is all news to me. not very islamic- like i might add. plus now if a woman captures a slave and have sex with him, is that jaiz too? afterall men and women are equal in the eyes of God, no?
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*Originally posted by suroor_ca02: *
which islam do u follow? this is all news to me. not very islamic- like i might add. plus now if a woman captures a slave and have sex with him, is that jaiz too? afterall men and women are equal in the eyes of God, no?
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hmm...so if something is news to you, it is not part of islam?
you have an avatar of drinks and then you lecture ppl on islam. i qoute from quran and ppl are having it hard to believe that it is islam. well come out of the pathetic desi psuedo islam that is 1/3 islam 1/3 hinduism and the other third whims and desires of people. i m not an alim so dont ask me questions and expect me to answer them on the spot. but i do know that what ever i have said has been accepted by ulemas of muslims, so i am not coming up with this stuff out of my mind. i dont know what is the ruling on women capturing slaves, but what i did know about the permissibility of having slaves and prisoners of war i said, i dont have anything else to add to this subject.
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i dont have anything else to add to this subject.
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thankfully.
This is so confusing.
I didn't know that.
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
hmm...so if something is news to you, it is not part of islam?
you have an avatar of drinks and then you lecture ppl on islam. \
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now how wud u know those are drinks and not just grape juice bottle up there? n when did i give a lecture on islam?
Question :
In Ar-Raheeo Al Makhtum (The Sealed Nectar) the author says in the section called "The Prophet Household" that the Prophet (S.A.W.) had four concubines
1. Why is it that having concubines is not haram?
2. Can other muslims have concubines?.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Allaah is Most Wise in the laws that He decrees for His slaves, but this wisdom is only apparent to those who seek it and believe that Allaah is All Wise, and looks at the interests that are served by the laws of Allaah which no man can see unless he ponders the matter, especially when there are those who attack those laws because they go against what they think are right and wise.
With regard to your question about it being permissible for a master to be intimate with his slave woman, the answer is that that is because Allaah has permitted it. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)
- Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame”
[al-Mu’minoon 23:6; al-Ma’aarij 70:30]
That is subject to the condition that he has acquired her in a proper manner, and that this slave woman has not been given by her master in marriage to another man to whom she is still married. The reason why this is permitted is that this slave woman belongs to him, either because he has paid money to buy her or he has fought for the sake of Allaah (and acquired her among the war booty).
Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger. If Allaah grants victory to the mujaahid Muslims, who are offering their souls, their wealth and all their resources and everything that Allaah has given them so that the word of Allaah might prevail over the kuffaar, then these kuffaar may become slaves, unless the imam chooses to let them go or to ransom them if that serves the interests of the Muslims.
Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 3/387
Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
If it is said: If the slave is a Muslim, how can he be kept as a slave if the reason for which people may be taken as slaves is if they are kaafirs who are waging war against Allaah and His Messenger? The answer is that the basic principle which is well known to the scholars and all wise people is that a right that is already established by shar’i means cannot be superceded by rights that are established later on.
When the Muslims take prisoners of war, they are given the right to enslave them by the law of the Creator of all, and He is the All-Wise, All-Aware. If this right is established, then the slave becomes a Muslim after that, his right to be freed from slavery because of his Islam is superceded by the right of the mujaahid whose right to enslave him took effect before he was a Muslim. It is not just or fair to waive the former right because of a latter right, as is well known to all wise people.
Yes, it is good for the owner to set him free if he becomes Muslim, and Islam enjoins that and encourages it, and opens the door to doing so in many ways – he is referring to the fact that Allaah has decreed that when expiation takes the form of freeing a slave, the slave in question should be a Muslim –
Glory be to the All Wise, All Aware: “And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Knower” [al-An’aam 6:115].
“In truth” means in what He has told us; “in justice” means in His rulings.
Undoubtedly that justice includes owning slaves and other rulings that are mentioned in the Qur’aan.
Adwa’ al-Bayaan, 3/389.
With regard to Muslims owning slaves, he should be very careful to establish that those who are bought or sold now are indeed slaves, because Islam has limited the sources of slaves which were many before the coming of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and has allowed only one source, which is kaafir prisoners of war, when the kuffaar are fighting the Muslims. There is no other way in which they may be enslaved except those who are captured as a result of fighting between kaffirs and Muslims, or their children. See also questions no. 26067 and 12562 for more information.
And Allaah knows best.
Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)
Had Muslims been strong in their Imaan and had followed Islam in its entirety, the whole India would have been Muslim dominated. In fact, after the invasion of India by Muslims, all non-Muslim men **fighting **should have been killed or taken slaves for their constant rebellion and women made slaves.
I would like to remind the western minded and Indianized so called Muslims here, who are denying a rule of Allah, about what was done with Jews of Khyber after its conquest by the Muslim army in the times of Prophet :saw:
Islam does not encourage slavery but slaves may come as rewards for the great strugggle in the cause of Allah.
if not all nonmuslim men should have been killed but atleast true sharia must have been established because shariah does invite people to islam. after 1000 yrs ruling india, muslims were still a minority, i dont understand that…the moghul dynasty was the most pathetic except for i guess aurangzeb, so called islamic dynasty in the world, they only looked after their self interests and wasted public money on such useless items such as taj mahal, and other mosulems.
Coming back to the topic of the thread. Masturbation is haraam.
Praise be to Allaah.
Masturbation (for both men and women) is haraam (forbidden) in Islam based on the following evidence:
First from the Qur’aan:
Imam Shafi’i stated that masturbation is forbidden based on the following verses from the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning):
"And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts). Except from their wives or (the captives and slaves) that their right hands possess, - for them, they are free from blame. But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors." 23.5-7 Here the verses are clear in forbidding all illegal sexual acts (including masturbation) except for the wives or that their right hand possess. And whoever seeks beyond that is the transgressor.
"And let those who find not the financial means for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah enriches them of His bounty." 24.33. This verse also clearly orders whoever does not have the financial means to marry to keep himself chaste and be patient in facing temptations (including masturbation) until Allah enriches them of His bounty.
Secondly, from the sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him):
Abdullaah ibn Mas’ood said, "We were with the Prophet while we were young and had no wealth whatsoever. So Allaah’s Messenger said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power." Bukhari:5066. The hadeeth orders men who are not able to marry to fast despite the hardship encountered in doing so, and not to masturbate despite the ease with which it can be done.
There are additional evidences that can be cited to support this ruling on masturbation, but due to the limited space we will not go through them here. Allaah knows what is best and most correct.
As for curing the habit of masturbation, we recommend the following suggestions:
1) The motive to seek a cure for this problem should be solely following Allaah’s orders and fearing His punishment.
2) A permanent and quick cure from this problem lies in marriage as soon as the person is able, as shown in the Prophet’s hadeeth.
3) Keeping oneself busy with what is good for this world and the hereafter is essential in breaking this habit before it becomes second nature after which it is very difficult to rid oneself of it.
4) Lowering the gaze (from looking at forbidden things such as pictures, movies etc.) will help suppress the desire before it leads one to commit the haraam (forbidden). Allaah orders men and women to lower their gaze as shown in the following two verses and in the Prophet’s hadeeth (interpretations of the meanings):
"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allah is all-aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) ..... " 24.30-31
Allaah’s messenger said: "Do not follow a casual (unintentional) look (at forbidden things) with another look." Al-Tirmidhi 2777. This is a general instruction by the Prophet to abstain from all that may sexually excite a person because it might lead him/her to commit the haraam (forbidden).
5) Using one’s available leisure time in worshipping Allaah and increasing religious knowledge.
6) Being cautious not to develop any of the medical symptoms that may result from masturbation such as weak eyesight, weak nervous system, and/or back pain. More importantly, feeling of guilt and anxiety that can be complicated by missing obligatory prayers because of the need to shower (ghusl) after every incidence of masturbation.
7) Avoiding the illusion that some youth have that masturbation is permissible because it prevents them from committing illegal sexual acts such as fornication or even homosexuality.
8) Strengthening one’s willpower and avoiding spending time alone as recommended by the Prophet when he said "Do not spend the night alone" Ahmad 6919.
9) Following the Prophet’s aforementioned hadeeth and fast when possible, because fasting will temper one’s sexual desire and keep it under control. However, one should not overreact and swear by Allaah not to return to the act because if one does not honor one’s promise, one would be facing the consequences of not living up to one’s oath to Allaah. Also, note that medication to diminish one’s sexual desire is strictly prohibited because it might permanently affect one’s sexual ability.
10) Trying to follow the Prophet’s recommendation concerning the etiquette of getting ready for bed, such as reading well-known supplications, sleeping on the right side, and avoiding sleeping on the belly (the Prophet forbade sleeping on the belly).
11) Striving hard to be patient and chaste, because persistence will eventually, Allaah willing, lead to attaining those qualities as second nature, as the Prophet explains in the following hadeeth:
"Whoever seeks chastity Allaah will make him chaste, and whoever seeks help from none but Allaah, He will help him, and whoever is patient He will make it easy for him, and no one has ever been given anything better than patience." Bukhari:1469.
12) Repenting, asking forgiveness from Allaah, doing good deeds, and not losing hope and feeling despair are all prerequisites to curing this problem. Note that losing hope is one of the major sins punishable by Allaah.
13) Finally, Allaah is the Most Merciful and He always responds to whoever calls on Him. So, asking for Allah’s forgiveness will be accepted, by His will.
Wallahu a’lam. And Allah knows what is best and most correct.
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
if not all nonmuslim men should have been killed but atleast true sharia must have been established because shariah does invite people to islam. after 1000 yrs ruling india, muslims were still a minority, i dont understand that...the moghul dynasty was the most pathetic except for i guess aurangzeb, so called islamic dynasty in the world, they only looked after their self interests and wasted public money on such useless items such as taj mahal, and other mosulems.
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Thandymazak, how many muslims do you think (as a percentage) believe in this? Just trying to get some idea of popularity of such belief.
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
now you accuse me of interpreting the quran in certain way when i am just following how the prophet and his companions interpreted it, have fear of allah and do not let the kuffar dictate how you feel about your religion. some muslims even look down upon polygamy under the influence of west and forget that their own prophet had 9 wives...
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Thanda
This is a cop out isn't it - you didn't answer the questions. But I can see that you're not one to be easily influenced by those mischievous kuffars and westerners. So lets put it another way - lets suppose YOU capture a woman on the BATTLEFIELD. She is in your custody and you feel the urge - what would YOU do ?
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*Originally posted by laeeqkhan: *
Coming back to the topic of the thread. Masturbation is haraam.
Praise be to Allaah.
Masturbation (for both men and women) is haraam (forbidden) in Islam based on the following evidence:
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LK
Though they emphasise, chastity, modesty, marriage etc, none of the the verses and evidence you quote specifically points to masturbation - the comments after each quote are your comments, and hence your interpretations
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Thanda
This is a cop out isn't it - you didn't answer the questions. But I can see that you're not one to be easily influenced by those mischievous kuffars and westerners. So lets put it another way - lets suppose YOU capture a woman on the BATTLEFIELD. She is in your custody and you feel the urge - what would YOU do ?
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i am not in a battle field nor am i fighting a jihad, so dont ask me hypothetical questions, when i am there then i will see what is the islamic ruling on that is...also, a leader has to assign spoils of war and slaves to soldiers, you just cant pillage, it all goes thru the leader and he has to assign to whomever he wants...
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LK
Though they emphasise, chastity, modesty, marriage etc, none of the the verses and evidence you quote specifically points to masturbation - the comments after each quote are your comments, and hence your interpretations
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quran says only satisfaction through wives and slaves is allowed, now it implies that all other satisfaction modes are illegal, and masturbation comes under that catagory.