Massive layoffs in Pakistan army

Looks like peace with India is going to cost job losses for 50,000 Pakistani army folks …

http://www.reuters.com/locales/newsArticle.jsp;:408e8d09:9dc91ea235a087?type=topNews&locale=en_IN&storyID=4957241

Pakistan says to cut army by 50,000

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan will cut the size of its army by 50,000 personnel as part of a restructuring plan to save money and make its forces leaner and more “hard-hitting”, a military statement said on Tuesday.

The decision to cut the size of the army, presently slightly above half a million troops, was discussed at a high-level meeting of top military officers chaired by President General Pervez Musharraf.

“This saving is being directed to enhance the combat efficiency of the army,” said the statement, issued at the end of two days of meetings. “However, this reduction in manpower will in no case affect the fighting potential of the army.”

The statement did not say when the reduction would take place, but top military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said that it was an “ongoing” process.

The meeting also discussed the security situation, training and operational preparedness of the army in case of a threat, particularly from India, with which the country has fought three wars since gaining independence from Britain in 1947.

Although the nuclear-armed neighbours were on the brink of a fourth war in the summer of 2002, a peace process has begun and formal talks are planned in May or June.

The countries have agreed to discuss all of their disputes, including Kashmir, the trigger of two of their three wars.

Pakistan, which spends about four percent of its gross domestic product on defence, has in the past been urged by multilateral donors including the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank to cut down on its military expenditure.

Musharraf, a key ally of the United States in its “war on terror”, has promised to reform Pakistan’s economy and politics as well as crush Islamic extremism.

Pakistan's army has always been oversized due to the hostile threat from the border to the east.

There are 2 factors driving downsizing of armies across the world.

1) Reduction of threat level - with our nuclear arsenal guaranteeing a a reduction in the likelihood of invasion, the expense of so many troops is harder to justify

2) Modern technology such as UAVs allows Pakistan to be able to be able to accomplish more with fewer soldiers - as Pakistan enters the age of information warfare, you can use smaller numbers of troops in a more efficient manner and render them capable of doing the role of a larger number of troops.

I see no cause for concern in this. I'm absolutely sure the 50,000 soldier reduction will have little human impact either. It will most likely be done through encouraging soldiers to shift into jobs with the Fauji Foundation, and a sharp reduction in recruitment for a small number of year.

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Fauji Foundation is already running at a loss...

Army needs to first eliminate the system of batmen which is a leftover of British Gora sahib era. There is absolutely no need for recruting professional servants for an all volunteer army that already gives innumerable financial and material perks.

It is unconscionable.

Anyway, this is a good move to reduce troop strength.

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Army needs to first eliminate the system of batmen which is a leftover of British Gora sahib era. There is absolutely no need for recruting professional servants for an all volunteer army that already gives innumerable financial and material perks.

It is unconscionable.

Anyway, this is a good move to reduce troop strength.
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A batman is only supposed to prepare an army man's wardi and polish his boots, but you would be surprised to know what the poor guys end up doing. Chacha mamaey taye ka bhi kaam kartey hain, these poor folks.

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*Originally posted by mAd_ScIeNtIsT: *
Pakistan's army has always been oversized due to the hostile threat from the border to the east.

There are 2 factors driving downsizing of armies across the world.

1) Reduction of threat level - with our nuclear arsenal guaranteeing a a reduction in the likelihood of invasion, the expense of so many troops is harder to justify

2) Modern technology such as UAVs allows Pakistan to be able to be able to accomplish more with fewer soldiers - as Pakistan enters the age of information warfare, you can use smaller numbers of troops in a more efficient manner and render them capable of doing the role of a larger number of troops.

I see no cause for concern in this. I'm absolutely sure the 50,000 soldier reduction will have little human impact either. It will most likely be done through encouraging soldiers to shift into jobs with the Fauji Foundation, and a sharp reduction in recruitment for a small number of year.
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  • Good Move and very informed reply.

Good move! we need only smarter army only for defendind our motherland.

sure Musharraf should also make this modern in terms of BATMAN , no modern amry has this kind of human slavery. a soldier should be able to mentain himself in peace and war. wonder what happen to these officers in case of war they get so used to these BATMANs?
every officer has one batman. making it overburdened force with less fighting ablities.

This should have been on priority, or atleast next move should to get rid of this gora lagacy.

what would be India answer to this cut? will they do the same? I doubt it very much ;)

:k:… So true!

Good news - look like it’s mainly batsmen who are being let go.

Pakistan has announced plans to reduce the size of its army by 50,000 soldiers, the first cut in the nation’s 57-year history.
The army says the cuts will be in logistics and administration and will not affect fighting capacity.

The move was announced at a two-day conference of army commanders chaired by President Pervez Musharraf.

Pakistan has some 550,000 active troops and the cuts, which will save millions of dollars, take effect on 1 August.

**Observers say the cuts appear aimed at reducing the huge number of orderlies or batmen appointed to serve officers in Pakistan’s army. **

Brigadier Fayyaz Ahmed Satti told the AFP news agency: “The savings resulting from troop reduction will be used to further upgrade the fighting capability of the army”.

Brigadier Satti said the troop reduction of about 9% would not affect combat potential.

“It will rather transform the army into a more potent force, enhance its response capabilities and result in a fine balance between quality and quantity,” he said.


Looks like those who are not going to be fired are going to be re-trained for combat duty.

Under the current changes the huge number of orderlies (batmen) appointed to serve army officers will be asked to report back to their units for active service.

The Pakistani army is one of the very few in the world which to this day maintains the old colonial institution of batmen.

But these changes have raised many questions.

Lahore-based analyst and writer Khalid Ahmed believes the process through which these orderlies will be accommodated back into active service is still unclear.

"How this huge number of servicemen, who are used for household chores, will settle back into active armed service is yet to be seen.

Oaww! Poor Shah-Nawaz!

:konfused:

One of my uncles batmans! :lol:

This "reform" is bogus. The practice of keeping batmen will still continue. Only change is that from now on civilians will be hired to do the menial/slave labour instead of soldiers.

I don't see why a modern army still needs professional servants to cook/clean or provide "other entertainment" for its officers in this day and age.

Reprehensible, I say.

The british army, still has chefs and warders! But yes batmans need to go! And uniform policies need to change!

BDU’s are the best option (BATTLE DRESS UNIFROM)

http://www.survival-center.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/bdu-mil3.gif

Britain is a friggin rich nation!

So what if they have chefs. They also have a Queen.

These kinds of excesses by our Army top brass is inexcusable when many in the country cannot even get acceess to water and more than a third of the nation is dirt poor!

Why can't the begmaat do their own dishes or buy their own meat once in a while! Do they need a government paid naukar army to do that?!

I was listening to interview by ARMY man, about this. He said this willl take 2-3 years to complete and its not laying off people but not to recruit new after people retire.

Hi enforcer,
im back! whats up?

i think the orderly, batman trend isnt that bad after all. in pakistan alot of things are diff from the rest of the world. in the civil services too these days grade 17 officers get a guard and a d driver with a govt car. so i guess, an officer being provided an orderly isnt that outragous after all. they deserve it.
and someone above said they wonder what officers would do without the batman…? thats a foolish thought. the officers dont depend on the orderly that much.
besides, for those who are ready to die for Pakistan, i think there should be some special privileges.
the british army on which pattern we have our forces are better than the US pattern in every aspect. the orderly trend didnt reduce officer capability for the brits, and it hasnt for our officers either.

the unifrom of our forces is alos mch better than all other intl forces. its the british kind and its again much better and prestigeous that the US style. its fine the way it is.

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I was listening to interview by ARMY man, about this. He said this willl take 2-3 years to complete and its not laying off people but not to recruit new after people retire.
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i see...
even more strict selection procedures at ISSB i guess.

Armed forces-downsizing

Why is it happening.

Re: Armed forces-downsizing

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Why is it happening.
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To save money, modernise the military and create an effective fighting force.