someone already went off topic, see below:
No it's not. Nawaz is part of the topic.
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^ And so is the people he is marching against, so quit whining
^ And so is the people he is marching against, so quit whining
He's marching against musharraf and altaf. This is what the laaang maaaaaarch is about?
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^ Yep, and who did you think everyone is marching against?
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So, it's not about supremacy of the PCO judges and uncivil society? Good we got that little detail out of the way.
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I remember one long march which was lead by Shaheed Benazir Bhutto **during 90s. N$** was then P.M.
She crossed all baricades and reached Liaqat Bagh
Police tried to arrest her at that time at the same place
Where she was killed now
So, it's not about supremacy of the PCO judges and uncivil society? Good we got that little detail out of the way.
Altaf and Zardari along with Wali Khan are the opponents of a free judiciary in Pakistan, in case you didnt know.
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Do you remember what N,$. did with P.P.leadership when he was P.M.
He was doing his worst to maintain the cruel tradition of his god father Zia.
Presedent Zardari passed the whole perioud of his twice premiership in jail
Than a time came when both** N$** and Zardari **were in Sind jails. Zardari** all the time tried to help him and other N$ League leaders. It is a history.
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Read the full artical at daily** Jang**
Altaf and Zardari along with Wali Khan are the opponents of a free judiciary in Pakistan, in case you didnt know.
It's a petty fight between personalities. There is nothing "free" about PCO Iftikhar.
The Mughals left a beautiful heritage behind.
nawaz sharif, benazir , zardari have nothing to show.
lord help those who think pakistan will be any better under nawaz sharif.
it amazes me one yar under the PPP-MQM-ANP government and the country is literally falling aprt. .
Pakistan's collective political mindset has not moved on from the feudal, Mughal era. We are left with political parties competing for decades to be the new Mughals. Parties with a royalist mentality that put on a facade of democracy.
The Mughals ran dynastic government, with power passed from father to child, with no distinction between the public wealth of the nation and the private wealth of the rulers. They disallowed opposition to their rule.
Pakistan's political parties operate as dynasties too, with power passing from father to family (Zulfikar to Nusrat to Benazir to Zardari to Bilawal in future; and Nawaz to his brother to his nephew) . And like the Mughals, they don't distinguish between public and private wealth (only now, we call it corruption). The PPP in power has cracked down on its opponents ruthlessly for 30 years, the PML too muzzles the press and its own internal critics when it is given the chance.
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Why dont those posts get edited who brought Altaf and Musharraf into the thread?
they are also going off topic? But wait...our mod hates the people who say anything in favor of Musharraf or MQM. I get it.
Keep editing it...I will keep writing it...Ban me if you want...its better I be banned if I cannot express myself while others freely can.
Ever heard of FREE SPEECH?
You can bring in anyone in the thread you want, be it Musharraf or Zardari (your comrade even brought Osama into the discussion, no qualms with that), but calling ANY poster or poster(s) an ignorant fool will NOT be tolerated. See below:
You were warned for name calling, Musharraf or MQM has nothing to do with it. Your post was nothing more than a personal attack and had no subject matter in it. This is a discussion forum, not a vendetta forum.
Keep breaking the rules and your wish shall be granted.
Free speech does not give you the license to use obscene language, or indulge in name calling. **Try posting without name calling and provocation, no one will touch your post. **I had verbally warned you in the past too for using profane language, without issuing you an infraction or warning points, but you paid no heed:
I hope I am very clear.
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^ You gave me an infraction due to a personal attack. What you just explained is still NOT a personall attack against anyone. I said 'some ignorent fools will bring musharraf and altaf into the topic.' That is a freedom of speech...I'm not PERSONALLY calling anyone an ingorent fool and im not taking names...therefore you CANNOT give me an infraction on the basis of a 'personal attack.'
Calling someone ignorent is not a swear, its not a bad word...even politicians use it against other politicians on television. I did not say anything against someones religion or beliefs, nor did I disciminate against their race or their country...therefore its completely unjustified for you to delete my post and give me an infraction.
^ You gave me an infraction due to a personal attack. What you just explained is still NOT a personall attack against anyone. I said 'some ignorent fools will bring musharraf and altaf into the topic.' That is a freedom of speech...I'm not PERSONALLY calling anyone an ingorent fool and im not taking names...therefore you CANNOT give me an infraction on the basis of a 'personal attack.'
Freedom of speech does NOT give you the right to refer to anyone as a 'ignorant fool' over here, directly or indirectly, as I have mentioned before. I have done enough explaining, and since you have contacted or will contact the admins directly, this discussion is over as far as this thread is concerned.
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Calling someone ignorent is not a swear, its not a bad word...
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Uhuh, and what about the remaining part? Referring to people 'ignorant fool' is a personal attack and plenty of people before you have been warned. You were warned previously, verbally without points for language.
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even politicians use it against other politicians on television.
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I am sorry but what politicians say to other politicians on TV is not Gupshup policy.
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I did not say anything against someones religion or beliefs, nor did I disciminate against their race or their country...therefore its completely unjustified for you to delete my post and give me an infraction.
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Again, none of the above apply to you, you made a personal attack/insult, and GS policy here governs points for that. Now I hope enough explanation has been provided, and in future you will not get personal or use such language, and I assure you no one will edit your posts. If you still feel wronged, please feel free to contact the admin.
Detentions all over Pakistan
Zardari’s days are numbered…
Police detain protesters amid turmoil in country
P****olice baton-charged activists and manhandled dozens into vans in Karachi Thursday, as thousands defied the government in a mass protest that has thrown the country into crisis. Lawyers in black suits and opposition party activists carrying flags and punching their fists in the air marched in Pakistan’s biggest cities of Karachi and Lahore, demanding that President Asif Ali Zardari reinstate sacked judges. Organisers hope that hundreds of thousands of lawyers, opposition supporters and civil activists will join a four-day convoy on the 1,500 kilometres (940 miles) route from Karachi to Islamabad, where it is intended to arrive Monday. In the third such annual march in Pakistan, protesters want Zardari to act on a promise to reinstate judges after former military ruler Pervez Musharraf sacked around 60 of them, including the Supreme Court chief justice, in 2007. Main opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, locked in a showdown with Zardari, has urged the masses to rise up against the weak civilian government, which is struggling with a political crisis, the economic meltdown and Islamist violence. A nervous government banned all protests in Punjab, the country’s most important political heartland, and Sindh, the province including Karachi, where security forces guarded key installations amid fears of violence.
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Police have started detaining the participants of Long March at Toll Plaza, Super Highway Karachi, on Thursday. Heavy contingent of police, ranger and other law enforcement agencies is present at the Toll plaza that has been sealed off for vehicles to prevent lawyers’ long march from continuing its journey towards Hyderabad, the first stop of the rally destined at Islamabad. Police started detaining lawyers and political activists, belong to Jamaat-i-Islami, Tehreek-i-Insaf, Pakistan Muslim League(N) and other nationalist parties, attending the march when they arrived at Karachi Toll Plaza at Super Highway. Lawyers and political workers also scuffled with the law enforcers who brutally tortured the detainees. Police also baton-charged the participants of long march at some points, says a private TV channel. Former Amir JI Karachi Mairajul Huda Siddiqui, President Sindh High Court Bar Association Rashid A Rizvi and Ex-President Supreme Court Bar Association Munir A Malik are also among the detainees arrested from the Toll Plaza.
hahaha ! good cartoon on current political crisis!
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BBC Pictorial:
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It looks like Zardari is trying to find the way out now, but it looks like its too late for his regime. Time is running out…fast.
Pakistan protest begins, government looks for way out | International | Reuters
Pakistan protest begins, government looks for way out
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(Adds comments from Interior Ministry chief, Sharif spokesmen)
By Imtiaz Shah
KARACHI, March 12 (Reuters) - Hundreds of black-suited Pakistani lawyers and flag-waving opposition activists launched a cross-country protest on Thursday, as the year-old civilian coalition government scrambled for ways to avert a showdown.
The movement for an independent judiciary could destabilise President Asif Ali Zardari’s government at a time when the nuclear-armed U.S. ally faces severe problems from Islamist militants and a sinking economy.
Police detained hundreds of political activists on Wednesday, and banned public rallies. But Interior Ministry chief Rehman Malik said on Thursday the so-called “long march” that set out from the cities of Karachi and Quetta would be allowed to go ahead.
“We’ll not stop them, but if someone tries to take the law in his hand I must say in the house that he won’t be allowed,” Malik told the National Assembly.
“This is a war for power and rule and unless we get out of this sphere, such things will keep on happening.”
Opposition leader and former prime minister Nawaz Sharif has thrown his weight behind the lawyers, putting him into open confrontation with Zardari.
Infuriated by a Supreme Court ruling barring him and his brother from elected office, and by Zardari ejecting his party from power in Punjab province, Sharif has called the protest a defining moment for Pakistan.
Stoking tension in a country with a grim record of assassinations, a spokesman for Sharif said the government had “hatched a plot” to kill him.
Zardari’s spokesman dismissed that as “political gimmickry” and said the Sharif brothers had been promised full security.
Pakistan is vital to U.S. efforts to stabilise neighbouring Afghanistan and defeat al Qaeda. The United States wants Pakistan to focus on fighting militancy rather than on political power plays.
As the so-called long march got under way, a coalition partner said Zardari had agreed to two opposition demands, without giving details.
The comments by Asfandyar Wali Khan, whose Awami National Party heads a government in the North West Frontier province, raised hopes for reconciliation a day after police detained hundreds of political activists and banned rallies.
Sharif told Reuters last week his main demands were the restoration of the judge and a reversal of last month’s court ruling.
In another sign of possible compromise, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani said late on Wednesday, after meeting with army chief General Ashfaq Kayani, that the government wanted central rule in Punjab to end.
If the crisis gets out of hand, the army, which has ruled for more than half the country’s 61 years of history, could feel compelled to intervene, though analysts have little expectation that Pakistan would revert to military rule so soon.